NYC Going through a rough patch

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fskimospy

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When did law and order become fascism? Is preventing the daily looting of retail stores fascism? What about trying to halt random attacks, is that fascism?
The situation in some places is untenable, and the reaction to that will be greater police presence, check points, restrictions, curfews, and calling out the national guard to maintain order.
If the situation in NYC is untenable I can only imagine what you think of the far greater crime in your own state.

It's not untenable - NYC is a low crime city.
 

brycejones

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When did law and order become fascism? Is preventing the daily looting of retail stores fascism? What about trying to halt random attacks, is that fascism?
The situation in some places is untenable, and the reaction to that will be greater police presence, check points, restrictions, curfews, and calling out the national guard to maintain order.
I'll take dishonest posters for $200 Alex.

A: Thinks Mississippi is a great state with lower crime than NY.

Q: Who is Greenman?
 

MrSquished

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I don't see any solution until we shed the weight of these regressive red Southern and Midwestern states. There are tens of millions of green mans and they're only going to get worse not better.

We simply cannot live in a country where these states dominated by these fucking morons affect policy around the country in the more civilized States.

America is not too big to fail, it's too big to not fail
 
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fskimospy

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I'll take dishonest posters for $200 Alex.

A: Thinks Mississippi is a great state with lower crime than NY.

Q: Who is Greenman?
The violent crime rate in his own state’s cities is nearly double that of NYC. Double!

Like I’ve said, if NYC had the same crime rate as Republican run areas it would be considered a national emergency.
 
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brycejones

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The violent crime rate in his own state’s cities is nearly double that of NYC. Double!

Like I’ve said, if NYC had the same crime rate as Republican run areas it would be considered a national emergency.
It's all good behind his walls, Fuck the rest of the state.
 
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Greenman

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NYC crime index is 6, 100 is safest.
Hernando crime index is 62, 10 times safer than NYC.

Back in the world of real life, there isn't any comparison between the two city's. NYC is huge and crowded, Hernando is small with a population of some 18k spread out over a large area, and is on the way to becoming the souths version of gentrified. People with money are evacuating Memphis and moving here. There are also lots of people that have retired here because of the low cost of living. I would absolutely expect there to be a vast difference between the two.

So back on topic, 94% of city's in the U.S. are safer than NYC according to neighborhoodscout.
 

Pens1566

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Something about the math relating to total NYC population seems to be way off there. Also, the map also only indicates Manhattan.

Also, random 3rd party scoring seems a bit questionable at a quick glance.

But hey, it suits your agenda so go for it.
 
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MrSquished

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Something about the math relating to total NYC population seems to be way off there. Also, the map also only indicates Manhattan.

Also, random 3rd party scoring seems a bit questionable at a quick glance.

But hey, it suits your agenda so go for it.
But bro it's a random source one of the most ignorant posters on this board found you can't doubt the scout motherfuckers, their shit is proprietary!

I know @fskimospy told green man he was a smart guy but most of the rest of us know the guy's a fucking dipshit and extremely dishonest to go along with the stupidity and ignorance
 

fskimospy

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NYC crime index is 6, 100 is safest.
Hernando crime index is 62, 10 times safer than NYC.

Back in the world of real life, there isn't any comparison between the two city's. NYC is huge and crowded, Hernando is small with a population of some 18k spread out over a large area, and is on the way to becoming the souths version of gentrified. People with money are evacuating Memphis and moving here. There are also lots of people that have retired here because of the low cost of living. I would absolutely expect there to be a vast difference between the two.

So back on topic, 94% of city's in the U.S. are safer than NYC according to neighborhoodscout.
Ah yes, the rigorous neighborhood scout.

Now try using real crime stats. The ones from that website appear to have no relationship with any actual published data.

It also is only considering Manhattan, which is wildly wrong and an amateurish error that they should be embarrassed to include. Manhattan’s resident population is 1.6 million but on any given day the number of people in it more than doubles to around 4 million or more. So basically they are only looking at one borough and then counting all crimes committed it against only permanent residents to get their rate.

Total incompetence.
 
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Indus

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We can't even recognize trauma from bad experiences is real. The woman who saw the whole ordeal first hand doesn't want to get on the subway ever again.


Anyone wanna call her stupid and read the facts of the stats which say subway is safe to her?
 

fskimospy

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We can't even recognize trauma from bad experiences is real. The woman who saw the whole ordeal first hand doesn't want to get on the subway ever again.


Anyone wanna call her stupid and read the facts of the stats which say subway is safe to her?
Do you not understand how statistics work?
 

NWRMidnight

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NYC crime index is 6, 100 is safest.
Hernando crime index is 62, 10 times safer than NYC.

Back in the world of real life, there isn't any comparison between the two city's. NYC is huge and crowded, Hernando is small with a population of some 18k spread out over a large area, and is on the way to becoming the souths version of gentrified. People with money are evacuating Memphis and moving here. There are also lots of people that have retired here because of the low cost of living. I would absolutely expect there to be a vast difference between the two.

So back on topic, 94% of city's in the U.S. are safer than NYC according to neighborhoodscout.
Dude! how can you even remotely trust that source when it's missing data, and somehow is missing 7 million poeple in New York? There are 8.4 million people in New York city, not 1.6 million.. (edit: as fskimospy pointed out, it's using just manhatten, but considering the tourist population on any given day, also pointed out by Fskimospy, your source is a joke) Yet, Hernando seems to have all the information and the population seems pretty accurate at 18k.. So yea, pretty sure missing 80% of your population count, and not counting the tourist population on any given day, when calculating numbers will fuck up the results pretty severely, don't you think? Also not sure how they can caculate violent crimes when they state they are not reported in New York city, or manhatten, or what ever creative numbers they are using at any given time.

In short, it seems you are using a source that uses the same fucked up method as you like to use when showing "facts".. aka they are pulling numbers straight out of their asses.
 

fskimospy

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Dude! how can you even remotely trust that source when it's missing data, and somehow is missing 7 million poeple in New York? There are 8.4 million people in New York city, not 1.6 million.. (edit: as fskimospy pointed out, it's using just manhatten, but considering the tourist population on any given day, also pointed out by Fskimospy, your source is a joke) Yet, Hernando seems to have all the information and the population seems pretty accurate at 18k.. So yea, pretty sure missing 80% of your population count, and not counting the tourist population on any given day, when calculating numbers will fuck up the results pretty severely, don't you think? Also not sure how they can caculate violent crimes when they state they are not reported in New York city, or manhatten, or what ever creative numbers they are using at any given time.

In short, it seems you are using a source that uses the same fucked up method as you like to use when showing "facts".. aka they are pulling numbers straight out of their asses.
He’s trying to find a way where the crime ridden place he lives in is somehow better.

Conservatives have to grapple with the idea that the places they run have a lot more crime. They think it shouldn’t but…well…it does.

@Greenman given the higher crime rates in Republican run cities has that made you reconsider your position at all?
 

HomerJS

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You be a victim of subway crime and you'll have a different tune.

You can't pretend crime doesn't exist.

Adams and Hochul are doing this because they don't want NY to turn red.

Lee Zeldin almost turned NY red.

You can't pretend crime doesn't exist because it doesn't feed your narrative.

It's not as bad as it was in the 80s and early 90s, but it's been high for a few years.
Please tell all of us what is a strawman?
 

Indus

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People very rarely care about facts.

You're beginning to finally get it.

They've already made their decision and feeling like they're in the mental psych ward instead of NYC just reinforces their previous biased decision.

BTW I hate to say it but Bloomy was a very good mayor in comparison.
 

Moonbeam

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NYC crime index is 6, 100 is safest.
Hernando crime index is 62, 10 times safer than NYC.

Back in the world of real life, there isn't any comparison between the two city's. NYC is huge and crowded, Hernando is small with a population of some 18k spread out over a large area, and is on the way to becoming the souths version of gentrified. People with money are evacuating Memphis and moving here. There are also lots of people that have retired here because of the low cost of living. I would absolutely expect there to be a vast difference between the two.

So back on topic, 94% of city's in the U.S. are safer than NYC according to neighborhoodscout.
Just as people who own guns knowing it puts them at higher risk of being shot than if they don't have them and don't care, so too will people in NYC not care that crime is higher there than in 94% of the country. MrSquished, for example loves the amenities that NYC offers in spades despite other downsides and sees the rest of the world as full of hicks who don't know shit. Instincts and feelings matter more to most people than logic and statistics. People bundle their self respect with their life style. Few seem to realize that wherever they go their they are, that ugliness like beauty is not out there in the world but in the eye that sees it. The ugly see ugliness and the beautiful see beauty.
 

fskimospy

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Just as people who own guns knowing it puts them at higher risk of being shot than if they don't have them and don't care, so too will people in NYC not care that crime is higher there than in 94% of the country. MrSquished, for example loves the amenities that NYC offers in spades despite other downsides and sees the rest of the world as full of hicks who don't know shit. Instincts and feelings matter more to most people than logic and statistics. People bundle their self respect with their life style. Few seem to realize that wherever they go their they are, that ugliness like beauty is not out there in the world but in the eye that sees it. The ugly see ugliness and the beautiful see beauty.
Crime is not higher in NYC than in 94% of the country. His post was based off an incompetent analysis done by some rando website. As you can see here NYC does not even crack the top 50 cities for crime rate.

 

Moonbeam

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Crime is not higher in NYC than in 94% of the country. His post was based off an incompetent analysis done by some rando website. As you can see here NYC does not even crack the top 50 cities for crime rate.

What I was trying to say to Greenman is that it would not matter to MrSquished, I believe, even if the statistics were true, but I appreciate you telling me they are not. I didn't think to question them. In my opinion talk of crime rates are all about politicians trying to tell voters what wonderful jobs they are doing or how terrible the other party is doing. It's all about manipulating people with fear and I try to remember that death will follow you right into a bank vault. What I lack, again, is gratitude. Every moment, is it not a treasure with all the money in the world you cannot buy?
 

Greenman

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What I was trying to say to Greenman is that it would not matter to MrSquished, I believe, even if the statistics were true, but I appreciate you telling me they are not. I didn't think to question them. In my opinion talk of crime rates are all about politicians trying to tell voters what wonderful jobs they are doing or how terrible the other party is doing. It's all about manipulating people with fear and I try to remember that death will follow you right into a bank vault. What I lack, again, is gratitude. Every moment, is it not a treasure with all the money in the world you cannot buy?
I don't see MrSquishead's posts.
My only other comments to add to this thread are that I don't see any national guard troops wandering around here, and as per my original post, that indicates that NYC is going through a rough patch. That lead fskimospy into a defensive posture and diversionary tactics. That said, there is nothing wrong with defending your home town.