NYC Going through a rough patch

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fskimospy

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I would hope we're missing some context to that pic lol.
I would say it’s rare to see THAT many cops clustered together and there probably is some missing context. Seeing clusters of 3-5 standing around on their phones though? Commonplace.
 

pauldun170

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Seems like things are getting ugly on the subway. I know a couple of you here live there, any comment on the situation?

I work in Manhattan. I have one sister who lives in Manhattan and another who lives in Brooklyn.
I've stayed in both and have taken multiple subway lines recently as I deal through some stuff.

I have never feared for my safety and the guard hanging out in stations is performance art.
 
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pauldun170

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I would say it’s rare to see THAT many cops clustered together and there probably is some missing context. Seeing clusters of 3-5 standing around on their phones though? Commonplace.
Lol
Gotta check that instagram
 

pauldun170

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Why are you making up positions for others to hold? Nobody says crime doesn’t exist, just that it’s not a particularly big problem. If you want to see a city with a crime problem look at Republican run Oklahoma City. Their murder rate is double that of NYC. If NYC had red state crime rates the country would lose its mind.

He lost by 7 points. That is not even close.

Murders in 2023 were lower than in 2012 and not far off the pre-pandemic average. I don’t recall anyone talking about a murder problem in 2012. New York City is among the safest cities in the country.
Omg
Truth.
 
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MrSquished

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You know I've been to New York City so many times in the last 30 years. I always see people running. Definitely always near and in Parks but also kind of all over the place. On sidewalks! Now I know they've been running from crime this whole time!

I guess I just walk really fast cuz the crime never caught up to me or anyone near me.

Thank fucking God. I hate running. Much prefer bicycling.
 

Indus

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BTW it seems the cops are being told to really go after car drivers which drive without legitimate license plates.

Was driving at around 6PM this evening taking my wife grocery shopping and noticed them handcuffing some mid 20's males around with a car with no plates on the front and one of those paper number temp registration plates.. could be fakes. /shrug

I guess the TV press conference wasn't just for show..


Funny how they do nothing when you actually use 311.
 

fskimospy

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BTW it seems the cops are being told to really go after car drivers which drive without legitimate license plates.

Was driving at around 6PM this evening taking my wife grocery shopping and noticed them handcuffing some mid 20's males around with a car with no plates on the front and one of those paper number temp registration plates.. could be fakes. /shrug

I guess the TV press conference wasn't just for show..


Funny how they do nothing when you actually use 311.
They do nothing when you use 311 because most of the people you’re calling it on are cops.
 

Indus

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So a few months back I made a post where me and the wife were first hand witnesses to a fist fight due to people bumping into each other on the subway.

Since I didn't video tape and was more concerned with our safety and got out of the subway cars.. I was called a liar since NYC is all goodie and nothing bad ever happens in there.

Well.. someone else with a little less common sense than me managed to stick around and video this and this is MUCH MUCH WORSE


I'd say this forum has its head up its collective ass and is ignoring the problems. When you fail to even acknowledge first world problems, it leads to people blindly believing lies that only Trump can fix it.
 

MrSquished

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So a few months back I made a post where me and the wife were first hand witnesses to a fist fight due to people bumping into each other on the subway.

Since I didn't video tape and was more concerned with our safety and got out of the subway cars.. I was called a liar since NYC is all goodie and nothing bad ever happens in there.

Well.. someone else with a little less common sense than me managed to stick around and video this and this is MUCH MUCH WORSE


I'd say this forum has its head up its collective ass and is ignoring the problems. When you fail to even acknowledge first world problems, it leads to people blindly believing lies that only Trump can fix it.
I have personally not commented on your claims of a specific incident, but what is your point? Nobody said that there isn't crime. YOu are just making things up.

Also you sound like Trump in some of your posts lately, I mean that's not on anybody else but you.
 

Indus

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I have personally not commented on your claims of a specific incident, but what is your point? Nobody said that there isn't crime. YOu are just making things up.

Also you sound like Trump in some of your posts lately, I mean that's not on anybody else but you.

Except people like you and politicians and think tanks believe we're incarcerating our base by putting too many people in jail for no reason.

What I'm trying to tell you is the people most victimized by crime is OUR BASE! They'd like a little safety from criminals thank you very much.

How many comments are there here that Hochul's just paying lip service and doing things for show. She's actually trying to solve the problem which is a lot more than other dems are doing...



And regarding your comment about me sound like trump.. well maybe you're being exactly like Trump where any disagreement is automatically called a RINO and getting bullied into submission or getting ejected from the party like MTG's comments.

But maybe you're right and there's a major split happening between NIMBY and YIMBY liberals.. that will split the vote and likely mean a Trump win.
 
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nakedfrog

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But maybe you're right and there's a major split happening between NIMBY "can have a little fascism, as a treat" and YIMBY "prevent fascism" liberals.. that will split the vote and likely mean a Trump win.
FTFY, and maybe!
 
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iRONic

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I’d say this forum has its head up its collective ass and is ignoring the problems. When you fail to even acknowledge first world problems, it leads to people blindly believing lies that only Trump can fix it.
And you would be saying one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever seen posted in here!

JFC…
 
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But maybe you're right and there's a major split happening between NIMBY and YIMBY liberals.. that will split the vote and likely mean a Trump win.

The long tradition of assuming policy differences inside the Dem coalition somehow automatically (by magic I presume) translates into Trump support somehow continues I see.
 

MrSquished

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Except people like you and politicians and think tanks believe we're incarcerating our base by putting too many people in jail for no reason.

What I'm trying to tell you is the people most victimized by crime is OUR BASE! They'd like a little safety from criminals thank you very much.

How many comments are there here that Hochul's just paying lip service and doing things for show. She's actually trying to solve the problem which is a lot more than other dems are doing...



And regarding your comment about me sound like trump.. well maybe you're being exactly like Trump where any disagreement is automatically called a RINO and getting bullied into submission or getting ejected from the party like MTG's comments.

But maybe you're right and there's a major split happening between NIMBY and YIMBY liberals.. that will split the vote and likely mean a Trump win.
The national guard is just a show, this changes nothing. Also yes historically we have been putting way too many people in prison. That's not to say the pushback against that didn't go too far, but also nobody is addressing the underlying issues at all because Republicans would block any of it.

I have never called anyone a DINO, nor have I ever called for anyone's expulsion from the party. You are just making that up.

Feel free to quote me. Good luck!

Your words though have echoed Trump multiple times. I never said you would support him but it's never good to go there.
 

Indus

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And you would be saying one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever seen posted in here!

JFC…

That is your perogative to call my assessment stupid.. but it's not often we acknowledge problems from our own side do we? Instead we just blame 2016 on bernie bros.

I'm instead accepting and owning up that maybe we need to fix things at home with our base to secure the dem vote long term rather than let it fragment due to apathy.

Maybe I don't come across as that way but I want us to be able to solidify the Biden vote come November!

Are you assuming it's already solidified?
 

iRONic

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That is your perogative to call my assessment stupid.. but it's not often we acknowledge problems from our own side do we? Instead we just blame 2016 on bernie bros.

I'm instead accepting and owning up that maybe we need to fix things at home with our base to secure the dem vote long term rather than let it fragment due to apathy.

Maybe I don't come across as that way but I want us to be able to solidify the Biden vote come November!

Are you assuming it's already solidified?
I'm not saying it's solidified.

I’m saying just by the sheer number of threads in this form means we're not collectively ignoring shit.
 
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fskimospy

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Except people like you and politicians and think tanks believe we're incarcerating our base by putting too many people in jail for no reason.
You know the US has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world, right? You want it to go even higher!?

What we really need to do is cut prison sentences in half or less for most crimes and devote those resources to more policing, while also breaking all police unions so they can be held accountable.
What I'm trying to tell you is the people most victimized by crime is OUR BASE! They'd like a little safety from criminals thank you very much.

How many comments are there here that Hochul's just paying lip service and doing things for show. She's actually trying to solve the problem which is a lot more than other dems are doing...
The only problem Hochul is trying to solve is a PR one, as she has publicly stated.
And regarding your comment about me sound like trump.. well maybe you're being exactly like Trump where any disagreement is automatically called a RINO and getting bullied into submission or getting ejected from the party like MTG's comments.

But maybe you're right and there's a major split happening between NIMBY and YIMBY liberals.. that will split the vote and likely mean a Trump win.
NIMBYism is a bipartisan affair.
 

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FTFY, and maybe!
When did law and order become fascism? Is preventing the daily looting of retail stores fascism? What about trying to halt random attacks, is that fascism?
The situation in some places is untenable, and the reaction to that will be greater police presence, check points, restrictions, curfews, and calling out the national guard to maintain order.
 

nakedfrog

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When did law and order become fascism? Is preventing the daily looting of retail stores fascism? What about trying to halt random attacks, is that fascism?
The situation in some places is untenable, and the reaction to that will be greater police presence, check points, restrictions, curfews, and calling out the national guard to maintain order.
A vote for Trump is a vote for fascism, hope this helps :)
 

Indus

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A vote for Trump is a vote for fascism, hope this helps :)

I agree with you there,

But we have to seriously fix education in this country because a lot of the people if they don't get what they want.. they run head over heels to Trump!

I've made it plenty clear my #1 issue is healthcare and #2 is lgbt.. yet I see those people who need those 2 issues addressed the most swarming over to him.

I just don't get it.. is it because they don't feel safe or they've been brainwashed to think their phone social feed has more facts than actually researching. And I don't know how the fuck he attracts so many people that should be on our side.
 

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When did law and order become fascism? Is preventing the daily looting of retail stores fascism? What about trying to halt random attacks, is that fascism?
The situation in some places is untenable, and the reaction to that will be greater police presence, check points, restrictions, curfews, and calling out the national guard to maintain order.
You are laughably bad at trying to conflate law and order and the left saying that is fascism. You know a vote for Trump is a vote for fascism not law and order.

The 14 points of Fascism is straight Trump and MAGA. So is the article’s 10 points. from another author. It is literally Trump and MaGA so spare me your blue city crimes bring in law and order as somehow related to fascism of Trump. They are two different issues

Fascism’s 14 points of trumpolini or 10 points stated in another way