NWN2 Feed Back and Patch Discussion Thread

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: apoppin

in *that case* [with user mods] .... even the OP will come to love Oblivion ... also

I check for Oblivion content now and again. Seems to be mostly weapons, armor, and various other item additions to the game.

I haven't seen any total conversions for Oblivion yet.


Schadenfroh, those mods really do take years to complete. During those years, members of the team often lose interest and move on to other projects. Unfortunately, this means the final project is never completed.

the OOO mod is total conversion ... obscuro's ... it is basically the *same story* BUT you get the randomness of the earlier TESS games and way different GUI and leveling system.

AND six months ago when i stopped playing it there were already Expansions with way more content then ANY of the plugins.

Check out Tower of the Lich King and at least 3 other mods by the same author ... new NPCs, a Big Boss and some GREAT cells ... i think there were 4 mods by the same author ... you really need to be at least Level 50 to play thru them completely ... or cheat

... there is also Kumiko's Manor which is HUGE [many people didn't realize that one Quest leads to another and another and another and there was even a Quest for *Vampires Only*]

if you have the rig, D/L the texture mods ...
.... and companion mods with the *cool chicks* that do anything for you
:Q


well



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Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
If they'd let Avellone do all the writing they'd be better off - he wrote most of the story and characters for PS:T. For NWN2, he was relegated to writing a few of the party members - Khelgar and Sand were two of his. He had no involvement in the story, which does indeed seem like it was written by a room full of 10-year olds. And someone should've figured out that it's "I couldn't care less".

And yes, the NWN2 engine is not only dated, it's one of the worst hogs I've encountered for what it's trying to do.

thanks for the insight

it *felt* like Story by Committee

i could see Khelgar and Sand had loving attention to *detail* and they felt *real* and in STARK CONTRAST to the other Party Members ... so cliche. Even their *voices* were more professional than the other voice actor
... i think someone also tried to do something with Groebner & Neeshka but never really developed either of their storys ... they turned out to be annoying.


--it went from *Sat AM Cartoons* to attempting *Adult themes* ... which resulted in a big Jumble.
--and *influence* was just not a big deal in this game ... it only changed their final *choice* as to how you treated them ... or even used them at all
--did anyone dislike the leveling? you could just hit 'recommend' over-and-over and you'd be fine ... you needed a balanced party and could attempt things in ONE way only
--did i mention lack of *freedom*? gasp ... what is RPG if there is no illusion of freedom?

not true to the 'Spirit of RPG' --whatsoever.
:thumbsdown:

How long do we have to wait for really good content ... about a year?

 

[Whitecloak]

for someone who professes to dislike nwn2, you sure post about it a lot.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Whitecloak
for someone who professes to dislike nwn2, you sure post about it a lot.

it would have been my last post about it. ... until you mentioned me by name
:Q

did you like it?

i simply *detailed* what i didn't like ... and responded to other poster's comments

there was a LOT to dislike [imo]

 

[techwanabe]

I took a long break from NWN2 due to the inability to connect to a muiltiplayer game friends have. I did the Hamachi thing and did successfully connect to their server on their home lan on two different occasions and then after a Patch it quit connecting.

I asked weeks ago if anyone was multiplaying this game and could they connect. In that context, someone thought I was doing it for the mods, but really we just wanted to play the stock campaign that came out of the box as a mulitplay game. Seems like the game should work "out of the box" in common environments where many people have home networks. I'll I hear people talking about is port forwarding and other work arounds but we should have to be IT people to get a game to work in multiplayer mode if it is supposed to be a Mplayer game.

Any feed back?

 

[apoppin]

dp

 

[apoppin]

who know if it will ever work? ... the Publisher, Atari is a really *crap* company

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari

On May 5, 2006, Atari and Hasbro stopped Bioware and DLA from further development of premium modules and publishing near-completed premium modules for Neverwinter Nights. No reason was stated, but it was likely in anticipation of the upcoming sequel, Neverwinter Nights 2, which would lack features from these modules. They relented after community backlash.

On September 1, 2006 Atari announced that its stock faces delisting from NASDAQ since its price had fallen under $1.00.

may they return to the *Abyss*

they will do anything for a dollar

 

[shortylickens]

Sorry guys, couldnt do it.

I tried to force attack everything in the room. The portal, the statues, all that stuff. Nothing takes damage.
Black Garius is still taking tons of damage and not going down. Dont know what his problem is but I do know two things.
First: I'll be jumping back into Baldurs Gate 2 very soon, still have to finish a game with a barbarian.
Second: I will sell off my DVD of Neverwinter Nights 2 as soon as possible. Once through that game is more than enough. Twice through would be painful. And any game that needs add-on modules to be fun or even playable is NOT a good game. Its crap and the programmers should feel bad.
(Which is unlikely, since I have no doubt the game made tons of money and the companies are having lots of circle jerks and more crap will follow in the near future.)

Heck, even Oblivion was fun for a little while with just the core game and no fixes.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
Sorry guys, couldnt do it.

I tried to force attack everything in the room. The portal, the statues, all that stuff. Nothing takes damage.
Black Garius is still taking tons of damage and not going down. Dont know what his problem is but I do know two things.
First: I'll be jumping back into Baldurs Gate 2 very soon, still have to finish a game with a barbarian.
Second: I will sell off my DVD of Neverwinter Nights 2 as soon as possible. Once through that game is more than enough. Twice through would be painful. And any game that needs add-on modules to be fun or even playable is NOT a good game. Its crap and the programmers should feel bad.
(Which is unlikely, since I have no doubt the game made tons of money and the companies are having lots of circle jerks and more crap will follow in the near future.)

Heck, even Oblivion was fun for a little while with just the core game and no fixes.

QFT. I didn't even consider playing through a second time... most decent RPGs I play through at least twice: PS:T - 3 times, BG2 - 2 times, VtMB - 2 times, KotOR - 2 times, Fallout 1&2 - 3 times, Gothic 1&2 - 2 times, Deus Ex - 3 times, etc. And you're right, I'm sure they're telling themselves what a great job they did and it's circle jerks galore.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Baldurs Gate 1 remake using the NWN2 engine!!!!!!!!!!!
http://nwn2forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=535061&forum=111

typically these *complete* remakes take 3-5 years ... don't get too excited ... many of these ambitious projects never are completed.

Yeah, seriously, those projects require thousands of man hours and nobody is getting paid. It wont happen.
I waited for an ASS-load of total conversions for each installment of the Unreal Tournament series. They always get canned whenever people hear about the new version. But it always takes longer to make a homebrew mod than a full, professional game.

Am still wating on the Deus Ex remake for UT 2004.
DeusEx Redux or something I think.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
Sorry guys, couldnt do it.

I tried to force attack everything in the room. The portal, the statues, all that stuff. Nothing takes damage.
Black Garius is still taking tons of damage and not going down. Dont know what his problem is but I do know two things.
First: I'll be jumping back into Baldurs Gate 2 very soon, still have to finish a game with a barbarian.
Second: I will sell off my DVD of Neverwinter Nights 2 as soon as possible. Once through that game is more than enough. Twice through would be painful. And any game that needs add-on modules to be fun or even playable is NOT a good game. Its crap and the programmers should feel bad.
(Which is unlikely, since I have no doubt the game made tons of money and the companies are having lots of circle jerks and more crap will follow in the near future.)

Heck, even Oblivion was fun for a little while with just the core game and no fixes.

here's how to tell if it is a bug or something you are doing wrong [some characters only take damage from certain weapons or spells ... sometimes it is a bug]

bring up the console, click on each character in turn and type "dm_god"

sit back and enjoy the battle, taking care to see exactly what is happening

after you do that you will probably just 'finish' the game in god mode like i did.
[taking care to note that they can *lose* god mode at ANY point ... *More bugs* in the console]

there was a *certain satisfaction* that that Ending.

i can laugh now

but i will continue to warn unsuspecting buyers of the NWN2 *trap* ... there won't be any good mods since they probably can't or won't fix it.

i will really *laugh* when Atari goes OUT of business
:thumbsup:

i *don't think* they made money on NWN2 ... it was $25 in 5 weeks ... twice and now regularly discounted off the $50 msrp.

does anyone *know*?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: apoppin

i will really *laugh* when Atari goes OUT of business
:thumbsup:

It would bring me great joy to see that rotten publisher go down in flames, Lucas Arts and EA would be a real joy as well.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: apoppin

i will really *laugh* when Atari goes OUT of business
:thumbsup:

It would bring me great joy to see that rotten developer go down in flames, Lucas Arts and EA would be a real joy as well.

To be fair, Atari, Lucas Arts, and EA are publishers, not developers. And Atari won't actually go out of business, I believe they are actually owned by another publisher, Infogrames<?>.

And even with the bugs, NWN2 is the best RPG released in 2006, though it didn't exactly have much competition. Give Obsidian some credit here guys, they are releasing regular updates and working with the community to resolve issues and improve the game. One only has to read the developer's posts on the NWN2 forums to see this for themselves. If you don't enjoy the game now, check out the modules in about 6 months. I can safely say that there will be something to suite your tastes by then, with the large number of modules popping up daily and the many announcements of epic scale modules underway.

Something that should send a message to developers and publishers though, the number 1 game that always gets remake attempts with NWN1/2 toolsets is Baldur's Gate 1, followed closely by Pool of Radiance. Seems the classics are still popular.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: apoppin

i will really *laugh* when Atari goes OUT of business
:thumbsup:

It would bring me great joy to see that rotten developer go down in flames, Lucas Arts and EA would be a real joy as well.

To be fair, Atari, Lucas Arts, and EA are publishers, not developers. And Atari won't actually go out of business, I believe they are actually owned by another publisher, Infogrames<?>.

And even with the bugs, NWN2 is the best RPG released in 2006, though it didn't exactly have much competition. Give Obsidian some credit here guys, they are releasing regular updates and working with the community to resolve issues and improve the game. One only has to read the developer's posts on the NWN2 forums to see this for themselves. If you don't enjoy the game now, check out the modules in about 6 months. I can safely say that there will be something to suite your tastes by then, with the large number of modules popping up daily and the many announcements of epic scale modules underway.

Something that should send a message to developers and publishers though, the number 1 game that always gets remake attempts with NWN1/2 toolsets is Baldur's Gate 1, followed closely by Pool of Radiance. Seems the classics are still popular.

isn't NWN2 the *only* D&D RPG released by a major studio in 06?

i have kept up with the forums ... they have 1.03 which is crap and beta 1.04 which breaks *more stuff* ... i think they have a SKELETON CREW working on it ...

1.03.840 is the last official patch ... it's been over a month since they had *anything*

i just don't have ANY "faith" like you do ...
and i will remind you again .... mid-June

expect this thread *resurrected*
:evil:



and *yes*, Infogames owns Atari's name
i didn't say otherwise ... atari IS a publisher ... i blame them for NWN2

i am hoping enough {fairly heaped} mud causes the Atari name to got back where it left off ... dead.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Whitecloak
for someone who professes to dislike nwn2, you sure post about it a lot.

it would have been my last post about it. ... until you mentioned me by name
:Q

did you like it?

i simply *detailed* what i didn't like ... and responded to other poster's comments

there was a LOT to dislike [imo]

look at it this way... apoppin dislikes NWN2 as much as the AT community at large thinks halo is an overrated FPS series

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Whitecloak
for someone who professes to dislike nwn2, you sure post about it a lot.

it would have been my last post about it. ... until you mentioned me by name
:Q

did you like it?

i simply *detailed* what i didn't like ... and responded to other poster's comments

there was a LOT to dislike [imo]

look at it this way... apoppin dislikes NWN2 as much as the AT community at large thinks halo is an overrated FPS series

you are totally UNfair

i detailed what i don't like and you failed to say what you DO like about NWN2

care to take up the *challenge* ?

well ...

was Halo completely buggy and unfinished when it was released --like NWN2?
--i never played it

take a look at atari's *Support Page* for NWN2 ... it is a single page --after months

http://www.atari.com/us/support/newfaq/...rowser=1&osType=WINXP&pageDisplay=MAIN

they are *insane*
:thumbsdown:

i see they took down the Promised *critical rebuild* page

i bet they drop all support for it

 

[networkman]

This past weekend I tossed my NWN2 game package into the fireplace. It was that bad. I gave up trying to complete the game. Being instructed by tech support people on how to cheat to get past the bugs.. that's just too much.

I suppose I could've put it on eBay and got some sucker to buy it, but I didn't want to inflict the same kind of experience I'd had on anyone else. :frown:

 

[apoppin]

i found this:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/755/755231p1.html

better than i thought

Number 19 out of the Top 20 selling PC games for December

wonder how it is for January?

still *waiting* to hear from *anyone* that likes NWN2 [right now ... not possible future modules] ...
What did you like about it?


what makes NWN2 a *good* game that would make you *recommend* it to a friend?

even the Doom3 'people' could explain it for me so i understood

*you* keep ragging on me like i am *missing something* or that i have a *senseless crusade* against it ... please fill me in ... perhaps i don't understand RPG or somehow my expectations were too high.

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: apoppin
still *waiting* to hear from *anyone* that likes NWN2 [right now ... not possible future modules] ...
What did you like about it?


what makes NWN2 a *good* game that would make you *recommend* it to a friend?

even the Doom3 'people' could explain it for me so i understood

*you* keep ragging on me like i am *missing something* or that i have a *senseless crusade* against it ... please fill me in ... perhaps i don't understand RPG or somehow my expectations were too high.

I'm with you. I have no idea why people would like this game. Even ignoring the instability, it's just not worth the money.

 

[Bateluer]

First off, I've never had to to cheat in NWN2 to get past anything, and the game has been quite stable for me. I think I've experienced 1 crash to the desktop the entire time I've been playing it, and that was during version 1.01.

The 1.03.840 patch was released in Dec, and 1.04.xxx will be released in January, following Obsidian's plan of a patch a month. Currently, the 1.04 is in beta, so there are people reporting bugs with it. Thats why betas exist, so bugs can be found more effectively, and eliminated.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i found this:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/755/755231p1.html

better than i thought

Number 19 out of the Top 20 selling PC games for December

wonder how it is for January?

still *waiting* to hear from *anyone* that likes NWN2 [right now ... not possible future modules] ...
What did you like about it?


what makes NWN2 a *good* game that would make you *recommend* it to a friend?

even the Doom3 'people' could explain it for me so i understood

*you* keep ragging on me like i am *missing something* or that i have a *senseless crusade* against it ... please fill me in ... perhaps i don't understand RPG or somehow my expectations were too high.

WoW is still #2????

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
First off, I've never had to to cheat in NWN2 to get past anything, and the game has been quite stable for me. I think I've experienced 1 crash to the desktop the entire time I've been playing it, and that was during version 1.01.

The 1.03.840 patch was released in Dec, and 1.04.xxx will be released in January, following Obsidian's plan of a patch a month. Currently, the 1.04 is in beta, so there are people reporting bugs with it. Thats why betas exist, so bugs can be found more effectively, and eliminated.

i know, i know ... Dec 1st to Jan 31st is 2 months

a few people evidently haven't experienced major issues ... like yourself

that is NOT what i was asking

*what makes NWN2 a "good" game?*

[please don't mention the *user fixes* ... again]

what makes *anyone* like NWN2? [other than lack of RPG choice in '06]
why would you recommend it - to a friend?

i have asked this about 6 or 7 times and every time i just get the *NWN2 Fan Dance* ....
:music::camera::gift::sun::moon::lips::wine::beer::heart::brokenheart::music:

entertaining ... at first

 

[rajasekharan]

I bought nwn 2 yesterday . . Will be playing from tomorrow on wards . . My entire collection is -diablo (all),elder scrolls 3,4. NWN (all expansion )and BG (all). Thats all i play . I liked nwn a lot . I usually like slow paced games . fps are not my piece of cake. The only one i liked was thief series .

 

[rajasekharan]

I just play games for fun . . I am no serious gamer . And its ok if the game crashes too . Well i am still playing diablo 2 lod,kind of nice feeling you get from them. May be thats just me . Will tell you about nwn2 in a week .

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i found this:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/755/755231p1.html

better than i thought

Number 19 out of the Top 20 selling PC games for December

wonder how it is for January?

still *waiting* to hear from *anyone* that likes NWN2 [right now ... not possible future modules] ...
What did you like about it?


what makes NWN2 a *good* game that would make you *recommend* it to a friend?

even the Doom3 'people' could explain it for me so i understood

*you* keep ragging on me like i am *missing something* or that i have a *senseless crusade* against it ... please fill me in ... perhaps i don't understand RPG or somehow my expectations were too high.

compared to the travesty that was the NWN1 OC, the NWN2 OC was much more interesting. First off, the party system, though flawed in NWN2, is infinitely better than playing solo with 1 henchman who has 5 lines of spoken dialog for the entire duration of the game. At least with the party, you have a variation of voices, characters, and alignments to jumble things up a bit. Because of the party, combat is 100x more interesting, although without complete control of my party and a formation system, it will never be as exciting as BG2.

Second, the story in NWN2 is infinitely better. I hardly paid attention to NWN1's because of the lack of spoken dialog. It's far more interesting to hear the giant story about some mystical (whatever) than to read a giant paragraph on it. Especially when I can just hit "1" and continue on with the game. I know what happened in NWN1, and I thought it was pretty lame. HOTU was much better, and NWN2 better than HOTU IMO (I will say the KoS battle was not nearly as climactic as it should have been, and the ending.. sweet jesus, worst ending evar!).

I can't remember what I was going to write for #3... I'll edit if I think of anything more

 

[apoppin]

OK ... you aren't saying you *didn't really* like it ... but it is better than *other* RPGs ...

you seem to be saying that you enjoyed the *spoken story* [which i also found 'interesting' - *in places*] and the party combat [which IS the 'hook' in D&D fighting games, for some people ... the almost infinite control of minute details]. i acknowledged these +pluses+ but was derailed by the unevenness of *everything* ... the deep flaws i listed

i never played BG2 ... but what did you think of KotOR series? ... for example ... i played both games ... and in many ways they are 'similar' ... i just feel KotOR *executes superbly* for a RPG but NWN2 *ultimately fails* for me.

and you are not encouraging me to pick up NWN whatsoever