Nvidia ready to counter AMD`s Mantle

[Cloudfire777]

Because OpenGL is hardly used on the PC, and developers rarely consider an additional rendering path with so many to deal with already.

But because SteamOS is just coming to the market, and SteamOS works exclusively with OpenGL, as far as I'm aware, this is news that is just now relevant, even if AMD hadn't mentioned Mantle.

Because Carmack writes all his engines for OpenGL, this is especially important to him.

Will be interesting to see how fast Nvidia can establish a solid OpenGL foundation on future games.

If this is a way to counter Mantle, they will undoubtly spend a lot of cash and resources on it. They are already heavily involved with a lot of developers, so they have connections to make it happen. Plus the 300 people team they announced today will make the ball roll. I just knew Nvidia had something up their sleeves

 

[DiogoDX]

This is based on what exactly?

Just other day Camark said that he is not working with mantle. Now he knows mantle performance compared with nvidia ogl work.

 

[Anarchist420]

Good that openGL is picking up steam, no pun intended.

and that's because nothing beats extensions because dx's attempts at uniformity and minimum specs have always missed the mark... perfect uniformity is not possible and dx never seemed to realize that.

as for carmack and opengl... he has always seemed like someone who would like opengl because it is actually rewarding for experienced programmers to program for, it gives the programmers more control (look at the DX11 pipeline, it really sucks), and isn't a load of "me too" bs.

anyway, if there is one thing i hope that opengl doesn't pick up in the future is minimum specs but even if it does they won't be as stressed as microsoft's bullsh**... nv's new gameworks program can be used in place of minimum specs. and radically parallel compute architectures are the future.

 

[Stuka87]

Lets not forget AMD already posted about big OpenGL improvements a while back:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2346433

 

[bystander36]

Good that openGL is picking up steam, no pun intended.

as for carmack and opengl... he has always seemed like someone who would like opengl because it is actually rewarding for experienced programmers to program for, it gives the programmers more control (look at the DX11 pipeline, it really sucks), and isn't a load of "me too" bs.

nothing beats extensions because dx's attempts at uniformity and minimum specs have always missed the mark... perfect uniformity is not possible and dx never seemed to realize that.

if there is one thing i hope that opengl doesn't pick up in the future is minimum specs but even if it does they won't be as stressed as microsoft's bullsh**... nv's new gameworks program can be used in place of minimum specs. and radically parallel compute architectures are the future.

John Carmack started on OpenGL before DX or DX was any good. He never changed, but has mentioned that if he were to start over, he'd definitely go with DX as he feels it is better than OpenGL. Though with SteamOS, I doubt he'd repeat that today (this was earlier this year or last year when he said he'd choose DX over OpenGL).

The downside of DX isn't the API, it is that it is for Windows Only.

 

[SirPauly]

Was curious about Flex:

Nvidia announces FLEX: Unified GPU PhysX

FLEX aims to unify the various physics simulation technologies previously demonstrated by the company into one SDK. These include things like fluid simulation, solid body interaction, soft body interaction, cloth simulation and more.

The result is a single integrated SDK that 'just works', allowing for easy creation of complex physical interactions such as solid objects floating in water and crashing into each other, or water pouring across a cloth. Perhaps the best example, though, is a water balloon. The single SDK can be used to create a bouncing ball of water that can be popped and pierced - producing a spurt of water.

Tony Tamasi, Nvidia SVP for Content and Technology, described how the new technology was particularly exciting because it allowed for the creation of realistic fluid filled bodies that explode or spurt blood when you shoot them - gruesome but impressive

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwa...=Feed:+bit-tech/news+(bit-tech.net+News+Feed)

 

[Imouto]

Who cares about Carmack anymore? He's the Michael Jordan of game developers. Looks like he's in the Washington phase right now.

 

[Grooveriding]

Who cares about Carmack anymore? He's the Michael Jordan of game developers. Looks like he's in the Washington phase right now.

Good one.

I have a pallet of extra plush seating pillows on order from Amazon for all in need of one for the upcoming 290X launch and Mantle API launch in Battlefield 4. In the interest of better spine health.

 

[gorobei]

carmack isnt even working on games anymore, its all occulus rift and armadillo rockets(though he's stopped funding this now). its unlikely he knows what performance dice has gotten with mantle. most likely he is saying that there are some extensions that can help with drawcall overhead in the same way that mantle will, but he isnt saying it is equivalent in performance.

nv dev page on nv OGL extensions [Hasnt been updated since 2008]
https://developer.nvidia.com/nvidia-opengl-specs

NVIDIA OpenGL Extensions Specifications Contents
Rendering Extensions

* ARB_color_buffer_float
* ARB_depth_texture
* ARB_draw_buffers
* ARB_fragment program
* ARB_fragment program_shadow
* ARB_half_float_pixel
* ARB_multisample
* ARB_occlusion_query
* ARB_pixel_buffer_object
* ARB_point_parameters
* ARB_point_parameters
* ARB_shadow
* ARB_texture_border_clamp
* ARB_texture_compression
* ARB_texture_compression_bptc
* ARB_texture_cube_map
* ARB_texture_env_add
* ARB_texture_env_combine
* ARB_texture_env_dot3
* ARB_texture_float
* ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat
* ARB_texture_non_power_of_two
* ARB_texture_rectangle
* ARB_transpose_matrix
* ARB_vertex buffer_object
* ARB_vertex program
* ARB_window_pos

* ATI_draw_buffers
* ATI_texture_float
* ATI_texture_mirror_once

* EXT_abgr
* EXT_bindable_uniform
* EXT_bgra
* EXT_blend_color
* EXT_blend_equation_separate
* EXT_blend_func_separate
* EXT_blend_minmax
* EXT_blend_subtract
* EXT_draw_buffers2
* EXT_draw_instanced
* EXT_clip_volume_hint
* EXT_compiled_vertex_array
* EXT_depth_bounds_test
* EXT_draw_range_elements
* EXT_fog_coord
* EXT_framebuffer_blit
* EXT_framebuffer_multisample
* EXT_framebuffer_object
* EXT_framebuffer_sRGB
* EXT_geometry_shader4
* EXT_gpu_program_parameters
* EXT_gpu_shader4
* EXT_multi_draw_arrays
* EXT_packed_float
* EXT_packed_pixels
* EXT_paletted_texture
* EXT_pixel_buffer_object
* EXT_point_parameters
* EXT_rescale_normal
* EXT_secondary_color
* GL_EXT_separate_shader_objects
* EXT_separate_specular_color
* EXT_shader_image_load_store
* EXT_shadow_funcs
* EXT_shared_texture_palette
* EXT_stencil_clear_tag
* EXT_stencil_wrap
* EXT_stencil_two_side
* EXT_texture_array
* EXT_texture_buffer_object
* EXT_texture_compression_latc
* EXT_texture_compression_rgtc
* EXT_texture_compression_s3tc
* EXT_texture_cube_map
* EXT_texture_edge_clamp
* EXT_texture_env_add
* EXT_texture_env_combine
* EXT_texture_env_dot3
* EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic
* EXT_texture_integer
* EXT_texture_lod_bias
* EXT_texture_mirror_clamp
* EXT_texture_object
* EXT_texture_shared_exponent
* EXT_texture_sRGB
* EXT_texture_swizzle
* EXT_texture3D
* EXT_timer_query
* EXT_vertex_array
* EXT_vertex_attrib_64bit
* EXT_vertex_weighting

* HP occlusion test

* IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat
* IBM_rasterpos_clip

* NV_bindless_texture New!
* NV_blend_square
* NV conditional_render
* NV_copy_depth_to_color
* NV_copy_image.txt
* NV_depth_buffer_float
* NV depth clamp
* NV_evaluators
* NV_fence
* NV_fog_distance
* NV_float_buffer
* NV_fragment_program
* NV_fragment_program2
* NV_fragment_program4
* NV_fragment_program_option
* NV_framebuffer_multisample_coverage
* NV_half_float
* NV_geometry_program4
* NV_geometry_shader4
* NV_gpu_program4
* NV_gpu_program5
* NV_gpu_shader5
* NV_light_max_exponent
* NV_multisample_filter_hint
* NV occlusion query
* NV_packed_depth_stencil
* NV_parameter_buffer_object
* NV_pixel data range
* NV_point_sprite
* NV_primitive_restart
* NV_register_combiners
* NV_register_combiners2
* NV_shader_atomic_float New!
* NV_shader_buffer_load
* NV_shader_buffer_store
* NV_tessellation_program5
* NV_texgen_emboss
* NV_texgen_reflection
* NV_texture_barrier
* NV_texture_compression_vtc
* NV_texture_env_combine4
* NV_texture_expand_normal
* NV_texture_multisample
* NV_texture_rectangle
* NV_texture_shader
* NV_texture_shader2
* NV texture_shader3
* NV_transform_feedback
* NV_vertex_array_range
* NV_vertex_array_range2
* NV_vertex_attrib_integer_64bit
* NV_vertex_buffer_unified_memory
* NV_vertex_program
* NV vertex program1_1
* NV_vertex_program2
* NV_vertex_program2_option
* NV_vertex_program3
* NV_vertex_program4
* NVX_gpu_memory_info

* SGIS_generate_mipmap
* SGIS_texture_lod
* SGIX_depth_texture
* SGIX_shadow

* SUN_slice_accum

Windows (WGL) Extensions

* WGL_ARB_buffer_region
* WGL_ARB_create_context
* WGL_ARB_extensions_string
* WGL_ARB_pbuffer
* WGL_ARB_pixel_format
* WGL ARB render texture
* WGL ATI pixel_format_float
* WGL_EXT_extensions_string
* WGL_EXT_pbuffer
* WGL_EXT_pixel_format
* WGL_EXT_swap_control
* WGL_EXT_swap_control_tear
* WGL_NV_dx_interop
* WGL_NV_gpu_affinity
* WGL NV render depth texture
* WGL NV render texture rectangle
* WGL_NV_swap_group
* WGL_NV_video_out

X Window System (GLX) Extensions

* GLX_ARB_create_context
* GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
* GLX_NV_swap_group
* GLX_NV_video_out

 

[Will Robinson]

Good one.

I have a pallet of extra plush seating pillows on order from Amazon for all in need of one for the upcoming 290X launch and Mantle API launch in Battlefield 4. In the interest of better spine health.

Shucks Groove...always thinking of others.:wub:
Presumably you ordered those pretty green ones?

 

[tviceman]

All of this crap spewing from both AMD and Nvidia is nothing but crap until either can prove otherwise AND get industry-wide support.

Until then, I'll just wait until 20nm comes out. The perf/$ can't be any worse than what the halo cards provide right now, right??? right???

 

[BallaTheFeared]

1k mid range, 2k high end, you heard it here first.

 

[rgallant]

1k mid range, 2k high end, you heard it here first.

But with 5 games

 

[Keysplayr]

All of this crap spewing from both AMD and Nvidia is nothing but crap until either can prove otherwise AND get industry-wide support.

Until then, I'll just wait until 20nm comes out. The perf/$ can't be any worse than what the halo cards provide right now, right??? right???

/thread

 

[BallaTheFeared]

But with 5 games

Or $200 in IG credit, only you can decide!

 

[Kenmitch]

But with 5 games

....or a free shield but most people take the games.

Put up or shut up to both sides! Talk is cheap!

Guessing AMD is going first with BF4/Mantle.

 

[Firestorm007]

Good show, Nvidia! Can't wait to see what you come up with next. I guess, Mantle is a real threat, irregardless of what some people here would have you believe.

 

[KingFatty]

Looks like a win for us consumers. Nice to see.

 

[Carfax83]

The real one to watch out for is Microsoft.

Microsoft has been so lackadaisical over the years when it comes to their PC gaming supremacy which they've taken for granted, but now it's finally coming back to bite them in the ass.

But it looks like AMD's Mantle announcement and Valve's Steam OS has thrown some cold water on their sleepy asses..

Microsoft wants to bring console like API to Windows.

We’re also working with our ISV and IHV partners on future efforts, including bringing the lightweight runtime and tooling capabilities of the Xbox One Direct3D implementation to Windows, and identifying the next generation of advanced 3D graphics technologies.

If Microsoft is now committed to bringing a thinner API to Windows while still maintaining IHV compatibility, then Mantle is already dead.

 

[SirPauly]

That's a powerful message from MS!

Video of:

Nvidia Flex: Unified GPU Physx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljFUcBzYkPs

Really neat!

 

[hyrule4927]

That's a powerful message from MS!

Video of:

Nvidia Flex: Unified GPU Physx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljFUcBzYkPs

Really neat!

As one of the commenters observed, the next generation of boob physics has arrived. :biggrin:

Edit: Also, the water looks nice in large quantities, but something is very strange about the way it behaves when there are just small puddles.

 

[tviceman]

That's a powerful message from MS!

Video of:

Nvidia Flex: Unified GPU Physx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljFUcBzYkPs

Really neat!

The water balloons were neat. Imagine shooting someone in a gratuitous game and blood spills out like that and you can interact with it. Hahahahah Shadow Warrior 2 maybe?

 

[chimaxi83]

That water looks thick, almost like jelly, especially in small quantities like it was mentioned. Reminds me of Borderlands excessive fluid effects. Or am I just looking at it wrong?

 

[toyota]

I am sorry but that demo did not seem the least bit impressive to me.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

That water looks thick, almost like jelly, especially in small quantities like it was mentioned. Reminds me of Borderlands excessive fluid effects. Or am I just looking at it wrong?

Like it has too much surface tension, or the spheres they are using to simulate the liquird are too big.