Nvidia: Not Enough Money in a PS4 GPU for us to bother

[3DVagabond]

http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=quarterlyearnings

Go to the financial tables for Q4, and you will see AMD's graphics division posted operating income of $105M for 2012.

Now go to Nvidia's site, and check out their form 10-K http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=116466&p=irol-sec

They earned $884M in operating profit from GPU business during 2012.

So I was off, sorry - Nvidia just makes 8.5x what AMD does on graphics.

Actually any monies made from the Sony deal will likely go on the CPU division's bottom line.

 

[AnandThenMan]

This thread has gone in a very predictable direction.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Actually any monies made from the Sony deal will likely go on the CPU division's bottom line.

Sure, so what? My point is that Nvidia's GPU division makes ~10x the profit AMD's does. So the people proclaiming that AMD's GPU division is going to kill Nvidia is laughable at best. Nvidia knows how to make money and the right engineering decisions to maximize profit. AMD's management team is busy overclocking their 7970s and calling them "gigahertz edition" to move inventory.

 

[notty22]

^^^^^^Bazinga.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Sure, so what? My point is that Nvidia's GPU division makes ~10x the profit AMD's does. So the people proclaiming that AMD's GPU division is going to kill Nvidia is laughable at best. Nvidia knows how to make money and the right engineering decisions to maximize profit. AMD's management team is busy overclocking their 7970s and calling them "gigahertz edition" to move inventory.

Who said this.

 

[3DVagabond]

Who said this.

Even though he was responding to me, it surely wasn't me.

 

[Keysplayr]

Even though he was responding to me, it surely wasn't me.

I might be wrong, but it could be in reference to post #319 in this thread.

 

[3DVagabond]

I might be wrong, but it could be in reference to post #319 in this thread.

While I believe Will was being serious in the first part of the post, the second was surely pure sarcasm to address the post he quoted with something just as silly.

 

[Keysplayr]

At least that's the hope.

 

[badb0y]

Lonbjerk strikes again.

 

[Obsoleet]

Wait, so let me get this straight... this is the first time in history where a company DOESN'T want to make more money. Sure bro.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Think it another way.

If Nvidia was a gpu, their utilization would be 99%.

 

[itsmydamnation]

that's a really dumb analogy, which ASIC manufacture isn't using all of there resources. Nar man lets just take a break from all this chip designs and go fly a kite or something.......................

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Think it another way.

If Nvidia was a gpu, their utilization would be 99%.

If nvidia was a GPU they wouldn't care and let AMD be a GPU instead.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Such interesting and insightful posts warrant a great response from me.


This is it.

 

[Imouto]

http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=quarterlyearnings

Go to the financial tables for Q4, and you will see AMD's graphics division posted operating income of $105M for 2012.

Now go to Nvidia's site, and check out their form 10-K http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=116466&p=irol-sec

They earned $884M in operating profit from GPU business during 2012.

So I was off, sorry - Nvidia just makes 8.5x what AMD does on graphics.

It's easier than that.

Is that why Nvidia's GeForce division makes ~10x the profit of AMD's GPU division quarter after quarter?

Not true since the WHOLE Nvidia GPU is making that money including the super high margings pro SKU Tesla and Quadro cards.

In the very same link you provided:

Our GPU business leverages our GPU technology across multiple end markets. It now comprises of four primary product lines, including GeForce for desktop and notebook PCs and Macs; Quadro for professional workstations; Tesla for high-performance servers and workstations; and NVIDIA GRID for server graphics solutions. It also includes other related products, licenses and revenue supporting the GPU business, such as memory products.

I think I can safely label you as having an agenda.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Such interesting and insightful posts warrant a great response from me.


This is it.

not my fault you said something dumb, what would be a far better analogy is,

NVidia aint no Jersey Barrier

 

[Ibra]

I stopped reading this crap from the "expert" when he said project shield was a real threat to home console gaming.

The thing about the idiots who constantly write about the gaming industry actually know crap all about the gaming industry. In fact the whole industry is full of complete tossers who used to sell baked beans or washing up liquid who now are self professed gaming industry know it alls. They got a job in this industry but they arent gamers.

Its a bit like watching your dad trying to dance to drum and bass or dub step. Its like a car crash in slow motion. Just about every gaming prediction that comes out of these ass holes mouths is wrong. It infuriates me.

Watch out we're dealing with serious analyst over here.

Nvidia does not have anything to offer to Sony for a affordable performance like AMD does and AMD's APU's are far more mature than anything that Nvidia has while also APU's are just one part of development of HSA technology for over 7-8 years compared to Tegra that was in development for 5 years...

Because it use some hardware that is not beffy or it is also used in tablets, laptops or notebooks it does not mean it will terrible or a debacle. We are talking about consoles, games on those consoles will use every possible atom they can for their games in next 3 years. On consoles the hardware does not change, no variations...

Does not have anything to offer? APU is crap without discrete GPU.

HSA? Yeah, sinistrous name and no meaning.

Sure, so what? My point is that Nvidia's GPU division makes ~10x the profit AMD's does. So the people proclaiming that AMD's GPU division is going to kill Nvidia is laughable at best. Nvidia knows how to make money and the right engineering decisions to maximize profit. AMD's management team is busy overclocking their 7970s and calling them "gigahertz edition" to move inventory.

AMD's GPU division is still profitable because game bundles. They adding them to their questionable quality GPUs and bots buying it.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

not my fault you said something dumb, what would be a far better analogy is,

NVidia aint no Jersey Barrier

Nothing dumb about what I said, Nvidia has a full plate by their own admission.

AMD's cpu is garbage, and the 7850 isn't anything special.

Do the math, either Nvidia is lying and slandering Sony but Sony doesn't want to say anything or what Nvidia is saying is true.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Sony and MS came into the store. Wanted the best there was. Then when the price got revealed. They then asked what they can get on discount

 

[itsmydamnation]

Nothing dumb about what I said, Nvidia has a full plate by their own admission.

AMD's cpu is garbage, and the 7850 isn't anything special.

Do the math, either Nvidia is lying and slandering Sony but Sony doesn't want to say anything or what Nvidia is saying is true.

and your analogy had nothing to do with what you just said, unlike mine which exactly described what you just said. NV is using their resources efficiently as they see possible, which would be the exact opposite of that barrier.

Also love the trash talk, typical of 1 eyed bigots. PS4 doesn't have a 7850, dont let the fact get in the way of being a douche or anything. Again i challenge you, you have 150watts design a better system then the PS4, do it in same ball park cost wise.

 

[NTMBK]

Does not have anything to offer? APU is crap without discrete GPU.

Please, please, enlighten us why having the same number of cores and shaders split over two dies, with separate memory pools to manage and a high-latency connection between the two, is better than what the PS4 has. Sony made the right choice.

 

[NTMBK]

Sony and MS came into the store. Wanted the best there was. Then when the price got revealed. They then asked what they can get on discount

They wanted the best, and they got it. NVidia couldn't have offered anything as well integrated and efficient as what AMD gave them.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

They wanted the best, and they got it. NVidia couldn't have offered anything as well integrated and efficient as what AMD gave them.

lol, I love how AMD won the race to the bottom against companies who didn't want to lower their bottom dollar gets translated into AMD IS THE BESTEST CONSOLES ARE AWESOME!!!!

Enjoy your PS4, I'll continue blaming them for holding back PC gaming - PS4 and it's low tech spec's aren't going to change that.

 

[NTMBK]

lol, I love how AMD won the race to the bottom against companies who didn't want to lower their bottom dollar gets translated into AMD IS THE BESTEST CONSOLES ARE AWESOME!!!!

Oh good, you can't actually disagree with what I've said so you're resorting to childish mockery. :thumbsup: