Nvidia Fermi versus radeon 5800 benchmarks out!

[PUN]

The ones in the OP?

It has only 2560x1600 4x/8x review which favors nvidia, and most gamers play at 1920x1080/1200 4x/8x.

nvidia has always been dominating in high resolution framerates. I personally game at 2560x1600 and I would love the extra mem and bandwidth of 480...but again, i'd be better off CFing 5870.

 

[happy medium]

Good Brand? They are all based on a reference card.

Sapphire, XFX, HIS, Asus are going for $370 shipped nowdays. Do you get your hardwares only from bestbuy?

Read carefully , I said "last I looked".

Sorry I didn't see the one "His" card on Newwgg thats under 400$. For the past few weeks when I looked they been between 415$ and 479$ shipped. Give me a break.

What is "spin"?

 

[RussianSensation]

Yep price/performance is the only thing but I don't see the 480 at anything less than $600.

What I am expecting: GTX470 = $399 and 480 = $499. If they price GTX 480 at $599, that will be too much of a price jump over 5870. If the price is $599 or higher, that will confirm that the yields of the parts are in dire straits.

What I wish happened: GTX 470 = $299 - $349 and GTX 480 = $399 - $449. 5870 comes down to $299 - $349.

 

[tviceman]

What I am expecting: GTX470 = $399 and 480 = $499. If they price GTX 480 at $599, that will be too much of a price jump over 5870. If the price is $599 or higher, that will confirm that the yields of the parts are in dire straits.

What I wish happened: GTX 470 = $299 - $349 and GTX 480 = $399 - $449. 5870 comes down to $299 - $349.

I agree with with your gtx470 guess, however I think the gtx480 will be $549. It's already going to be in limited supply and likely sold out on day 1, so why would they initially sell it for less than what it will go for day 1?

 

[happy medium]

1. 5870 - $380 on Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-301-_-Product

2. So now it's OK to deliver similar performance 6 months late at the same price? If NV was 6 months out of the gate and ATI just launched their cards with similar performance, would you say the same thing?
3. GTX470 is using a 500mm^2 gpu die with 320-bit memory interface vs. 334mm^2 gpu on 256-bit memory interface. Continue down this path and HD6870 may provide similar performance at half the gpu die size. This doesn't look so good for the bottom line of the company considering the manufacturing costs...or sets up GTX5x0 series on this new bloated architecture.

For me, I don't care who was out of the gate first, I didn't need the power of the 5850/5870 yet anyway. In a few months when games challenge a gtx 260/48701gb at 1920x1080 (Metro game) that may change.
I think I speak for most people except those who need to game at 1900x1080 max settings, 2500x1600 or want to play 2 1/2 year old Crysis over again.

 

[PUN]

i'd buy GTX480 at $499, upto $549 (they usually get discounted by $30-40 anyways)

 

[PUN]

For me, I don't care who was out of the gate first, I didn't need the power of the 5850/5870 yet anyway. In a few months when games challenge a gtx 260/48701gb at 1920x1080 (Metro game) that may change.
I think I speak for most people except those who game at 1900x1080 max settings, 2500x1600 or want to play 2 1/2 year old Crysis over again.

True,
I recently upgraded to 5870 (from 4890)but do not notice much framerate difference in my games.

They are Demigod, L4D2, AvP, Bioshock 2, and BC2 (BC2 framerate is much better though)...and I game at 2560x1600 everything maxed.

 

[happy medium]

True,
I recently upgraded to 5870 (from 4890)but do not notice much framerate difference in my games.

They are Demigod, L4D2, AvP, Bioshock 2, and BC2 (BC2 framerate is much better though)...and I game at 2560x1600 everything maxed.

BC2? You should easily run 70/80 fps right?

Edit: Thats a mighty nice rig you got there ,but people must realize that your one of the 3% of the country that has a system like that.
Lucky dog you.

Now if they would stop making these crappy console ports, I can see getting a better card back at Christmas time.(5850)

 

[blanketyblank]

It looks like Charlie really does have sources since this is about what he puts the 480 at in comparison to the 5870. Granted things could change by official release and he adds spin, but that wouldn't really go to show Charlie's numbers are just random guesses. His estimate on quantity has been seemingly right as well.

I'm most interested in OCing aspects of this card, but unfortunately I don't think we'll see accurate estimates of that until/if reviewers can get a retail card. Based on how NV handled the 250, I wouldn't trust any OCing numbers based off of press release samples.
If the performance is really within 15%, I'd think an OC for the 5870 could cover for it though the additional VRAM is probably what makes the biggest difference in performance.

 

[SlowSpyder]

For me, I don't care who was out of the gate first, I didn't need the power of the 5850/5870 yet anyway. In a few months when games challenge a gtx 260/48701gb at 1920x1080 (Metro game) that may change.
I think I speak for most people except those who need to game at 1900x1080 max settings, 2500x1600 or want to play 2 1/2 year old Crysis over again.

Well, need vs. want can be different for each person. But many people did want faster graphics then what was available last gen. Plenty of people are content to wait and see how the dust settles after Fermi launches.

But regardless of need vs. want, from the enthusiast perspective, it'd be a disappointing if it's not a good deal faster than the 58xx or can provide a good deal of pricing pressure. So far the early information seems to point towards Fermi doing neither, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZXhR1ibj8

Thanks, I needed a really good laugh

 

[ugaboga232]

It looks like Charlie really does have sources since this is about what he puts the 480 at in comparison to the 5870. Granted things could change by official release and he adds spin, but that wouldn't really go to show Charlie's numbers are just random guesses. His estimate on quantity has been seemingly right as well.

I'm most interested in OCing aspects of this card, but unfortunately I don't think we'll see accurate estimates of that until/if reviewers can get a retail card. Based on how NV handled the 250, I wouldn't trust any OCing numbers based off of press release samples.
If the performance is really within 15%, I'd think an OC for the 5870 could cover for it though the additional VRAM is probably what makes the biggest difference in performance.

Yea, I think most people are forgetting that Fermi will be at its clock limits while Cypress has a lot of room. Hell even the 5850 can be oc'ed to past 5870 levels easy. With easy oc's, I think 5870 will = 480.

 

[happy medium]

Yea, I think most people are forgetting that Fermi will be at its clock limits while Cypress has a lot of room. Hell even the 5850 can be oc'ed to past 5870 levels easy. With easy oc's, I think 5870 will = 480.

I must be missing a lot of good articles. Where did you get how well the gtx 480 overclocks?
Link me please.

 

[MagickMan]

Here's my guess, based on a conversation I had earlier today.

GTX470 - $449
GTX480 - $549

Nvidia feels they can charge a 10-15% premium over AMD pricing for a similar performance part. I'm ~75% sure of this.

 

[v8envy]

I'd go along with those guesses. GTX470 for mid 400s with factory OC and bling cooler models approaching $500. The GTX480 will weigh in a lot closer to $600 and $700 than $500 IMO.

ATI will probably respond by adjusting the 5850 and 5870 up a few tens of dollars to $349 and $429 MSRP. Everyone is happy, and the 5830 suddenly finds a proper price/performance niche.

 

[v8envy]

I must be missing a lot of good articles. Where did you get how well the gtx 480 overclocks?
Link me please.

Nobody has hard data. But if the stock card is pushing the limits of PCIe power spec then most are probably NOT going to OC very well without hard mods.

OTOH, there is reportedly quite a bit of variability in the manufactured chips (center to edge of wafer) so some lucky few could get amazingly overclockable chips (read: 30% or so) while others get furnaces barely stable at stock.

 

[cbn]

What I am expecting: GTX470 = $399 and 480 = $499. If they price GTX 480 at $599, that will be too much of a price jump over 5870. If the price is $599 or higher, that will confirm that the yields of the parts are in dire straits.

What I wish happened: GTX 470 = $299 - $349 and GTX 480 = $399 - $449. 5870 comes down to $299 - $349.

I am sure both Nvidia and ATI would love to sell their products cheaper, but with both companies using the same semi-conductor manufacturer I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon.

 

[ugaboga232]

I must be missing a lot of good articles. Where did you get how well the gtx 480 overclocks?
Link me please.

I doubt any significant amount of 470's will clock well (Why not just make them 480's)? Also, many sites point to Fermi being underclocked due to heat concerns and power.

Maybe a few will oc well, but an oc'ed 5870 should beat an oc'ed 480 pretty easily. Hell, there are quite a few 1 GHZ 5870's with radical redesigns that will trounce the 480 with no need for a 5890.

Just using logic and common sense.

 

[happy medium]

Nobody has hard data. But if the stock card is pushing the limits of PCIe power spec then most are probably NOT going to OC very well without hard mods.

OTOH, there is reportedly quite a bit of variability in the manufactured chips (center to edge of wafer) so some lucky few could get amazingly overclockable chips (read: 30% or so) while others get furnaces barely stable at stock.

I still can't find that official link to the power specs of the gtx 480?
Is everyone still guessing? or is the 280watt Charlie guess official?

Good stuff about the "center to the edge wafer" thing,but that goes for all cards doesn't it?

 

[happy medium]

I doubt any significant amount of 470's will clock well (Why not just make them 480's)? Also, many sites point to Fermi being underclocked due to heat concerns and power.

Maybe a few will oc well, but an oc'ed 5870 should beat an oc'ed 480 pretty easily. Hell, there are quite a few 1 GHZ 5870's with radical redesigns that will trounce the 480 with no need for a 5890.

Just using logic and common sense.

Common sense would tell me a card (gtx 480) that is allready 15% faster then the 5870. When you overclock the 5870 it will get at best 15% more performance.
So a 5870 overclocked will = a gtx 480 stock. Now when you overclock the gtx 480....its faster.

I think 15% is quite conservative seeing as the gtx 470 is about = to a 5870.

 

[ugaboga232]

I still can't find that official link to the power specs of the gtx 480?
Is everyone still guessing? or is the 280watt Charlie guess official?

Good stuff about the "center to the edge wafer" thing,but that goes for all cards doesn't it?

Except Nvidia is clocking these chips as high as they go. Clock speeds have gone down from original expectations (as well as shaders). Almost no 470's, and very few 480's will clock high. If you could increase the clocks on their 5,000 part halo product, don't you think they would? Also pretty sure box shots have confirmed very high watt requirement.

I mean, they could release super oc'able chips. But why? With the whole reason fermi was delayed was due to subpar clock speeds, why would they leave any headroom? Do they have any headroom to begin with?

So yea, 5870 will beat 480 for most people.

 

[ugaboga232]

Common sense would tell me a card (gtx 480) that is allready 15% faster then the 5870. When you overclock the 5870 it will get at best 15% more performance.
So a 5870 overclocked will = a gtx 480 stock. Now when you overclock the gtx 480....its faster.

I think 15% is quite conservative seeing as the gtx 470 is about = to a 5870.

It is equal at 2560 x 1600 with 8xaa. If you can afford that big of a monitor, pretty sure 5970 is in your budget.

Also, as I said before, 1 GHZ stock clocks with vastly improved cooling is coming out. You could get to 1100 easy on those. That is a 30% clock increase (850 -> 1100, I am just estimating) and the 5870 is clock starved.

Besides, as I said, the 480 will barely oc at all. And the 470 will be easily beaten by oc'ed 5850's which can oc to 5870 levels and have 98% of the performance (check around the forums for an old thread with lots on this matter).

 

[MagickMan]

Common sense would tell me a card (gtx 480) that is allready 15% faster then the 5870. When you overclock the 5870 it will get at best 15% more performance.
So a 5870 overclocked will = a gtx 480 stock. Now when you overclock the gtx 480....its faster.

I think 15% is quite conservative seeing as the gtx 470 is about = to a 5870.

If you can OC the 470/480.

 

[happy medium]

Except Nvidia is clocking these chips as high as they go. Clock speeds have gone down from original expectations (as well as shaders). Almost no 470's, and very few 480's will clock high. If you could increase the clocks on their 5,000 part halo product, don't you think they would? Also pretty sure box shots have confirmed very high watt requirement.

I mean, they could release super oc'able chips. But why? With the whole reason fermi was delayed was due to subpar clock speeds, why would they leave any headroom? Do they have any headroom to begin with?

So yea, 5870 will beat 480 for most people.

I have yet to see official clocks ,overclock statistics or why the Fermi was delayed.
This is all guess work.

I think we are all pissing in the wind to be honest.
Does anyone here really believe these benches anyway?

I mean really, if todays gtx470 benchies had the gtx beating the 5870 by 40% would you believe that?
I think we are still playing the waiting game.

 

[GaiaHunter]

How does AMD do a 5750 with no power connector? They didn't reduce clocks.
9800gt's run with no pci-e connectors and you can put them on stock clocks.

There must be something they do to reduce power without performance?
I'm no card expert.

Cherry picked chips that can run at lower voltages and/or better board components.

Common sense would tell me a card (gtx 480) that is allready 15% faster then the 5870. When you overclock the 5870 it will get at best 15% more performance.
So a 5870 overclocked will = a gtx 480 stock. Now when you overclock the gtx 480....its faster.

I think 15% is quite conservative seeing as the gtx 470 is about = to a 5870.

Phenom vs C2Q - At stocks the difference isn't that huge but once you OC, well basically you couldn't overclock the Phenom.