Those guru3d vids are nice... HAWX is particularly impressive
I guess in certain games you could get used to the bezels
I guess in certain games you could get used to the bezels
cusideabelincoln
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Would you bother going through all of this again? You'll just be accused of having a biased opinion, as so many people like to point out.
For this reason people like to read "professional" opinions, such as those found at Anandtech, Xbitlabs, Guru3D, and etc, as we operate under the assumption these reviewers try to be as objective as possible.
But you don't have to give me your opinion on 3DVision. I bet I already know what it is. On the other hand, if you gave me the equipment for 3DVision...
(I can form my own opinion).
Keysplayr
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Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln
Would you bother going through all of this again? You'll just be accused of having a biased opinion, as so many people like to point out.
For this reason people like to read "professional" opinions, such as those found at Anandtech, Xbitlabs, Guru3D, and etc, as we operate under the assumption these reviewers try to be as objective as possible.
But you don't have to give me your opinion on 3DVision. I bet I already know what it is. On the other hand, if you gave me the equipment for 3DVision...
Hmmm. Sounds like you're one of those "many people". Kudos.
And ronnn did say that an opinion without trying is worth little. Probably kicking himself for that post.
It is very difficult to convey the 3DVision experience. It is something that "is" needed to be tried. Cant show a video of it without at least the explorer glasses. Eyefinity on the other hand is easy to see. We have videos, and what you see is what you get. No amount of playing would make me forget the bezels were there. People have likened it to driving a car. Very well. Divide a windshield into thirds with 1" or 2" black vertical bars using duct tape. Yeah, that wouldn't bother me at all.
cusideabelincoln
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Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln
Would you bother going through all of this again? You'll just be accused of having a biased opinion, as so many people like to point out.
For this reason people like to read "professional" opinions, such as those found at Anandtech, Xbitlabs, Guru3D, and etc, as we operate under the assumption these reviewers try to be as objective as possible.
But you don't have to give me your opinion on 3DVision. I bet I already know what it is. On the other hand, if you gave me the equipment for 3DVision...
Hmmm. Sounds like you're one of those "many people". Kudos.
And ronnn did say that an opinion without trying is worth little. Probably kicking himself for that post.
It is very difficult to convey the 3DVision experience. It is something that "is" needed to be tried. Cant show a video of it without at least the explorer glasses. Eyefinity on the other hand is easy to see. We have videos, and what you see is what you get. No amount of playing would make me forget the bezels were there. People have likened it to driving a car. Very well. Divide a windshield into thirds with 1" or 2" black vertical bars using duct tape. Yeah, that wouldn't bother me at all.
I can put two and two together, and I believe you're already stated your opinion about 3DVision. Don't mistake me for trying to belittle your opinion. I would only do that for posters like Rollo and Wreckage, whom I don't value at all. But as far as the bezels go, we'll just have to agree to disagree; the bezels in the online videos I've seen of Eyefinity don't bother me in the 3x1 setup, but I can see how they would be more annoying in the 3x2 setup. As for 3DVision, you are right. No videos can showcase it, which is why you should give me your equipment
Living in a relatively small Midwest town and having no money sucks for a hardware enthusiast.
Cookie Monster
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Neither technology carries enough interest to me to invest in either one ATM. Eyefinity requires three monitors before it differentiates itself from any other modern video card on the market and I'm currently gaming on a 24" widescreen CRT. So I would need to replace one perfectly good gaming monitor with three LCDs in order to take advantage of it. No thanks.
And 3D Vision requires an expensive 120Hz monitor (expensive compared to 60Hz equivalents, that is) and expensive 3D glasses (expensive compared to what wireless 3D glasses could be purchased for the last time this technology was being marketed). And my 4890 isn't ready to be put to pasture quite yet, so I would need a new video card as well.
And 3D Vision requires an expensive 120Hz monitor (expensive compared to 60Hz equivalents, that is) and expensive 3D glasses (expensive compared to what wireless 3D glasses could be purchased for the last time this technology was being marketed). And my 4890 isn't ready to be put to pasture quite yet, so I would need a new video card as well.
TurtleCrusher
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Are you asking me if I think Kyle is liar? Not sure who that last comment was directed at, but perchance it was directed at me then I'll respond if it is still necessary. If it wasn't directed to me then no prob.
Re: bezel...yeah this is why I have said I want to see a demo rig setup at Best Buy (Fry's and MC would have probably have them too, if such a demo rig is going to be part of AMD's marketing campaign) with my own eyes so I can determine if it is much ado about nothing or if it really is going to be as annoying as I think it might be.
I've dual-monitored for more than a decade now and I have been staring at that bezel now for just as long, I understand with three screens the bezel gets pulled off-center at least (I think 6 screens would be just horrific in games though with that horizontal line breaking thru the middle of everything) so I can convince myself it just might be much ado about nothing. But I want to see it to solidify my opinion either way.
Barring that, the next best thing is of course testimonial evidence. Kyle, Anand, and anyone else you trust that has been able to get some face time with the gear. MarcVenice had good things to say about eyefinity after attending the London rollout event, and I have good things to say about MarcVenice so I'm inclined to trust his opinion on eyefinity when he says the bezels aren't a big deal.
AyashiKaibutsu
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They both retarded marketing gimicks to me. Eyefinity less so than the 3d glasses, but neither is remotely appealing to me. (to me being an important part of this post)
n7
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Both are pretty cool.
But as they are rather different things to compare, i'm not sure how i'd compare them.
I personally know i will likely eventually take advantage of Eyefinity as i've been a multi-monitor users for many years, so it makes sense.
nV's 3D is pretty sweet in the games it works well in, but i really am not a fan of wearing the uncomfortable insanely expensive glasses.
As i already wear glasses, it's really not something that works for me.
I also do not like the direction nV is pushing for 3D.
3D technology itself is great, but i don't like the direction nV has taken at all.
So i guess overall Eyefinity is more relevant i'd say, at least to me.
But as mentioned, they are rather different features to compare.
But as they are rather different things to compare, i'm not sure how i'd compare them.
I personally know i will likely eventually take advantage of Eyefinity as i've been a multi-monitor users for many years, so it makes sense.
nV's 3D is pretty sweet in the games it works well in, but i really am not a fan of wearing the uncomfortable insanely expensive glasses.
As i already wear glasses, it's really not something that works for me.
I also do not like the direction nV is pushing for 3D.
3D technology itself is great, but i don't like the direction nV has taken at all.
So i guess overall Eyefinity is more relevant i'd say, at least to me.
But as mentioned, they are rather different features to compare.
Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln
Would you bother going through all of this again? You'll just be accused of having a biased opinion, as so many people like to point out.
For this reason people like to read "professional" opinions, such as those found at Anandtech, Xbitlabs, Guru3D, and etc, as we operate under the assumption these reviewers try to be as objective as possible.
But you don't have to give me your opinion on 3DVision. I bet I already know what it is. On the other hand, if you gave me the equipment for 3DVision...
Hmmm. Sounds like you're one of those "many people". Kudos.
And ronnn did say that an opinion without trying is worth little. Probably kicking himself for that post.
It is very difficult to convey the 3DVision experience. It is something that "is" needed to be tried. Cant show a video of it without at least the explorer glasses. Eyefinity on the other hand is easy to see. We have videos, and what you see is what you get. No amount of playing would make me forget the bezels were there. People have likened it to driving a car. Very well. Divide a windshield into thirds with 1" or 2" black vertical bars using duct tape. Yeah, that wouldn't bother me at all.
No, why would I? I have never tried nvision and have only read reviews. The reviews seemed a little hesitant to support it, but some users here say they like it. None of the reviews talked about headaches, as I remember it - so it seems that issue has been solved from the old 3d movie days. Than not working for either company, I don't feel a need to have an opinion on everything.
Keysplayr
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Come to think of it, this thread really isn't about which we think is better. Eyefinity or 3DVision. They truly aren't comparable. It's really about which company offers a cooler technology. That's about it.
They are both cool. But they are not comparable.
They are both cool. But they are not comparable.
n7
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I would have to say not really.
Myself & various friends have tried it out, & in some situations where the sharpness at one part in the game is fine, it's just too overwhelming in the next, & gets really hard to continue w/o having to stop & adjust it, or just stop playing for a bit altogether.
Other people i know have complained of headaches, though i think it's partially due to them not knowing how to adjust the sharpness.
I have no problem saying it's pretty damn kewl when it works.
Prototype it's amazing in IMHO.
Other games like L4D, other than the characters looking like they are popping out of a cardboard scene, it just doesn't look quite right.
I just would say it has a long way to go before i'd consider it a quality final product, & i already know that for some people, at least in its current state, it will be of zero interest, no matter how cheap it gets.
This could be said for Eyefinity as well of course, as so few games support it properly, & many people hate bezels or don't see the benefit of extra gaming real estate outside their primary display.
Seriously, if you have never used the tech, why bash it? Parhelia is a gfx card Triplehead2go is an addon box that uses any gfx card. No crap your gfx card will get out of date. I have been using a Triplehead to go for 5 years, and have had minimal problems. Still works with new games, World at War, and Batman Arkum Assylum flawlessly in Windows 7. So how can you bash it? Not saying eyefinity wont be better, but that is yet to be seen, I have owned 2 ATI products and both have had bad driver support so I'm not holding my breath. And having tested 3d vision at Quakecon 09, its cool, but not for me, glasses are heavy and unless you have a massive screen like 42+ it seems useless. 3d vision works in every game, not just new games, eyefinity has to be supported up to huge resolutions. Both techs are good for different things, both add to emersion, also both have yet to be tested by the public.
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I can't see a need or real want for either myself. I'd have to give the nod towards 3d vision though. Anything to make a game more immersive, depending on the type of game. I'm a one big monitor type of person, and if monitor set ups get so wide that I have to turn my head or lose things in my peripheral vision, it's too much for me. It will be years before no bezel or a bezel thin enough to not make it irritating comes along methinks.
Seen IMAX, normal digital 3D cinema, and 3d vision (22 inch monitors).
From my testing at a lan, yes, in a small screen kind of way - you have better depth perception in both cases. The depth effect doesn't need a large screen, although larger screens are obviously nicer (with or without 3D vision) - which is a bit of a problem as the only 120hz monitors are 22 inch.
Obviously IMAX is also like extreme eye-infinity with the ultra large high res screen.
Having used it I put it down as a must have at some point, although no rush as the games aren't perfect for it yet, and to maintain 60fps in 3d needs 120fps without 3d vision which requires a very fast card (.e.g GF100).
Short term I just want the 120hz monitor - no 3d vision, just 120hz - for a serious online fps gamer that would help me win more then eye infinity or 3d vision. Waiting for those 23.6 full HD asus ones that were announced then haven't be heard of since.
(before anyone proclaims me an nvidia fan boy I'd quite happily use eye infinity too but the practicalities of fitting three 24 inch monitors into my computer room to say nothing of the cost of them and the two 5870's you'd really need to drive it make it a bit of a non starter atm).
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Both solutions have their cons and pros, but also both solutions are quite expensive. I can't stand the TN's poor color reproduction and bad angle dependency, and the only 120Hz monitors that are available are TN, so if using them with or without 3D glassess will take away your freedom of move your head, or get comfortable while playing, plus the poor color reproduction and terrible viewing angles combined with the possible flickering of the glasses, meh, I pass. (I also wear glassess)
With eyefinity, your freedom is there, you can sit everywhere and enjoy your games to the fullest, but buying 3 or more P-MVA or IPS monitors will make a huge hole in your pocket, plus I haven't seen a monitor with no bezel that's IPS or P-MVA, so both solutions are useless for me. Using TN monitors for Eyefinity will give you the same issue with viewing angles since the monitors are placed flat and you will experiment that issue with the first and third monitor (Using a 3 monitor setup). Unless if you can find a way to place them curved around your desk...
With eyefinity, your freedom is there, you can sit everywhere and enjoy your games to the fullest, but buying 3 or more P-MVA or IPS monitors will make a huge hole in your pocket, plus I haven't seen a monitor with no bezel that's IPS or P-MVA, so both solutions are useless for me. Using TN monitors for Eyefinity will give you the same issue with viewing angles since the monitors are placed flat and you will experiment that issue with the first and third monitor (Using a 3 monitor setup). Unless if you can find a way to place them curved around your desk...
solofly
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There are plenty of them, even 240Hz or higher - it's not the panel but the input: you need to be able to handle TWICE the amount of data.
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