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Norwegian Progress Party Calls Attacks Cowardly and Horrible

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Infohawk

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The Progress Party is a conservative party in Norway that supports tougher immigration laws and integration of immigrants. The perpetrator was a member of this party until 2004.

A lot of posters seem to want to link the acts of the perp with conservatism generally. Seems hard to do when the party itself is condemning the attacks

http://www.frp.no/A+National+Tragedy.d25-TMdHMZW.ips
(In English)

The horrible and cowardly attacks we`ve witnessed are contrary to the
principles and values underpinning the Norwegian society. This is an attack on
the Norwegian Government and the Labour Party`s Youth Organization, but also an
attack directed against the Norwegian democracy and our nation as such, says
Siv Jensen.
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Good for them. All European right-wing parties should make similar statements to make it clear they don't support terrorism and that violence is not part of their platform. Every group has its fanatics. Points to them for condemning this guy and not glorifying him.
 
The party's election campaign propaganda and ideology created this monster. Maybe they should adopt different ideals and drop the promotion of bigotry and genocide.

I also question whether they would even have some sort of public comment if he targeted minority groups rather than the political party that is against his genocide agenda.
 
Problem is when you spread hate you bread idiots like this. What do you expect people to do when your message is "they" are out to get your jobs, money, freedom, etc...
 
Marlin1975 said:
Problem is when you spread hate you bread idiots like this. What do you expect people to do when your message is "they" are out to get your jobs, money, freedom, etc...
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That's an absurd but very common refrain on this board. What you're saying is that wanting more restrictive immigration (in Norway, which not exactly a country of immigrants) and integration is the same as hating foreigners. It's just a garbage-hack statement as saying that Obama wanting to close loopholes means that he's a communist.

From their website:
We oppose any discrimination based on gender, religion or ethnic origin. All citizens will enjoy the same rights and protections under the Norwegian constitution, such as the right to ownership, freedom of trade, personal freedom, freedom of expression, religious freedom and freedom of assembly.
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Marlin1975 said:
Problem is when you spread hate you bread idiots like this. What do you expect people to do when your message is "they" are out to get your jobs, money, freedom, etc...
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Bullshit, what on earth do you know about internal norwegian affairs?
 
Here is a AD the party of "peace" ran...

Progress_Party_advertisement.jpg


"One version of an advertisement (on the website) of the Norwegian Progress Party used in the 2005 electoral campaign. The picture shows a person pointing a handgun towards the viewer. The caption says "The perpetrator is of foreign origin!!" with the undertitle "(Quote in the press we often read)"."


Yea thats not going to cause problems. Naaaa...



"The party in addition seeks a more restrictive immigration policy and tougher integration and law and order measures."
 
Marlin1975 said:
Yea thats not going to cause problems. Naaaa...
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I read wikipedia too. Maybe you should have included their explanation: "The party explained that it wanted to focus on the increasing crime rates among immigrants, which it claimed was a result of failed integration policies."

Sorry but I don't see how being critical of a group (right or wrong) is the same as advocating killing them. It's just a leap that doesn't really make any sense especially when the party refutes a mass-killing. I guess you would have preferred it if the party celebrated this terrorist act. That would fit more into your black and white view of conservatives, wouldn't it?
 
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CanOWorms said:
The party's election campaign propaganda and ideology created this monster. Maybe they should adopt different ideals and drop the promotion of bigotry and genocide.

I also question whether they would even have some sort of public comment if he targeted minority groups rather than the political party that is against his genocide agenda.
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Excellent points.
 
Marlin1975 said:
Problem is when you spread hate you bread idiots like this. What do you expect people to do when your message is "they" are out to get your jobs, money, freedom, etc...
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How come rich people aren't being killed left and right in this country?

There is more hatred against the rich around here than every other group put together and yet no violence directed against them. Wonder why...
 
Marlin1975 said:
Problem is when you spread hate you bread idiots like this. What do you expect people to do when your message is "they" are out to get your jobs, money, freedom, etc...
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I listened to various updates on NRP today and it turned out our perp left that political party years ago.

I don't think its fair to per say blame any political party with all their diverse views when they advance their views by the democratic political process.

My operating theory is that we are dealing with a lone nut who is mentally ill. Mentally ill paranoid schizophrenic sociopaths occur randomly all around the planet, there is no predicting what cause they will adopt, but they somehow feel self justified by resorting to the universal psychopath panacea of random extreme violence.

Now Norway has had its turn in the next lucky man barrel, so they can struggle to learn the lesson never to be found.

Learn it and live it, we can't learn anything from the stinking thinking of total nut cases.
 
Marlin1975 said:
Here is a AD the party of "peace" ran...

Progress_Party_advertisement.jpg


"One version of an advertisement (on the website) of the Norwegian Progress Party used in the 2005 electoral campaign. The picture shows a person pointing a handgun towards the viewer. The caption says "The perpetrator is of foreign origin!!" with the undertitle "(Quote in the press we often read)"."


Yea thats not going to cause problems. Naaaa...



"The party in addition seeks a more restrictive immigration policy and tougher integration and law and order measures."
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ads like this is very disturbing, and inciting violence. I totally agree they should NOT be aired. And this mass killing is just inhuman. However, I don't think a broad condemnation of all conservatives is warranted. Those who support violence or suggestive violence should STOP! but others who support their views peacefully let us not drag them into this.
 
nyker96 said:
ads like this is very disturbing, and inciting violence. I totally agree they should NOT be aired.
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It's called free speech. And no it does not incite violence. Does a picture of American troops entering an Iraqi home incite violence by Muslims against Americans? Should those all be outlawed or "not aired" too?
 
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Marlin1975 said:
Here is a AD the party of "peace" ran...

Progress_Party_advertisement.jpg


"One version of an advertisement (on the website) of the Norwegian Progress Party used in the 2005 electoral campaign. The picture shows a person pointing a handgun towards the viewer. The caption says "The perpetrator is of foreign origin!!" with the undertitle "(Quote in the press we often read)"."


Yea thats not going to cause problems. Naaaa...



"The party in addition seeks a more restrictive immigration policy and tougher integration and law and order measures."
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The political party has a lot of similar literature like that. It's a hate group.
 
Lemon law said:
Mentally ill paranoid schizophrenic sociopaths occur randomly all around the planet, there is no predicting what cause they will adopt, but they somehow feel self justified by resorting to the universal psychopath panacea of random extreme violence.
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You are smarter than Marlin1975 in that you are at least trying to think ahead and be consistent. You know very well most of Marlin's arguments could be used to criticize the Muslim world. I'm guessing Marlin won't blink twice when he argues that the religious texts of Islam have nothing to do with the amount of terrorism in the Islamic world. Or maybe I'm misreading his take on Islamic extremism. 😛
 
Infohawk said:
It's called free speech. And no it does not incite violence. Does a picture of American troops entering an Iraqi home incite violence by Muslims against Americans? Should those all be outlawed too?
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He didn't say that it should be outlawed, but that it should not be aired. Far-right European politicians should take some responsibility in their hate literature.
 
Lemon law said:
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I listened to various updates on NRP today and it turned out our perp left that political party years ago.

I don't think its fair to per say blame any political party with all their diverse views when they advance their views by the democratic political process.

My operating theory is that we are dealing with a lone nut who is mentally ill. Mentally ill paranoid schizophrenic sociopaths occur randomly all around the planet, there is no predicting what cause they will adopt, but they somehow feel self justified by resorting to the universal psychopath panacea of random extreme violence.

Now Norway has had its turn in the next lucky man barrel, so they can struggle to learn the lesson never to be found.

Learn it and live it, we can't learn anything from the stinking thinking of total nut cases.
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The Norwegians will want to characterize him as a lone nut so that they can avoid the issue of the rise of the far-right within their society. However, he is not alone, nor is this type of far-right violence far from the norm over there.
 
Infohawk said:
It's called free speech. And no it does not incite violence. Does a picture of American troops entering an Iraqi home incite violence by Muslims against Americans? Should those all be outlawed too?
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well there is certainly a fine line bet. free speech and ads that incite violence, I'd say this one with the guns drawn out pointing at the viewer clearly has the intention to incite violence. I am not the law, I don't know how a judge would interpret these ads, but this is my personal opinion, you may see if as NOT incite violence, that's your opinion.

I'm not saying some of the ads for Muslim cause is any less violent, they are. I'd say should NOT be shown either.
 
nyker96 said:
well there is certainly a fine line bet. free speech and ads that incite violence, I'd say this one with the guns drawn out pointing at the viewer clearly has the intention to incite violence. I am not the law, I don't know how a judge would interpret these ads, but this is my personal opinion, you may see if as NOT incite violence, that's your opinion.
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Yeah yeah yeah we all have different opinions. I know that already. If you're posting here you have to know that people are going to want you to back up your opinions with reasons. Honestly do you really think people have so little control overthemselves that if they see a gun pointed at them by a non-Norwegian that they're going to go out and kill immigrants? And if they did, would they really want to support a party that says it does not discriminate?
 
nCred said:
They are a hate group for pointing out the high crime rate among immigrants?
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Xenophobia against VISIBLE immigrants and labelling them as violent, uncivilised, and incapable of belonging to their own society.

Yet, that obvious and vile mantra flew over your head. Along with the reality of such ant-social messages being prevalent among many forum members here. The very same type of bigotry that the Norwegian killer also has a record of posting.

Why two threads covering the very same subject? This same tangent of conversation is already being covered in the first thread.
 
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Whiskey16 said:
:thumbsdown:

Xenophobia against VISIBLE immigrants and labelling them as violent, uncivilised, and incapable of belonging to their own society.

Yet, that obvious and vile mantra flew over your head. Along with the reality of such ant-social messages being prevalent among many forum members here. The very same type of bigotry that the Norwegian killer also has a record of posting.

Why two threads covering the very same subject? This same tangent of conversation is already being covered in the first thread.
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Can you link to where they said they were violent, uncivilised, and incapable of belonging? And even if they did say that, how does it follow that they are advocating violence against immigrants?

And I like how you have such strong feelings about what is appropriate in this forum Mr. 35-posts. Have you been here before under a different name? This thread is about the right's reaction to the event. The other thread is a general discussion and was originally a place where breaking news was discussed.
 
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