Originally posted by: ZebuluniteV
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ZebuluniteV
You quoted a dictionary.com definition of sovereignty, then rambled on about a conspiracy theory while still providing no support whatsoever. Come on, you could at least try to pass of a WorldNetDaily or Newsmax article as "evidence".
It is "obvious" indeed.
Conspiracy theory? Which part? Don't be so vague and label it all that. Be specific so a discussion can be had. Besides, you inadvertently agreed with me with your post below lol
What part? The whole thing: you've presented no evidence whatsoever for the existence of any plans for a ?North American Union?. Since you allege that plans to create a NAU do exist, and seeing the lack of evidence you are implying that it is the result of a secret plot, it is by definition a conspiracy theory:
Dictionary.com - Conspiracy theory
Conspiracy theory:
1. a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.
2. the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
When bushy boy signed this agreement with canada and mexico he gave those other countries say in what America does. Everything that we do will be in the scope of the NAU. This isn't hard to understand and I'm sure you are smart enough to see it. America will not act independently anymore. Furthered by the release of an "Amero" currency which ties us all together without the consent of the American people. It is obvious. Are you just playing devil's advocate?
Originally posted by: ZebuluniteV
You're exactly right. It's quite ironic that people like PC Surgeon fear a hypothetical NAU, when the US would be by far the dominant player. Mexico and especially Canada (presuming votes would be distributed proportionately by population) are the ones that would have any reason to fear a NAU, not that US. Together, the two have barely over a third of the US's population, so even veto power would be worthless against the US.
Consenting anyone (other countries in this case) to have a vote over anything that has to do with our laws and/or our way of living
violates the sovereignty of the United States.
Do you even know what sovereignty is? Did you read the definition? Do you not like the definition? Do you have a better one? Good luck on fighting this one, you've already damned yourself.
Okay, I guess you ?got? me on that one. I said that if a purely hypothetical NAU existed, it would presumably be set up like the EU and have all three countries have a say in decisions in the NAU. So yes, my hypothetical conception of a ?NAU? would on some level reduce the US's ability to act independently, and thus affect (reduce) its sovereignty on some level.
But that's debating my hypothetical setup of a hypothetical organization.
How about looking at my, and many other members's, main argument: that the NAU is a conspiracy theory with no basis in fact. Disagree? Then as I've said repeatedly now back up your claims with facts. Otherwise, admit you have nothing to back up your claims.
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: bbdub333
It's hopeless to argue with kids Rainsford... they adopt a rebellious viewpoint simply because nobody else accepts it, and find ways to legitimize it no matter what types of logical sacrifices they need to make.
They'll grow up eventually and realize how silly they were. Time has a way of doing that.
All of what you posted has nothing to do with the topic being discussed (actually should haave been a pm, which shows me the psychology behind your post, to get attention or accolades), didn't even bring one shred of evidence to back up your claims. As such, your post is trolling at best. Next time contribute instead of derailing off topic, there is a forum for that. Have a nice day
There is no discussion when it comes to these issues. No matter how much evidence you demand be brought to the table to refute your claims, none will be accepted by these so fervent in their beliefs. Your theories are childish, misinformed, contrary to logic, contrary to reality. I could show you a picture of a dog and you'd swear it was a cat because you don't want to believe "them". Grow up and contribute something to society other than idiotic schemes which do nothing but breed unwarranted paranoia.
Another one of your fact less posts? How long will they let you do this? Again, the psychology of your posts are most obvious. Only looking to gain favor and attention by calling people names, making yourself look better by putting others down. This is basic psychology. Please be kind, I have been to you so far. Add something to the topic or move on, this type of act is not needed. Have a nice day
As Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". You claim that the world's most powerful nation's sovereignty is going to be violated by an organization whose existence, planned or otherwise, no one has proved in the slightest...that's pretty damn extraordinary to me.