North Carolina has a North American Union hologram on the drivers license

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Rainsford

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Are you people retarded? The driver's license hologram is an image of the Earth with the US in the center. It is obviously NOT the same logo as the NAU one, as it includes other countries not part of North America and the focus of the logo is on the United States in particular, rather than the North American continent. The driver's license "logo" is an image of the Earth (which the NAU logo is not, no matter what your point of reference), are you brain surgeons honestly suggesting any image that simply contains North America is support for the NAU? There is political disagreement, and then there is mindboggling stupidity...and this is the latter. As Lewis Black would say, don't think about this too hard or "blood will shoot out your nose".
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Are you people retarded? The driver's license hologram is an image of the Earth with the US in the center. It is obviously NOT the same logo as the NAU one, as it includes other countries not part of North America and the focus of the logo is on the United States in particular, rather than the North American continent. The driver's license "logo" is an image of the Earth (which the NAU logo is not, no matter what your point of reference), are you brain surgeons honestly suggesting any image that simply contains North America is support for the NAU? There is political disagreement, and then there is mindboggling stupidity...and this is the latter. As Lewis Black would say, don't think about this too hard or "blood will shoot out your nose".

Shhhhh... mustn't distrub the patients!
 

NoStateofMind

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Whats not so funny is the United States losing its sovereignty. Another thing not so funny is the debt backed U.S. dollar is in the near future going to be replaced by a shiny new debt backed currency called the amero.
 

GeezerMan

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Let's see now, guidelines drawn up by the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, a NGO. Let's harmonize the laws

Your papers, show me your papers


Marge Howell, spokeswoman for the North Carolina DMV, affirmed to WND the state was embedding a hologram of North America on the back of its new driver's licenses.

"It's a security element that eventually will be on the back of every driver's license in North America," Howell told WND.

Howell explained the hologram of the continent was the creation of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, a tax-exempt, nonprofit organization that, according to the group's website, "develops model programs in motor vehicle administration, law enforcement and highway safety."

Founded in 1933, AAMVA represents state and provincial officials in the United States and Canada who administer and enforce motor vehicle laws. The government of Mexico is also a member, though the individual Mexican states have yet to join.

According to the group's website, AAMVA's programs are designed "to encourage uniformity and reciprocity among the states and provinces."

"The goal of the North American hologram," Howell explained, "is to get one common element that law enforcement throughout the continent can look at on all driver's licenses and tell that the driver's license is an official document."

Jason King, spokesman for AAMVA, affirmed the North American hologram was created by AAMVA's Uniform Identification Subcommittee, a working group of its members.

He explained the goal is to create a continental security device that could be used by state and provincial motor vehicles agencies throughout North America, including the U.S., Canada and Mexico.
 

GeezerMan

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Whats not so funny is the United States losing its sovereignty. Another thing not so funny is the debt backed U.S. dollar is in the near future going to be replaced by a shiny new debt backed currency called the amero.

Dollar hit a 15 year low yesterday. Good timing for the Amero
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Let's see now, guidelines drawn up by the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, a NGO. Let's harmonize the laws

Your papers, show me your papers


Marge Howell, spokeswoman for the North Carolina DMV, affirmed to WND the state was embedding a hologram of North America on the back of its new driver's licenses.

"It's a security element that eventually will be on the back of every driver's license in North America," Howell told WND.

Howell explained the hologram of the continent was the creation of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, a tax-exempt, nonprofit organization that, according to the group's website, "develops model programs in motor vehicle administration, law enforcement and highway safety."

Founded in 1933, AAMVA represents state and provincial officials in the United States and Canada who administer and enforce motor vehicle laws. The government of Mexico is also a member, though the individual Mexican states have yet to join.

According to the group's website, AAMVA's programs are designed "to encourage uniformity and reciprocity among the states and provinces."

"The goal of the North American hologram," Howell explained, "is to get one common element that law enforcement throughout the continent can look at on all driver's licenses and tell that the driver's license is an official document."

Jason King, spokesman for AAMVA, affirmed the North American hologram was created by AAMVA's Uniform Identification Subcommittee, a working group of its members.

He explained the goal is to create a continental security device that could be used by state and provincial motor vehicles agencies throughout North America, including the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

Oh no, a common hologram. What's next, barcodes on our arms :roll:

Seriously, are you people retarded? Inquiring minds want to know.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Whats not so funny is the United States losing its sovereignty. Another thing not so funny is the debt backed U.S. dollar is in the near future going to be replaced by a shiny new debt backed currency called the amero.

Yeah, we heard you people the first 11 thousand times you said that. But the real question is, can you provide any, you know, EXAMPLES of this alleged loss of sovereignty? Don't get me wrong, the phrase itself is killer marketing material, but at some point you need some kind of list of the WAYS the US is loosing sovereignty if you want to attract anyone who is not already a member of your tin foil hat club.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Time will tell who's really retarded....

Maybe, but I'd argue that coming to the correct conclusion through faulty logic is not proof of intelligence. It may be that the North American Union is right around the corner and the US will lose all sovereignty, but even if that happens, the fact that you're finding proof in driver's license holograms still makes your brainpower a little suspect.

In any case, the EU seems to be working out pretty well for Europe...even if this conspiracy theory is true, who gives a shit?
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Can't we have a US/Canada union? I really think that may be of benefit. Inviting Mexico in--no offense Mexicans!--would be like inviting Rosie O'donnell into an orgy with a hot model. They just don't bring enough to the table.

Doesn't Jessica Alba have some Mexican genes in her? That's enough to bring to the table right there!



I didn't know genes included factors for nationality.

:Q
 

GeezerMan

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Time will tell who's really retarded....

Maybe, but I'd argue that coming to the correct conclusion through faulty logic is not proof of intelligence. It may be that the North American Union is right around the corner and the US will lose all sovereignty, but even if that happens, the fact that you're finding proof in driver's license holograms still makes your brainpower a little suspect.

In any case, the EU seems to be working out pretty well for Europe...even if this conspiracy theory is true, who gives a shit?

Oh, if you are an American, you need the "Tired of the Constitution" forum...
 

eits

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Let's see now, guidelines drawn up by the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, a NGO. Let's harmonize the laws

Your papers, show me your papers


Marge Howell, spokeswoman for the North Carolina DMV, affirmed to WND the state was embedding a hologram of North America on the back of its new driver's licenses.

"It's a security element that eventually will be on the back of every driver's license in North America," Howell told WND.

Howell explained the hologram of the continent was the creation of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, a tax-exempt, nonprofit organization that, according to the group's website, "develops model programs in motor vehicle administration, law enforcement and highway safety."

Founded in 1933, AAMVA represents state and provincial officials in the United States and Canada who administer and enforce motor vehicle laws. The government of Mexico is also a member, though the individual Mexican states have yet to join.

According to the group's website, AAMVA's programs are designed "to encourage uniformity and reciprocity among the states and provinces."

"The goal of the North American hologram," Howell explained, "is to get one common element that law enforcement throughout the continent can look at on all driver's licenses and tell that the driver's license is an official document."

Jason King, spokesman for AAMVA, affirmed the North American hologram was created by AAMVA's Uniform Identification Subcommittee, a working group of its members.

He explained the goal is to create a continental security device that could be used by state and provincial motor vehicles agencies throughout North America, including the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

Oh no, a common hologram. What's next, barcodes on our arms :roll:

Seriously, are you people retarded? Inquiring minds want to know.

nope, it'll be an rfid chip.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Time will tell who's really retarded....

Maybe, but I'd argue that coming to the correct conclusion through faulty logic is not proof of intelligence. It may be that the North American Union is right around the corner and the US will lose all sovereignty, but even if that happens, the fact that you're finding proof in driver's license holograms still makes your brainpower a little suspect.

In any case, the EU seems to be working out pretty well for Europe...even if this conspiracy theory is true, who gives a shit?

Oh, if you are an American, you need the "Tired of the Constitution" forum...

Who's talking about loss of constitutional freedoms? As by far the largest and most powerful member of the "NAU", I imagine the US would have an enormous say as to the laws and regulations. People made that same argument, and still make that argument, about the UN, and I have yet to see UN troops seizing anyone's guns. Face it, you guys are ALWAYS wrong about this stuff...
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Whats not so funny is the United States losing its sovereignty. Another thing not so funny is the debt backed U.S. dollar is in the near future going to be replaced by a shiny new debt backed currency called the amero.

Yeah, we heard you people the first 11 thousand times you said that. But the real question is, can you provide any, you know, EXAMPLES of this alleged loss of sovereignty? Don't get me wrong, the phrase itself is killer marketing material, but at some point you need some kind of list of the WAYS the US is loosing sovereignty if you want to attract anyone who is not already a member of your tin foil hat club.

Dictionary.com : Sovereignty

1. the quality or state of being sovereign.
2. the status, dominion, power, or authority of a sovereign; royalty.
3. supreme and independent power or authority in government as possessed or claimed by a state or community.
4. rightful status, independence, or prerogative.
5. a sovereign state, community, or political unit.

When bushy boy signed this agreement with canada and mexico he gave those other countries say in what America does. Everything that we do will be in the scope of the NAU. This isn't hard to understand and I'm sure you are smart enough to see it. America will not act independently anymore. Furthered by the release of an "Amero" currency which ties us all together without the consent of the American people. It is obvious. Are you just playing devil's advocate?

Lastly, there is no need for childish insults, state what you think and leave it at that.
 

yllus

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As your new Canadian overlords, we are shortly going to order that all Americans wear their underpants on their heads. A Mountie will be along shortly to scan your NAU ID card (there's the tie-in!) to ensure your cooperation.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Time will tell who's really retarded....

Maybe, but I'd argue that coming to the correct conclusion through faulty logic is not proof of intelligence. It may be that the North American Union is right around the corner and the US will lose all sovereignty, but even if that happens, the fact that you're finding proof in driver's license holograms still makes your brainpower a little suspect.

In any case, the EU seems to be working out pretty well for Europe...even if this conspiracy theory is true, who gives a shit?

Oh, if you are an American, you need the "Tired of the Constitution" forum...

Who's talking about loss of constitutional freedoms? As by far the largest and most powerful member of the "NAU", I imagine the US would have an enormous say as to the laws and regulations. People made that same argument, and still make that argument, about the UN, and I have yet to see UN troops seizing anyone's guns. Face it, you guys are ALWAYS wrong about this stuff...

Well that doesn't matter, those Constitutional freedoms were taken way before the NAU. Patriot act ring a bell? Thought so...
 

bbdub333

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Time will tell who's really retarded....

Maybe, but I'd argue that coming to the correct conclusion through faulty logic is not proof of intelligence. It may be that the North American Union is right around the corner and the US will lose all sovereignty, but even if that happens, the fact that you're finding proof in driver's license holograms still makes your brainpower a little suspect.

In any case, the EU seems to be working out pretty well for Europe...even if this conspiracy theory is true, who gives a shit?

Oh, if you are an American, you need the "Tired of the Constitution" forum...

Who's talking about loss of constitutional freedoms? As by far the largest and most powerful member of the "NAU", I imagine the US would have an enormous say as to the laws and regulations. People made that same argument, and still make that argument, about the UN, and I have yet to see UN troops seizing anyone's guns. Face it, you guys are ALWAYS wrong about this stuff...

Well that doesn't matter, those Constitutional freedoms were taken way before the NAU. Patriot act ring a bell? Thought so...

It's hopeless to argue with kids Rainsford... they adopt a rebellious viewpoint simply because nobody else accepts it, and find ways to legitimize it no matter what types of logical sacrifices they need to make.

They'll grow up eventually and realize how silly they were. Time has a way of doing that.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: bbdub333

It's hopeless to argue with kids Rainsford... they adopt a rebellious viewpoint simply because nobody else accepts it, and find ways to legitimize it no matter what types of logical sacrifices they need to make.

They'll grow up eventually and realize how silly they were. Time has a way of doing that.

All of what you posted has nothing to do with the topic being discussed (actually should haave been a pm, which shows me the psychology behind your post, to get attention or accolades), didn't even bring one shred of evidence to back up your claims. As such, your post is trolling at best. Next time contribute instead of derailing off topic, there is a forum for that. Have a nice day :)
 

ZebuluniteV

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Whats not so funny is the United States losing its sovereignty. Another thing not so funny is the debt backed U.S. dollar is in the near future going to be replaced by a shiny new debt backed currency called the amero.

Yeah, we heard you people the first 11 thousand times you said that. But the real question is, can you provide any, you know, EXAMPLES of this alleged loss of sovereignty? Don't get me wrong, the phrase itself is killer marketing material, but at some point you need some kind of list of the WAYS the US is loosing sovereignty if you want to attract anyone who is not already a member of your tin foil hat club.

Dictionary.com : Sovereignty

1. the quality or state of being sovereign.
2. the status, dominion, power, or authority of a sovereign; royalty.
3. supreme and independent power or authority in government as possessed or claimed by a state or community.
4. rightful status, independence, or prerogative.
5. a sovereign state, community, or political unit.

When bushy boy signed this agreement with canada and mexico he gave those other countries say in what America does. Everything that we do will be in the scope of the NAU. This isn't hard to understand and I'm sure you are smart enough to see it. America will not act independently anymore. Furthered by the release of an "Amero" currency which ties us all together without the consent of the American people. It is obvious. Are you just playing devil's advocate?

Lastly, there is no need for childish insults, state what you think and leave it at that.



You quoted a dictionary.com definition of sovereignty, then rambled on about a conspiracy theory while still providing no support whatsoever. Come on, you could at least try to pass of a WorldNetDaily or Newsmax article as "evidence".


It is "obvious" indeed.





Originally posted by: Rainsford
Who's talking about loss of constitutional freedoms? As by far the largest and most powerful member of the "NAU", I imagine the US would have an enormous say as to the laws and regulations. People made that same argument, and still make that argument, about the UN, and I have yet to see UN troops seizing anyone's guns. Face it, you guys are ALWAYS wrong about this stuff...



You're exactly right. It's quite ironic that people like PC Surgeon fear a hypothetical NAU, when the US would be by far the dominant player. Mexico and especially Canada (presuming votes would be distributed proportionately by population) are the ones that would have any reason to fear a NAU, not that US. Together, the two have barely over a third of the US's population, so even veto power would be worthless against the US.
 

ZebuluniteV

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: bbdub333

It's hopeless to argue with kids Rainsford... they adopt a rebellious viewpoint simply because nobody else accepts it, and find ways to legitimize it no matter what types of logical sacrifices they need to make.

They'll grow up eventually and realize how silly they were. Time has a way of doing that.

All of what you posted has nothing to do with the topic being discussed (actually should haave been a pm, which shows me the psychology behind your post, to get attention or accolades), didn't even bring one shred of evidence to back up your claims. As such, your post is trolling at best. Next time contribute instead of derailing off topic, there is a forum for that. Have a nice day :)

Quite the irony considering your evidence-less conspiracy-theory ravings...
 

bbdub333

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: bbdub333

It's hopeless to argue with kids Rainsford... they adopt a rebellious viewpoint simply because nobody else accepts it, and find ways to legitimize it no matter what types of logical sacrifices they need to make.

They'll grow up eventually and realize how silly they were. Time has a way of doing that.

All of what you posted has nothing to do with the topic being discussed (actually should haave been a pm, which shows me the psychology behind your post, to get attention or accolades), didn't even bring one shred of evidence to back up your claims. As such, your post is trolling at best. Next time contribute instead of derailing off topic, there is a forum for that. Have a nice day :)

There is no discussion when it comes to these issues. No matter how much evidence you demand be brought to the table to refute your claims, none will be accepted by these so fervent in their beliefs. Your theories are childish, misinformed, contrary to logic, contrary to reality. I could show you a picture of a dog and you'd swear it was a cat because you don't want to believe "them". Grow up and contribute something to society other than idiotic schemes which do nothing but breed unwarranted paranoia.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: lozina
total bullocks

The two logos are not identical.

There is nothing on that picture that specifies the North American Union.

I don't totally reject the idea that there is a political drive in this country to form a North American Union but this example is clearly not it. This is an embarassment

I dont even buy there is a political drive to form the North American Union. The only people you hear this crap from are nationalist, typically right winged, whackjob sites.