ultimatebob
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Connecticut daily positivity-rate Tues was 9%
(and we really do have some nut-jobs around here)
Yeah... and our vaccination rate is over 85% now.
Connecticut daily positivity-rate Tues was 9%
(and we really do have some nut-jobs around here)
You know who says the vaccine is a shield?
Republicans.
When they are lying about vaccines.
Which is all the fucking time.
, but it likely won't prevent you from getting sick.
What? Yes it will, in fact the mRNA vaccines do this particularly well after a booster. Other vaccines not so much. You have some data to support your claim or just spreading misinformation or cherry picking data and playing fast and loose with the truth?
The latest analysis by the UK government’s Health Security Agency indicates that two Covid jabs do not offer strong protection against symptomatic infection from the new variant, with the current suite of vaccines less effective than they were against Delta.
However, those who have received a booster jab remain up to 70 per cent protected, the agency found, underlining the importance of getting a third shot as soon as possible.
See, I really hate the wording of shit like this. Stating that it does not offer protection from 'symptomatic infection' implies there's a difference between that, and something else. Infection is infection, and we should be caring if a person gets infected, not just if it's symptomatic, non-symptomatic, super-symptomatic, or whatever other gradients someone's invented. Then the however, what the fuck does '70% protected' mean in this? 70% of people won't die? Won't have severe illness? You'll have 70% less viral load? Infect 70% less people while spreading? It's mealy-mouthed bullshit backed up by something that showed up in a petri dish 2 weeks ago that's fucking meaningless, and has a single purpose: get people spending money in some fucking shop.What I keep hearing is that that booster is doing a lot of that work, especially if the initial jabs were not mRNA ones (glad I had my Pfizer "chaser" shot over a month ago)
e.g.
How effective are the Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna vaccines against Omicron?
Booster jabs provide up to 70 per cent protection, study findswww.independent.co.uk
Which says to me that without the booster, you are indeed likely to still get ill, i.e. have symptoms.
What? Yes it will, in fact the mRNA vaccines do this particularly well after a booster. Other vaccines not so much. You have some data to support your claim or just spreading misinformation or cherry picking data and playing fast and loose with the truth?
See, I really hate the wording of shit like this. Stating that it does not offer protection from 'symptomatic infection' implies there's a difference between that, and something else. Infection is infection, and we should be caring if a person gets infected, not just if it's symptomatic, non-symptomatic, super-symptomatic, or whatever other gradients someone's invented. Then the however, what the fuck does '70% protected' mean in this? 70% of people won't die? Won't have severe illness? You'll have 70% less viral load? Infect 70% less people while spreading? It's mealy-mouthed bullshit backed up by something that showed up in a petri dish 2 weeks ago that's fucking meaningless, and has a single purpose: get people spending money in some fucking shop.
The "breakthrough" infections of people who are already fully vaccinated and boosted should be all the data you need. Surely you must know somebody who got all their shots and got COVID anyway by now. If not, you can find plenty of examples in the media. Jim Cramer from CNBC is one of the more recent examples. He's so pro vaccination that he was recommending sending in the military to the homes of unvaccinated people to give them forced shots on Twitter. Didn't stop him from getting it.
So the vaccine can prevent you from getting sick from the virus or getting too sick, but that's not protecting from illness.
No vaccine can prevent you from inhaling the virus. No current vaccine can prevent the virus from starting to multiply inside you. You absolutely can and will get infected when vaccinated. Preventing infection is NOT how any vaccine works.It is absolutely true: the vaccine can prevent you from getting infected when exposed to the virus. It literally reduces risk at every point in the transmission/illness chain.
The thing is NOTHING short of avoiding people can fully prevent infection. What we can do is make the infections as minimal as possible. 70% protected means that 70% of people won't know that they were infected. It means that at least 70% will not have severe illness. Thus, at least 70% will not die.See, I really hate the wording of shit like this. Stating that it does not offer protection from 'symptomatic infection' implies there's a difference between that, and something else. Infection is infection, and we should be caring if a person gets infected, not just if it's symptomatic, non-symptomatic, super-symptomatic, or whatever other gradients someone's invented. Then the however, what the fuck does '70% protected' mean in this? 70% of people won't die? Won't have severe illness? You'll have 70% less viral load? Infect 70% less people while spreading? It's mealy-mouthed bullshit backed up by something that showed up in a petri dish 2 weeks ago that's fucking meaningless, and has a single purpose: get people spending money in some fucking shop.
I get enraged because it gives people a false sense of security, specifically so they will continue to do what they're doing (spending money) rather than saying 'we don't quite know how bad this is going to be, so better off just hanging back this holiday'.Really don't get your point, or what you are so enraged about. Which shop? It's a report from a government agency.
(I took it as meaning 70% less likely to get a case of COVID that caused symptoms.)
That's 3 different things, not everyone who knows that they are infected die, same for not everyone who knows they are infected have severe illness, as well as not everyone who has severe illness will die. So which is it?The thing is NOTHING short of avoiding people can fully prevent infection. What we can do is make the infections as minimal as possible. 70% protected means that 70% of people won't know that they were infected. It means that at least 70% will not have severe illness. Thus, at least 70% will not die.
Israel going to shot #4:
Germany is reportedly doing the same but has also now ordered Omicron specific vaccine from BioNTech.
I get enraged because it gives people a false sense of security, specifically so they will continue to do what they're doing (spending money) rather than saying 'we don't quite know how bad this is going to be, so better off just hanging back this holiday'.
Yeah... that's the booster that I want. If I'm getting a booster, I want something that was designed to work on the new variant that's out there and not something that's kinda/sorta effective depending on who you ask.
The numbers generally go up with each step.That's 3 different things, not everyone who knows that they are infected die, same for not everyone who knows they are infected have severe illness, as well as not everyone who has severe illness will die. So which is it?
I suspect what we're actually seeing is everyone's immune system is amped to shit because of having a booster recently, so we have little spartans running around read to go nuts on inbound variants, rather than the immune system actually having an immunity to omicron. Breakthroughs seem far too common.My only point really was slightly disagreeing with Vrolock (though I realise he's an actual doctor) in his claim that vaccines will prevent one from getting sick. it appears, from that linked report, to be the case that that's not true sans booster jab (particularly with AZ, that is the most common here, which is reportedly fairly ineffectual against omicron), and is not 100% the case even with a booster.
I agree, and that's my point. They're quantifying an unquantifiable system, intentionally to alleviate fears when they shouldn't be. They may as well say 'cloth masks are 99% effective at protecting you' and just leave it at that. If the numbers aren't quantifiable why not just make some shit up?So, the exact numbers that you want are not yet measurable.
Lying seems to be a requirement for being a Republican. Lie about everything, you're right at home in the R Party. If truth is your thing, you look elsewhere.You know who says the vaccine is a shield?
Republicans.
When they are lying about vaccines.
Which is all the fucking time.
Because it isn't made up. There are 70% fewer symptomatic infections. Therefore there are AT LEAST 70% fewer deaths. That isn't made up. Maybe the number is 80%, but it certainly isn't lower than 70%. That is useful information to know.I agree, and that's my point. They're quantifying an unquantifiable system, intentionally to alleviate fears when they shouldn't be. They may as well say 'cloth masks are 99% effective at protecting you' and just leave it at that. If the numbers aren't quantifiable why not just make some shit up?