NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[K1052]

Closest I've been to Manhattan since pre-pandemic is attending several Mets games... I had a mask with me but the only time I wore it was inside shops/food places as did 98% of other folks.

Had my physical vaccine card with me too along with a pic on my phone but I've yet to be asked for either once anyplace.

Manhattan was almost eerily normal. Streets full of shoppers in SoHo, tons of kids and their parents doing move ins for NYU in the village. Only thing obviously missing was a bunch of office workers on Friday.

 

[balloonshark]

WV now showing breakthrough data on its website. You have to click on the category at the top of the chart to see the info.

It clearly shows more breakthroughs in those that are older which makes sense. How can anyone look at this info and still decide not to get vaxxed?

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

 

[Captante]

How can anyone look at this info and still decide not to get vaxxed?

Think of just a few of the things SOME folks believe are true in 2021 America and then re-visit this query.

I'm guessing the tragic answer will become obvious pretty quickly ... many, MANY, MANY (!!!) people, especially in America are literally so dumb that they can't be counted on for ANY decision requiring even rudimentary logic to make properly.

Even worse however is the next "bright idea" on this particular slippery-slope is that democracy simply can't work when half the population reads at something like a 5th grade level at best and bases their entire lives on superstition.

 

[MrSquished]

NYC up to 77% with at least one shot

 

[Dr. Detroit]

NYC up to 77% with at least one shot

Chicago doing very poorly!

According to city data, nearly 62% of white Chicagoans are fully vaccinated, compared to about 38% of Black Chicagoans.

 

[Spacehead]

I lost track on code name long ago, is C.1.2 new or is code name from one of the Greek name? Delta, Delta +, L?? ....etc

Looks like it hasn't been given a Greek name... yet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_variants#Additional_variants

 

[Zorba]

WV now showing breakthrough data on its website. You have to click on the category at the top of the chart to see the info.

It clearly shows more breakthroughs in those that are older which makes sense. How can anyone look at this info and still decide not to get vaxxed?

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

The WV governor had been pretty good about pushing vaccines, at least compared to his peers. They had the quickest roll out until they got the wall.

 

[pauldun170]

Manhattan was almost eerily normal. Streets full of shoppers in SoHo, tons of kids and their parents doing move ins for NYU in the village. Only thing obviously missing was a bunch of office workers on Friday.

Just found out that idiot anti vaxxer "friends" of the inlaws are refusing to vaccinate their kids and were in the process of purchasing fake vax cards for their daughter who is headed off to NYU.

 

[K1052]

Just found out that idiot anti vaxxer "friends" of the inlaws are refusing to vaccinate their kids and were in the process of purchasing fake vax cards for their daughter who is headed off to NYU.

I'm very pro the idea the government should consolidate the state vaccination databases so that places like schools and employers can verify the info they've been given. Anybody submitting false records should be duly punished.

 

[H T C]

I'm very pro the idea the government should consolidate the state vaccination databases so that places like schools and employers can verify the info they've been given. Anybody submitting false records should be duly punished.

I had posted this regarding that in the covidiot topic.

 

[jpiniero]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Google pushing back forcing employees into the office to January.

 

[Captante]

Just found out that idiot anti vaxxer "friends" of the inlaws are refusing to vaccinate their kids and were in the process of purchasing fake vax cards for their daughter who is headed off to NYU.

I sincerely hope you called them out AND will turn them in if they continue with this fine plan .... at the risk of stating the obvious people could die.

Anyone doing (or advocating for) this sort of thing belongs in prison.

 

[manly]

Once again - This is science coming from Israel, not the USA. I'm railing about the lack of studies done here in the States.

Why would you be required to get an injection if you have natural immunity - it makes no sense. There is risk in everything, and these injections are not without side effects, some severe enough to die.

Heart Problem More Common After Covid-19 Than After Vaccination, Study Finds (Published 2021)

The research did not assess the risks specifically for young males, who are the most likely to develop the rare side effect.

www.nytimes.com

Your OWN article AND post explicitly states that according to that Israeli study, getting vaccinated after natural infection enhances one's protection against reinfection:

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How do you post this AND not even understand such basics? It must be the evil government in Sacramento stealing everyone's rights. Unless you live in California, why are you suggesting this is a general policy problem for all Americans?

And this one study from Israel proves the U.S. doesn't do science and research? LMFAO. If you want the bigger picture, there are problems with American health care in general (high cost, low value, vast inequities). The reason these sorts of studies come from Israel or UK's NHS is because they have fully integrated single-payer systems with troves of data ready to be analyzed. The U.S. has big HMOs but otherwise we don't have the health care integration like that of other advanced economies.

As for this latest article you linked, can you read and understand the headline? Myocarditis is more common amongst those who've contracted COVID than those who got the vaccine. Study conducted by Boston Children’s Hospital Computational Health Informatics Program, but obviously that's fake since the U.S. doesn't do science and research. Let's not ruin your precious narrative.

 

[Artorias]

Big RIP for herd immunity. Good luck everyone.

 

[gill77]

Big RIP for herd immunity. Good luck everyone.

I guess the writing has been on the wall for a while now, but it's starting to sink in.

Treatments keep getting better so maybe the later the better, as long as healthcare workers are not overtaxed at the time.

Exposure to a huge viral load probably still worth avoiding.

Take whatever measures you feel will strengthen your immune system.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Your OWN article AND post explicitly states that according to that Israeli study, getting vaccinated after natural infection enhances one's protection against reinfection:

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How do you post this AND not even understand such basics? It must be the evil government in Sacramento stealing everyone's rights. Unless you live in California, why are you suggesting this is a general policy problem for all Americans?

And this one study from Israel proves the U.S. doesn't do science and research? LMFAO. If you want the bigger picture, there are problems with American health care in general (high cost, low value, vast inequities). The reason these sorts of studies come from Israel or UK's NHS is because they have fully integrated single-payer systems with troves of data ready to be analyzed. The U.S. has big HMOs but otherwise we don't have the health care integration like that of other advanced economies.

As for this latest article you linked, can you read and understand the headline? Myocarditis is more common amongst those who've contracted COVID than those who got the vaccine. Study conducted by Boston Children’s Hospital Computational Health Informatics Program, but obviously that's fake since the U.S. doesn't do science and research. Let's not ruin your precious narrative.

Open your very narrow mind and begin to understand why some folks refuse to be vaccinated.

Lets specifically take the 40M Americans who have had Covid - a number that might be quite low as not everyone who was sick tested positive as they chose to not get tested.

The Israeli study shows natural immunity is 13x greater than those vaccinated - so why force those who have have Covid to be vaccinated?

• Your answer is "enhances one's protection against reinfection"

Being vaccinated carries some risk (specifically I linked a myocarditis study and there are many other side effects), so based on the above natural immunity statistic 13x why get vaccinated?

So once again, if you are one of those 40M who have 13x greater natural immunity why would take the additional risk to get vaccinated when the science might just say that there is more risk in getting the vaccine than not?

Israeli Study: Natural Immunity Is 13x Stronger Than Pfizer Covid Shots | Hacker News

news.ycombinator.com

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Iceland statistics on breakthrough cases:

82% of 18+ are vaccinated



Anecdotally I've heard that there are some folks with a booster (3rd shot) are now testing positive in Israel.

 

[manly]

Open your very narrow mind and begin to understand why some folks refuse to be vaccinated.

Lets specifically take the 40M Americans who have had Covid - a number that might be quite low as not everyone who was sick tested positive as they chose to not get tested.

The Israeli study shows natural immunity is 13x greater than those vaccinated - so why force those who have have Covid to be vaccinated?

• Your answer is "enhances one's protection against reinfection"

Being vaccinated carries some risk (specifically I linked a myocarditis study and there are many other side effects), so based on the above natural immunity statistic 13x why get vaccinated?

So once again, if you are one of those 40M who have 13x greater natural immunity why would take the additional risk to get vaccinated when the science might just say that there is more risk in getting the vaccine than not?

Israeli Study: Natural Immunity Is 13x Stronger Than Pfizer Covid Shots | Hacker News

news.ycombinator.com

You absolutely suck at logic, so few of us are going to take you seriously. Your arguments are specifically refuted by the very articles you cite.

Again, the Israeli study said getting vaccinated after natural infection enhances protection. Yet you keep asking why get vaccinated? The article's 3rd paragraph, WHICH you quoted says why. It's not my answer, that's what the study said! Now if you want to get into a policy argument about whether a state govt. should mandate vaccination after prior infection, that's an entirely different proposition. In the case of California, voters essentially have a direct say in the POTENTIAL policy. If they recall Gavin Newsom, there is zero chance of a state vaccine mandate. If you don't even live in California, what are you so indignant about? California's policy isn't going to affect all the 40M Americans that you refer to.

Saying natural immunity is 13x better than vaccination immunity is completely beside the point. Nobody in their right mind would choose to get COVID because it gives you this greater immunity. Now if you already had COVID, then you have a fair option to decline (if the preprint study actually checks out). But for all the people who have never gotten COVID, the risk assessment is super simple. Do things within your power to not get a harmful disease. The approved vaccines are free, effective, safe and largely prevent severe COVID. You keep referring to risks of the vaccines, but the real risks are for those who have no immunity and refuse to get vaccinated. And those risks and costs basically are borne by all; because the pandemic will linger for months if not years and the medical costs of hospitalizations are very real.

Then you pop off about myocarditis when the NYT article specifically says it's more common with people who got COVID. The article specifically says the side effects you warn about are uncommon.

Come back with this spurious argument when the science you bring to the table actually supports your positions. I would say go back and read those articles, but sadly I think you did read them and somehow walked away convinced they told a different story than is plainly apparent.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Come back with this spurious argument when the science you bring to the table actually supports your positions.

Just over here popping off and yes I did vote to Recall my Governor..... I'll continue to post my articles and you can go back to your P&N echo-chamber and entertain yourself.

 

[pmv]

Just over here popping off and yes I did vote to Recall my Governor..... I'll continue to post my articles and you can go back to your P&N echo-chamber and entertain yourself.

So no response to the substantive points in his reply?

Sounds like you're the one who is just 'entertaining themselves'

 

[K1052]

Iceland statistics on breakthrough cases:

82% of 18+ are vaccinated
View attachment 49597


Anecdotally I've heard that there are some folks with a booster (3rd shot) are now testing positive in Israel.

Also Iceland:

 

[Geekbabe]

I was in the first wave of people who got vaccinated, I got Pfizer for both doses. Just had my third booster shot. I also had my vitamin D levels checked & was very low, took an 8 week course of weekly high dose supplements and now take a smaller dose daily.

I mask, avoid stores, restaurant, concerts, rallies and any place with large numbers of people. I work in a hospital where everyone has been vaccinated and wears masks. I hand sanitize several times a day.

I am as safe as I can be…and that is all I can do.

 

[Roger Wilco]

WHO says it is monitoring a new Covid variant called 'mu' (B.1.621). Still need studies to confirm whether or not it is more transmissible/severe/immune-resistant.

“Preliminary data presented to the Virus Evolution Working Group show a reduction in neutralization capacity of convalescent and vaccine sera similar to that seen for the Beta variant, but this needs to be confirmed by further studies,” it added."

WHO says it is monitoring a new Covid variant called 'mu'

The mu variant has mutations that have the potential to evade immunity provided by a previous Covid-19 infection or vaccination, the WHO said.

www.cnbc.com

"The variant contains genetic mutations that indicate natural immunity, current vaccines or monoclonal antibody treatments may not work as well against it as they do against the original ancestral virus, the WHO said. The mu strain needs further study to confirm whether it will prove to be more contagious, more deadly or more resistant to current vaccines and treatments."

"Mu 'has a constellation of mutations that indicate potential properties of immune escape,' the WHO wrote in its report Tuesday.

 

[H T C]

Portugal's vaccination report has just been updated (click for full picture):



- top left --- people with @ least one dose
- top right --- people fully vaccinated: includes people with just one dose that had a previous COVID infection as well as people that took the single dose vaccine
- middle left --- age groups
- middle center --- @ least one dose: people and percentage
- middle right --- fully vaccinated: people and percentage
- bottom left --- doses the country has received
- bottom right --- doses the country has administered

Youngsters aged 12 to 17 have had vaccination weekends dedicated to them and, after 3 weeks, 74% have already taken their 1st dose : 3 weekends ago was dedicated to those aged 16 to 17 and these last 2 weekends were dedicated to those aged 12 to 15. Vaccination scheduled for people aged 18+ were interrupted in these 3 weekends to conduct the youngster's vaccinations, and this was done in preparation to school, in order to try and avoid disrupting classes due to COVID cases: while it isn't a guarantee, it certainly minimizes that risk.

We now have throughout the country a setup where one doesn't need an appointment to get their vaccine: all people need to do is show up @ vaccination centers that have what we call "open house" (not all centers do), and they'll get their vaccination. The only caveat is that, wherever they get the 1st dose is the place they're required to get their 2nd dose. This was not the case until about a month ago or so because one had to be called by Health Services to get their vaccination doses.

Portugal is expecting to be 85% fully vaccinated by September's end, which is almost 1 month ahead of schedule: right now, we're @ 73% fully vaccinated.

Roughly 12.5% of our population can't be vaccinated yet (kids under 12) and roughly 2.5% don't want / are afraid to be vaccinated.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Portugal's vaccination report has just been updated (click for full picture):

View attachment 49611

- top left --- people with @ least one dose
- top right --- people fully vaccinated: includes people with just one dose that had a previous COVID infection as well as people that took the single dose vaccine
- middle left --- age groups
- middle center --- @ least one dose: people and percentage
- middle right --- fully vaccinated: people and percentage
- bottom left --- doses the country has received
- bottom right --- doses the country has administered

Youngsters aged 12 to 17 have had vaccination weekends dedicated to them and, after 3 weeks, 74% have already taken their 1st dose : 3 weekends ago was dedicated to those aged 16 to 17 and these last 2 weekends were dedicated to those aged 12 to 15. Vaccination scheduled for people aged 18+ were interrupted in these 3 weekends to conduct the youngster's vaccinations, and this was done in preparation to school, in order to try and avoid disrupting classes due to COVID cases: while it isn't a guarantee, it certainly minimizes that risk.

We now have throughout the country a setup where one doesn't need an appointment to get their vaccine: all people need to do is show up @ vaccination centers that have what we call "open house" (not all centers do), and they'll get their vaccination. The only caveat is that, wherever they get the 1st dose is the place they're required to get their 2nd dose. This was not the case until about a month ago or so because one had to be called by Health Services to get their vaccination doses.

Portugal is expecting to be 85% fully vaccinated by September's end, which is almost 1 month ahead of schedule: right now, we're @ 73% fully vaccinated.

Roughly 12.5% of our population can't be vaccinated yet (kids under 12) and roughly 2.5% don't want / are afraid to be vaccinated.

Must be nice not having knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing sacks of shit as 50% of your population.