NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Mai72]

This is going to get real bad come fall. Most people still aren't taking this seriously.

I can see 200k deaths by September. Maybe even 500k deaths by the end of the year if this accelerates in the fall.

 

[Mai72]

Who exactly are 'all the scientists'? We've had an obesity crisis not being taken seriously by national leadership for like, four decades. I see this as identical to climate change, everyone with a voice has been screaming from the rooftops for as long as they've known about a given crisis, then when the shit finally hits the fan, nimrods out there that never listened say 'WHY DIDN'T THEY WARN US?!'. Honestly.

People who are able to respond to the changing climate will survive. The people who adapt. Everyone else will have a very difficult time.

 

[H T C]

This is going to get real bad come fall. Most people still aren't taking this seriously.

I can see 200k deaths by September. Maybe even 500k deaths by the end of the year if this accelerates in the fall.

As much as we all want students to go back to school, this is the worst thing to do in USA right now because of the absurd amount of new daily infected cases.

Why? Because they also get infected but, unlike adults (and specially 50+ year old adults), they tend to get a "very mild version" of the virus so they generally aren't as affected as the rest of the population.

Why is this a very VERY BIG problem? Because, since they get a "very mild version", their symptoms also don't show as easily as with the rest of the population, and it's here that the BIG part of the problem presents itself: since they also get the virus but their symptoms tend to be less pronounced, it's generally harder to notice when students become infected so it's more likely that they end up infecting those they live with before the infection is found out.

But that can be solved if they use social distancing in schools right? Yes and no:

- yes because, planned properly, you CAN have social distancing in the classrooms
- no because this doesn't take into account the period BETWEEN classes, where students tend to gather thus potentially spreading the virus between themselves

 

[Scarpozzi]

New day, same problem as 50 years ago.

Nasty ankle biting crumb crushers.

Dr. Brix warns US is in a new phase, w/ more widespread cases.

Birx warns US is 'in a new phase' of coronavirus pandemic with more widespread cases

Dr. Deborah Birx on Sunday said the US is in a new phase in its fight against the coronavirus pandemic, saying that the deadly virus is more widespread than when it first took hold in the US earlier this year.

www.cnn.com

My small town finally hit 100 covid hospital beds this past week. I think it's just running it's course as people travel from rural areas to those larger cities around them. I think it's been widespread for a long while, but isolated cases take a while to add up. You have to get 100 cases across multiple counties before 10-20 hospitalizations show up....and 1-4 deaths. Ultimately, reporting in rural areas suck and you won't see the problem until it's 5-10 times worse.

 

[Mai72]

As much as we all want students to go back to school, this is the worst thing to do in USA right now because of the absurd amount of new daily infected cases.

Why? Because they also get infected but, unlike adults (and specially 50+ year old adults), they tend to get a "very mild version" of the virus so they generally aren't as affected as the rest of the population.

Why is this a very VERY BIG problem? Because, since they get a "very mild version", their symptoms also don't show as easily as with the rest of the population, and it's here that the BIG part of the problem presents itself: since they also get the virus but their symptoms tend to be less pronounced, it's generally harder to notice when students become infected so it's more likely that they end up infecting those they live with before the infection is found out.

But that can be solved if they use social distancing in schools right? Yes and no:

- yes because, planned properly, you CAN have social distancing in the classrooms
- no because this doesn't take into account the period BETWEEN classes, where students tend to gather thus potentially spreading the virus between themselves

IMO, what will happen is we will see a huge spike in high schools among staff, and students. We may even see deaths in the near future. This will be a fact because many people who work in public schools are 50 plus, and many are in poor health. Overweight, type2 diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. It's not going to be uniform. A school in an area not highly affected by COVID19 will probably be fine. A school in the South, or Northeast that is in a densly populated area will have a very difficult time. Then again, it only takes one infected student, or staff and we have half the school infected.

Social distancing in classrooms will be a big challenge for k-6. Especially among kids who have sensory issues, or a kid who might be autistic. Only time will tell I guess.

 

[Mai72]

My small town finally hit 100 covid hospital beds this past week. I think it's just running it's course as people travel from rural areas to those larger cities around them. I think it's been widespread for a long while, but isolated cases take a while to add up. You have to get 100 cases across multiple counties before 10-20 hospitalizations show up....and 1-4 deaths. Ultimately, reporting in rural areas suck and you won't see the problem until it's 5-10 times worse.

What's your opinion. Do you think it will become much worse? 1-4 death is tragic, but it's still very small.

 

[H T C]

IMO, what will happen is we will see a huge spike in high schools among staff, and students. We may even see deaths in the near future. This will be a fact because many people who work in public schools are 50 plus, and many are in poor health. Overweight, type2 diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. It's not going to be uniform. A school in an area not highly affected by COVID19 will probably be fine. A school in the South, or Northeast that is in a densly populated area will have a very difficult time. Then again, it only takes one infected student, or staff and we have half the school infected.

Social distancing in classrooms will be a big challenge for k-6. Especially among kids who have sensory issues, or a kid who might be autistic. Only time will tell I guess.

That's not how i picture infections spreading originating in schools. The way i picture it is:

- student gets infected from someone outside school (family member / friend / whatever)
- student doesn't show symptoms for quite a while, if @ all
- student infects other students between classes, which also tend to show little to no symptoms
- those students infect their family members which, being supposedly older (parents / uncles / grandparents), DO show symptoms, @ a later time
- by then it's already widespread

All it takes is "a spark" (1st infection case) and, depending on how long between the time of the 1st infection and the time of it being found out, you can have hundreds of new "hot spots", directly linked to schools.

 

[highland145]

My small town finally hit 100 covid hospital beds this past week. I think it's just running it's course as people travel from rural areas to those larger cities around them. I think it's been widespread for a long while, but isolated cases take a while to add up. You have to get 100 cases across multiple counties before 10-20 hospitalizations show up....and 1-4 deaths. Ultimately, reporting in rural areas suck and you won't see the problem until it's 5-10 times worse.

Our numbers are really low and, I think, way under reported. 170k peeps in the county, 40k in the city. They keep changing the numbers. 68 total deaths 3 weeks ago. 49 last week....

 

[CZroe]

I facepalmed hard when I saw this on a local FB group:

Does this person even know what "double-blind, placebo-controlled" means? How do you fool a participant with a placebo mask that isn't actually a mask?

So dumb.

 

[shortylickens]

Ummm .... that is what we are discussing already as it was posted about 10 posts before yours.

Sorry.
I've got about 40 or so people on my ignore list and most of those are professional D-bags who stink up P&N with major stupidity. So it stands to reason they'd be stinking up this thread and there for might miss a bunch of posts.

 

[Scarpozzi]

What's your opinion. Do you think it will become much worse? 1-4 death is tragic, but it's still very small.

New case counts are on the rise here. No idea when it will peak, but timing will likely coincide here with the beginning of flu season and cooler weather. Hopefully enough people will have some immunity to curb new cases until a vaccine can help even more.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I facepalmed hard when I saw this on a local FB group:

Does this person even know what "double-blind, placebo-controlled" means? How do you fool a participant with a placebo mask that isn't actually a mask?

So dumb.

You know it's medical because stethoscopes.

 

[sdifox]

I facepalmed hard when I saw this on a local FB group:

Does this person even know what "double-blind, placebo-controlled" means? How do you fool a participant with a placebo mask that isn't actually a mask?

So dumb.

The placebo is the one with an anal probe.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Hopefully we get a vaccine soon. Wearing a face mask in 100 degree weather and high humidity in Texas ..... sucks.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I'm ok with wearing a mask in specific situations like stores etc during the pandemic but I really hope it does not become the norm either.

 

[K1052]

I'm ok with wearing a mask in specific situations like stores etc during the pandemic but I really hope it does not become the norm either.

Masks would also cut flu and cold transmission with vast benefits. People should wear masks when they are sick after this too.

 

[K1052]

What part of "don't allow cruises because ships are ideal outbreak environments" is so difficult to comprehend?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1290023320474267648

 

[Homerboy]

Can you imagine if they had a sign on their lawn?

Actually we have BLM sign(s) and just put up one for a democrat running for state assembly

 

[Homerboy]

It's not the "noticing"

It's the judgmental attitudes.

You have no idea who all will be there.
You have no idea how far apart they will be, if they will wear masks.
You have no idea how protective they will be. How much they will social distance, take temperatures at the door, etc...
You have no idea if every single person there has previously had the virus and are now no longer susceptible.

That's 100% Karen. You're judging them because YOU wouldn't do something. The reality is you have zero clue other than "They are planning to have a gathering of more than 2 people"

Actually I pretty much knew the answers to ALL those questions. These are VERY good friends of ours. Many of the attendees will be mutual friends. I know the size of their yard and house and for that matter how many chairs and tables they have. Hell I helped set some of it up.

For what it's worth, I took a peek at the party on Saturday - yard was packed. Not a single mask. Clearly nobody 6 ft apart.

 

[JEDI]

silly FlatEarthers

 

[PingSpike]

What part of "don't allow cruises because ships are ideal outbreak environments" is so difficult to comprehend?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1290023320474267648

Anyone here been on a cruise? Always sounded awful to me, but I hate everything besides drinking on my couch. We should probably just scuttle all these plague ships.

 

[Ichinisan]

silly FlatEarthers

Let's put this in the Hume thread too

 

[Mai72]

I had thought they had begun wearing masks en masse in Asia starting around the time of SARS around 2003. That would be almost 20 years ago and the mask "habit" never really went away due to ongoing pollution and outbreaks in that part of the world.

Then I was watching a video on Youtube that was made in the 1990s that covered years after the World War II in Asia. There was rampant poverty, disease and destruction in Japan, Korea and China after the war. They showed people trying to get by and you would randomly see people in 1940-1950's Asia wearing face masks.

Hopefully we get a vaccine soon. Wearing a face mask in 100 degree weather and high humidity in Texas ..... sucks.

I wouldn't count on a vaccine this year. Maybe some time in 2021. Will it be effective? Who knows.

I think people are getting their hopes up, and for many they are going to be greatly disappointed. This will more than likely last for a very long time.

Dr. Osterholm: Americans will be living with the coronavirus for decades

On Jan. 20, just nine days after Chinese health authorities published the DNA sequence for a new coronavirus that was causing concern in China, Dr. Michael...

www.marketwatch.com

 

[Mai72]

Again... This will probably be with us for a very long time.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/eve...-dealing-with-this-forever-virus-experts.html

 

[Ichinisan]

I wouldn't count on a vaccine this year. Maybe some time in 2021. Will it be effective? Who knows.

I think people are getting their hopes up, and for many they are going to be greatly disappointed. This will more than likely last for a very long time.

Dr. Osterholm: Americans will be living with the coronavirus for decades

On Jan. 20, just nine days after Chinese health authorities published the DNA sequence for a new coronavirus that was causing concern in China, Dr. Michael...

www.marketwatch.com

That article is just a bit too speculative.

There's no reason to think SARS-CoV-2 will reassort and bypass our resistance the way influenza does. Until there's proof that it will change itself to bypass immunity without losing virulence, I expect we can effectively eradicate it.