NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[s0me0nesmind1]

The things I'm seeing on TV news are very worrying. I can accept people arguing that people are suffering extreme financial hardship and pressures that they are in no shape to deal with. But doing it while obviously engaging in risky behavior in terms or virus spread forces me to believe that they are very badly informed in terms of what's afoot. And doing it with AR15's in hand just reinforces that impression. Many of these people are for the most part acting out, going for the street theater adrenaline thrill of protesting. And their claims that it's a matter of first amendment rights or personal freedom and that the government has no right to ask them to alter their behavior shows that they are sorely lacking in understanding of civic responsibility and governments' role in modern human life.

Hey no worries though, it's just paying your mortgage, car bill, groceries, maintenance, wireless bill, internet bill, credit card bill, utility bill, electric bill, gas bill, etc.... These aren't big-ticket items that if people can't afford would likely result in massive riots because people literally can't eat.

Just stay home and watch Netflix for 6 months while magically affording all those items. I mean, you might get evicted from your house - but only after this is all over. Also, getting in huge ass 3-mile long lines to pickup food at a food pantry (that you desperately hope hasn't run out yet) is totally self-sustainable.

 

[Muse]

The government has the right to ask citizens to do anything it likes and citizens have the right to tell the government to f**k off.

That in itself is mularkey.

 

[killster1]

Who's really obtuse? You came flying into the discussion with your anecdotes and think they magically apply to some large number of people. If you want to have an informed conversation, it should be grounded in data, not some bullshit anecdotes about some deadbeat roommates and the guy you once saw doing some random thing.

i love how you say a informed conversation but this whole thing started because you told me i was wrong about illegal's getting stimulus checks, now you say im wrong about ALOT of people trading / selling food stamps, OF COURSE NOT ALL FOR DRUGS, some spend the money other ways but its A LOT. i have seen it 100's of times and im not around bad people or at the grocery store a lot, or even live in a big city. if you paid attention at the check out you would see people using their food stamp cards for items that are not needed (or not their own) they should deliver food to these people, like bread meat cheese salad, i would be so happy if that was the case. i even witnessed the owner of the local gas station buying food with a card he had traded for gasoline. you are hilarious to think its not common and you want "hard data with exact numbers before you believe", just continue in life with your eyes shut.

 

[shortylickens]

That in itself is mularkey.

Not even close.
Its extremely civilized.
Its a much more civilized way of doing things than other systems, where people are forced at gunpoint, or they storm the castle and hang their royalty.

 

[Sgt. York]

That in itself is mularkey.

You seem to be under the impression that the people work for the government. In my world and under the Constitution, the government works for the people.

 

[manly]

Yes, that one person you "saw" is representative of all people on welfare. Right....

killster1 is an obvious bullshitter. Aren't SNAP benefits mostly loaded to EBT debit card? Unclear how he makes a wild claim that Gucci-wearing Escalade-driving citizens are enabling junkies to game the system. What's the play here, I give a junkie cash once he buys my cart of groceries? How could this possibly be commonplace?

A 2017 USDA report pegs SNAP fraud at about 1.5% of program cost:
https://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/27901-0002-13.pdf

If you read between the lines, he's apparently an employee at some type of detention center. In all likelihood, he's unionized and at least indirectly gets paid by the state and its taxpayers. Small gubment types often lament their own tax dollars being wasted, but conveniently ignore they are also a beneficiary of government spending in many ways, direct or indirect.

 

[killster1]

Not meant to be funny, have you been a victim of identity theft?

i havnt got anything either, checks will be mailed out starting last wednesday if you dont do direct deposit with IRS.

 

[killster1]

killster1 is an obvious bullshitter. Aren't SNAP benefits mostly loaded to EBT debit card? Unclear how he makes a wild claim that Gucci-wearing Escalade-driving citizens are enabling junkies to game the system. What's the play here, I give a junkie cash once he buys my cart of groceries? How could this possibly be commonplace?

A 2017 USDA report pegs SNAP fraud at about 1.5% of program cost:
https://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/27901-0002-13.pdf

If you read between the lines, he's apparently an employee at some type of detention center. In all likelihood, he's unionized and at least indirectly gets paid by the state and its taxpayers. Small gubment types often lament their own tax dollars being wasted, but conveniently ignore they are also a beneficiary of government spending in many ways, direct or indirect.

you realize 3 other people have said they have witnessed the same thing first hand right?

you dont understand how a credit card works? no one could possibly lend it out in exchange for $$? the escalade driving rich person using the food stamps did not sell the card for $$ but instead purchased soda's to resell in a business (my assumption) or they dont actually need food so they just drink soda all day (was a whole shopping cart filled to the top with bottles of soda). what ever the case soda should not be a item allowed to purchase with the eb cards. Im all for helping people but the system is being abused and abused enough for almost everyone to first hand witness it. (unless they are clueless in life and dont observe their surroundings which i guess happens often)

 

[brianmanahan]

soda isn't a real thing

it's called pop

 

[shortylickens]

soda isn't a real thing

it's called pop

If your opinion was worth a shit you'd have more upvotes.

 

[Svnla]

The things I'm seeing on TV news are very worrying. I can accept people arguing that people are suffering extreme financial hardship and pressures that they are in no shape to deal with. But doing it while obviously engaging in risky behavior in terms or virus spread forces me to believe that they are very badly informed in terms of what's afoot. And doing it with AR15's in hand just reinforces that impression. Many of these people are for the most part acting out, going for the street theater adrenaline thrill of protesting. And their claims that it's a matter of first amendment rights or personal freedom and that the government has no right to ask them to alter their behavior shows that they are sorely lacking in understanding of civic responsibility and governments' role in modern human life.

See the last part of your post (bold and underline). Does that apply equally to everyone or just a select few? You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite, right? Like how in this thread, you claimed only losers blame others while you blamed Trump and GOP and everything else under the sun for this virus in this very own thread (and I haven't included the P&N forum).

 

[IronWing]

You seem to be under the impression that the people work for the government. In my world and under the Constitution, the government works for the people.

Actually, I think your statement was malarkey (lachrymal*) because the government clearly doesn't have a right to ask citizens to do anything it likes. People still have the right to tell the government to fuck off though.




*Firefox offers lachrymal as the correction to malarkey. WTF?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Actually, I think your statement was malarkey (lachrymal*) because the government clearly doesn't have a right to ask citizens to do anything it likes. People still have the right to tell the government to fuck off though.




*Firefox offers lachrymal as the correction to malarkey. WTF?

They did during Vietnam. History has shown that when it comes right down to it, whoever has the biggest stick gets to tell everyone else what to do.

I agree with you in principal, but in practice the people have very little power until they start cutting heads off.

 

[Muse]

See the last part of your post (bold and underline). Does that apply equally to everyone or just a select few? You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite, right? Like how in this thread, you claimed only losers blame others while you blamed Trump and GOP and everything else under the sun for this virus in this very own thread (and I haven't included the P&N forum).

Gee, I'm whiffing here. Where and how did I make phantom blaming you're complaining about? What's blaming the GOP for screwing up USA response to the crisis have to do with fools' dismissal of the government's role in dealing with what others fail to?

 

[Kaido]

You can now volunteer to get coronavirus to be part of an experiment.

Hundreds of Canadians willing to be infected with coronavirus to speed vaccine research

Hundreds of Canadians have volunteered to get infected with COVID-19 to test out possible vaccines. Some scientists say the approach could accelerate the search for a vaccine, but others worry that enough isn’t known to warrant these risky studies just yet.

www.ctvnews.ca

I would do it if there was a good incentive, like maybe wave all my taxes for a couple years or something.

Taking a logical approach - and this sounds horrible written out - but I'd totally be willing to do it:

1. I'd imagine everyone will get exposed to COVID-19 at some point; with this, you could get infected on purpose & get it over with & potentially be immune to the coronavirus
2. You'd be under the care of a health network with doctors, nurses, IV's, intubators, etc.; again, assuming everyone will get it at some point, it'd be a lot nicer to have a team in place, ready to go to help you, plus your symptoms & personal physical reactions are going to be the same whether you do it now or later (or potentially even worse later, if you get a worse-mutated strain)
3. It would help speed up the research

So in light of that...you could get injected & move on with your life, or else potentially spend the next 18 months camping out at home, waiting for a vaccine that may or may not show up.

 

[Kaido]

I didn't realize how deep your nose-hole is until I watched Cuomo get swabbed. Nope, nope, just let me die in peace thanks:

Watch New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo take Covid-19 test during live briefing - CNN Video

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo got a coronavirus test during his daily news briefing, saying "it is so fast and so easy that even the governor can take this test."

www.cnn.com

 

[brianmanahan]

I didn't realize how deep your nose-hole is until I watched Cuomo get swabbed. Nope, nope, just let me die in peace thanks:

Watch New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo take Covid-19 test during live briefing - CNN Video

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo got a coronavirus test during his daily news briefing, saying "it is so fast and so easy that even the governor can take this test."

www.cnn.com

yeah i had to go to the doctor for some sinus pain a few months ago

and when he busted out some nasal anesthetic i realized i'd made a terrible mistake

(actually it was fine though, just felt weird with him poking around in my nose with a 6 inch stick)

 

[sdifox]

yeah i had to go to the doctor for some sinus pain a few months ago

and when he busted out some nasal anesthetic i realized i'd made a terrible mistake

(actually it was fine though, just felt weird with him poking around in my nose with a 6 inch stick)

Trust me, getting an injection through tear duct is far scarier. Syringe towards your eye.

 

[Svnla]

Gee, I'm whiffing here. Where and how did I make phantom blaming you're complaining about? What's blaming the GOP for screwing up USA response to the crisis have to do with fools' dismissal of the government's role in dealing with what others fail to?

Phantom you said? Amnesia, eh?

Here is just one of many examples from this thread alone. This post is not even from me but another poster called you out - https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...navirus-thread.2575795/page-208#post-40111619 and this - https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...navirus-thread.2575795/page-172#post-40103746 and much more blame from you in this thread to list them all.


And you have the audacity to say this "Only an idiot would pay any attention to finger pointers" - https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...navirus-thread.2575795/page-152#post-40099969 and "How the fuck is blaming gonna help? We don't have time for that "... https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...navirus-thread.2575795/page-150#post-40099444

Do as you say and not as you do, eh? So again, my question will be (as I already asked you above) should civic responsibility and government roles apply equally to everyone or just a selective few? Yes or No?

 

[brianmanahan]

Syringe towards your eye.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I imagine the test is not comfortable but yeah it looks pretty quick and easy at least the swabbing part. The part that happens in the lab is more involved.

I remember having a scope put through my nose once to look at my throat, that was definitely weird lol. It was funny since the doctor was really fast, I think that was maybe for the best. "Ok so I'm just going to put this down your nose" by the time he said it he already had like 6 inches of line in there lol.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

yeah i had to go to the doctor for some sinus pain a few months ago

and when he busted out some nasal anesthetic i realized i'd made a terrible mistake

(actually it was fine though, just felt weird with him poking around in my nose with a 6 inch stick)

Totally recommend anyone who has ever had issues breathing nasally to see if you have a deviated septum. Best surgery evar.

 

[Kaido]

yeah i had to go to the doctor for some sinus pain a few months ago

and when he busted out some nasal anesthetic i realized i'd made a terrible mistake

(actually it was fine though, just felt weird with him poking around in my nose with a 6 inch stick)

Dude, just thinking about that gives me the ol' Dimetapp full-body shudder hahaha

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

So in light of that...you could get injected & move on with your life, or else potentially spend the next 18 months camping out at home, waiting for a vaccine that may or may not show up.

I'd give up almost anything to be guaranteed the next 18mo at home with my family.

 

[brianmanahan]

Totally recommend anyone who has ever had issues breathing nasally to see if you have a deviated septum. Best surgery evar.

actually the doctor was like "do you know you have a deviated septum?" i had no clue, and it doesn't seem to cause problems as far as i can tell.

maybe it is annoying since i do mostly breathe by mouth, but that seems insignificant compared to all my other problems...