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K1052

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Better yet why cant they donate it all away at least? Serious question.

What its going to cost you money to transport it? Well then fuck you for wasting food that literally millions would greatly appreciate.

I'm going to blame the Department of Agriculture on this one. They could have set up a program to do this but are only now getting around to it, sort of. Farmers would have gotten paid and people would get fed. The easiest win-win. Instead Perdue sat on his fat ass or worse decided not to do anything because it would displease the Orange One's narrative that everything is/will be soon fine. He announced action then did basically nothing until recently.
 

Jon-T

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Better yet why cant they donate it all away at least? Serious question.

What its going to cost you money to transport it? Well then fuck you for wasting food that literally millions would greatly appreciate.

Donate a thousands of live pigs?

What are you going a do when an 18 wheeler shows up and lets 100+ live hogs loose in your front yard? How many people are capable of processing pigs.

The slaughterhouses are backed up. The oldest pigs are getting to big and old for them to process when the backlog does clear and the next generation will be ready to go to market once space is available.
 
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Red Squirrel

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I'm sure hunters and people who are used to processing a full animal would buy/take them.

Though, this comes to show how much waste there really is in this capitalist economy where everything is done in such huge scales that always grows with no plan to stop. Nobody (except for the poor who always had limited access) is running out of food right now, yet there is all this surplus that they don't know what to do with. So really it probably goes to waste under normal circumstances too just at a different stage.
 

Red Squirrel

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Even cats know what's up.


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Ichinisan

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I'm not sure i understand, why kill off livestock? Farmers dumping milk, plowing under crops i can at least see... those will rot. Can't they just hang on to the cows, pigs, whatever till they can sell them?

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From the article you quoted:

After about 10 1/2 months, pigs are usually over 300 pounds and are risky for meatpacking workers to push along the line. Farmers can try to keep their pigs under 300 pounds for a bit longer by making them eat less, either by holding them in an environment that causes them to eat less, adding chemicals to their food to make it less appetizing, or cutting back on the amount they are fed.
 

Artorias

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Donate a thousands of live pigs?

What are you going a do when an 18 wheeler shows up and lets 100+ live hogs loose in your front yard? How many people are capable of processing pigs.

The slaughterhouses are backed up. The oldest pigs are getting to big and old for them to process when the backlog does clear and the next generation will be ready to go to market once space is available.

I was thinking more about liquids such as milk. Must not be that hard to give away? Yeah I don't know what you would do with 100's of live animals, isn't there some tiger zoo thats re-opening? Haha
 

mopardude87

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sorry at my work. in california at a hospital for bad people.

Thanks for putting yourself on the front lines for the rest of us, your awesome!:beercheers: May good karma return to you 3x fold for your services. I couldn't fathom seeing people in such ways :(

When you mean bad people, like a mental hospital or a hospital with tons of cases of this THING going around?
 

killster1

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Thanks for putting yourself on the front lines for the rest of us, your awesome!:beercheers: May good karma return to you 3x fold for your services. I couldn't fathom seeing people in such ways :(

When you mean bad people, like a mental hospital or a hospital with tons of cases of this THING going around?
like a prison, its surrounded by razor wire etc. Guess its front lines but funny they are talking about taking 10% of our pay or forcing furlough days.. (dont really care but id rather have furlough days) i hear they even gave stimulus checks to illegal aliens no wonder we are going to get pay messed with ha. damn democrats giving away all the money.
 

highland145

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like a prison, its surrounded by razor wire etc. Guess its front lines but funny they are talking about taking 10% of our pay or forcing furlough days.. (dont really care but id rather have furlough days) i hear they even gave stimulus checks to illegal aliens no wonder we are going to get pay messed with ha. damn democrats giving away all the money.
You and hospital workers since normal shit shut down.
 

mopardude87

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like a prison, its surrounded by razor wire etc. Guess its front lines but funny they are talking about taking 10% of our pay or forcing furlough days.. (dont really care but id rather have furlough days) i hear they even gave stimulus checks to illegal aliens no wonder we are going to get pay messed with ha. damn democrats giving away all the money.

Front lines in my eyes is you having to mix with people you have to as its your job. Your a hero in my book given your a essential. Sorry about the paycut ouch. :(
 

destrekor

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Fuck this part of the current situation the most. I'm sure the dairy farmer side of my family will know some so deeply affected. Routinely dumping loads of milk is just as hard as culling herds for whatever the reason -- those are the money and lifeblood of the operation after all.

The unfortunate reality is that rural America should now be realizing they need the urban centers to sustain their livelihood as , while urban America should be realizing that the rural plight is just as much their plight. No pandemic needed, but it certainly speaks the message obnoxiously, beating the dead horse to a pulp. Unfortunately politicians will always find ways to keep us divided by manipulating our emotions. :(

Yeah seems odd they need to dump them. Can't afford to feed them with lack of revenue I guess? And yeah there really needs to be better laws when it comes to food and items in general, companies should be allowed to donate extra, and even encouraged to. But with the way things are now there's too much liability BS involved.

Revenue is partly it, but animal suffering can also be a real concern.
First we have to recognize these are carefully orchestrated operations, be they a family farmer with a modest operation with a couple hundred heads, to the massive CAFOs (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations) which would likely mean 2500+ pigs. Regardless whether they grow their own feed or purchase in bulk amounts, they aren't likely to have enough on hand to feed animals longer than they had ever planned. And because feed that isn't used relatively promptly can mean wasted resources that have to be dumped, this won't be something that can be fixed or for plans to be adjusted. It's the nature of the operations - it's quite equivalent to "Just In Time" logistics. It's costly to feed hundreds if not thousands of animals, and more difficult is that the farm likely has a steady stream of piglets, calves, etc to keep an efficient operation running... this makes space a concern.

If it were only a handful of farms, there are logistics/means to move that much product for donation or whatever. But when it's practically all the farms, then even the small town butchers will be unable to process all those animals in a region (for, say, frozen meat back home or getting it out to others) and again the logistics of getting all of a given area's meat supply to customers directly just doesn't exist. And there's also the fact that the restaurant (bulk) and home (consumer) markets apparently maintain separate supply chains; I've heard this isn't the norm but on that I've little knowledge.

Also, you have this weird obsession with liability and regulations in your recent posts. These various regulations in place tend to be because of food safety lessons we've learned over the years -- safety issues that, if glossed over, could mean more needless deaths.
 
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i hear they even gave stimulus checks to illegal aliens no wonder we are going to get pay messed with ha. damn democrats giving away all the money.
You should really update where you get your info from. The recent stimulus checks went to only people with SSNs.
 

mopardude87

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You should really update where you get your info from. The recent stimulus checks went to only people with SSNs.

I haven't kept up on tabs but the gov of California was trying to pass something where illegals also got $500 each. I try and stay out of politics but it was worth a mention. He may be talking about this, i got no idea if it actually pans out for all of them or not or how this works.

 

killster1

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You should really update where you get your info from. The recent stimulus checks went to only people with SSNs.

maybe you should check where you get your information from!
i know some people on unemployment getting 4,000$ a month, pretty cool ehh? im not hurting for money and i wouldnt mind even taking 30 days no pay off work ;) but 10% pay cut when we havnt even got the raises we where promised long ago sucks.
 
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Red Squirrel

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No new cases in my region in a few days now. We sit at around 64 or so if I recall. We did have a few deaths though.

I really think they need to start lifting restrictions on a per region basis and just restrict travel in/out. If you have a given area that has zero cases for weeks then there is no reason they can't go back to normal, just don't let people in or out of that region. Only allow essentials like supply trucks.
 

killster1

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No new cases in my region in a few days now. We sit at around 64 or so if I recall. We did have a few deaths though.

I really think they need to start lifting restrictions on a per region basis and just restrict travel in/out. If you have a given area that has zero cases for weeks then there is no reason they can't go back to normal, just don't let people in or out of that region. Only allow essentials like supply trucks.
that would be perfect in a communist state. but good luck blocking travel in and out of "regions" hahahahah another great idea from red squirrel. who will be policing the check points you propose to install? how many check points would this take?
 

mopardude87

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but 10% pay cut when we havnt even got the raises we where promised long ago sucks.

I think once you sign on to a job, you should NEVER accept a pay cut. Idk how that even works or how that would be legal without some sort of backfire. People messing with your lively hood man. I wouldn't blame a person for starting a riot over this shit.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I think once you sign on to a job, you should NEVER accept a pay cut. Idk how that even works or how that would be legal without some sort of backfire. People messing with your lively hood man. I wouldn't blame a person for starting a riot over this shit.

In these cases, the alternative to not accepting a pay cut is to be let go. Which is preferable in this economy?
 
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