NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Ichinisan]

It's ironic that you use the word entitled, given that you've single-handedly decided that human lives simply aren't worth enough to keep fucking furniture stores closed.

If your complaint is the lack of funds, look to the government that should be providing assistance right now, don't blame the people already in bad shape.

Also, stop being a coward. Call out those with the responsibility, don't just take the easy way out and call for the deaths of millions so the dow goes up another few percent.

I'm reminded of this:

 

[Svnla]

Remember when you use third party delivery apps, the restaurants would have to pay a lot of fees to those apps companies, cut down their profit margins a lot. That's why I pick my orders up myself at the drive through or pick up area. Our local Whataburger restaurants were packed in the drive through, even late at night (past 11 p.m.).

This is how much restaurants really make when you order from Grubhub or Uber Eats

A viral post raised several important questions about whether third-party apps truly help or hurt struggling restaurants.

news.yahoo.com

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Remember when you use third party delivery apps, the restaurants would have to pay a lot of fees to those apps companies, cut down their profit margins a lot. That's why I pick my orders up myself at the drive through or pick up area. Our local Whataburger restaurants were packed in the drive through, even late at night (past 11 p.m.).

This is how much restaurants really make when you order from Grubhub or Uber Eats

A viral post raised several important questions about whether third-party apps truly help or hurt struggling restaurants.

news.yahoo.com

Yeah i think this stuff is a no-brainer.

If you want to pickup food, just call and pickup... especially if you know what restaurant you want.

A lot of places (especially local) don't have the balls to try and handle the logistics of delivery orders - thus why they would have to rely on ubereats, grubhub, etc...

Ultimately - It's definitely a service that needed to be had... Plenty of people want delivery food, but the restaurant themselves don't offer that service.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Remember when you use third party delivery apps, the restaurants would have to pay a lot of fees to those apps companies, cut down their profit margins a lot. That's why I pick my orders up myself at the drive through or pick up area. Our local Whataburger restaurants were packed in the drive through, even late at night (past 11 p.m.).

I found that a lot of those third-party services really do a poor job. Sometimes you can't customize your order, for example.

 

[brianmanahan]

as loathe as i am to admit it, i did find their video making fun of tariffs set to havana pretty catchy LOL

 

[JEDI]

 

[Exterous]

Reopening seems to come with challenges I don't think we, as a country, are well equipped yet or organized enough to handle well

COVID-19 resurges in reopened countries; Wuhan sees first cluster in a month

China ordered all Wuhan residents get tested for COVID-19—that’s ~11 million people.

arstechnica.com

 

[sdifox]

South Korea, Hong Kong, and Taiwan would seem to argue that isn't the case.

If you can get North Americans to obey the drastic measures them Asian places have taken, maybe.

 

[K1052]

Reopening seems to come with challenges I don't think we, as a country, are well equipped yet or organized enough to handle well

COVID-19 resurges in reopened countries; Wuhan sees first cluster in a month

China ordered all Wuhan residents get tested for COVID-19—that’s ~11 million people.

arstechnica.com

11 million tests in 10 days in one city. We're patting ourselves on the back for 300K per day nationally. American exceptionalism isn't what it used to be.

 

[Ichinisan]

Reopening seems to come with challenges I don't think we, as a country, are well equipped yet or organized enough to handle well

COVID-19 resurges in reopened countries; Wuhan sees first cluster in a month

China ordered all Wuhan residents get tested for COVID-19—that’s ~11 million people.

arstechnica.com

The thing is, we can't trust that China ever beat it. They continued to suppress confirmed cases even as businesses reopened.

 

[K1052]

If you can get North Americans to obey the drastic measures them Asian places have taken, maybe.

10M people could die and we'd still get interviews from "real America" about how they should liberate the Cracker Barrel. No, we don't realistically have that in us. Rather than blame things like transit or dense cities some introspection about the choices we've made and what we are willing to accept is more worthwhile.

 

[CZroe]

11 million tests in 10 days in one city. We're patting ourselves on the back for 300K per day nationally. American exceptionalism isn't what it used to be.

One reason the rest of the world's testing capacity was set back was because the tests from China were so unreliable (near worthless) they were rejected/returned.

Heck, they probably expected to sell those.

 

[K1052]

One reason the rest of the world's testing capacity was set back was because the tests from China were so unreliable (near worthless) they were rejected/returned.

Heck, they probably expected to sell those.

Many of the antibody tests were junk. The FDA went too far in allowing unverified lateral flow tests on the market. The PCR tests we needed (still need more of) are a different supply chain.

 

[CZroe]

Many of the antibody tests were junk. The FDA went too far in allowing unverified lateral flow tests on the market. The PCR tests we needed (still need more of) are a different supply chain.

Yesthat explains the bad antibody tests which weren't foisted upon the world without catching the problem.

The bad Chinese tests that nations around the world are returning, refusing delivery, and requesting refunds for were not antibody tests.

 

[Muse]

I guess I'm mostly wondering why China (1.39 billion population) & India (1.35 billion population) have been hit less, at least publicly. China has under 5,000 COVID deaths and India has under 3,000. America is 1/3 the size and has 80,000. Pakistan isn't too far behind us in size (212 million), but have less than 700 deaths.

And Japan, which is 3x as as densely-populated as Europe & 12x as densely-populated as America, has less than 1,000 COVID-related deaths. Is it genetics? Social distancing? Do we have any kind of official answer at this time?

IMO...

1. China has taken to lying about their cases and deaths. Totally. If truth were out, they had (maybe still do) the most deaths. Now, maybe India has. I can't believe that India has 3000 only. Maybe 100x that... I'm thinking they probably don't have a handle on what's going on.

2. Pakistan probably is worse than India in terms of reporting and having their finger on the pulse of the pandemic there.

3. Japan is way in advance of most of Asia technologically and socially. They are less forthcoming than Korea (and Taiwan) because of the Olympics issue early on. But they probably realized early (like Korea) that testing and contact tracing and, of course, social distancing, were key.

 

[K1052]

Yesthat explains the bad antibody tests which weren't foisted upon the world without catching the problem.

The bad Chinese tests that nations around the world are returning, refusing delivery, and requesting refunds for were not antibody tests.

To my knowledge they were all antibody tests. It's possible they shipped some bad test collection kits for PCR but I haven't seen that.

 

[nakedfrog]

I was at Walmart two days ago, the number of mask-wearers has dropped precipitously (even among employees )
At Aldi, 90%+ people were wearing masks.

 

[snoopy7548]

I was at Walmart two days ago, the number of mask-wearers has dropped precipitously (even among employees )
At Aldi, 90%+ people were wearing masks.

I had a dream last night that I went into a Wal-Mart and nobody was wearing a mask.

 

[JEDI]

 

[manly]

Many of the antibody tests were junk. The FDA went too far in allowing unverified lateral flow tests on the market. The PCR tests we needed (still need more of) are a different supply chain.

It's funny how it's usually the same few guys banging the "blame China" and/or "USA is best in class in Covid-19 testing" drums. Reality is that the common PCR test was developed and published by Germans in late January, and the CDC chose to make a more accurate test for the U.S. that ultimately squandered all of February.

 

[Scarpozzi]

I book my vacations pretty far out. I've got a trip planned to hit the coast in 2 weeks that I paid for back in 2018.

I phoned the resort and they're planning on opening up their swimming pools in 5 days, as safely as possible. I've been on the fence about going, because my kids will try to spend time at the pool. The resort has 4 buildings, with 3-4 stories per building and 4 rooms per floor (all 3BR units) I figure there's about 64 units total and they'll be running 50-75% capacity. Social distancing is possible. I'll schedule a grocery pickup and cook in the room.

Anyone else gonna travel, despite the various lockdowns? Am I nuts for keeping up with my plans?

 

[K1052]

It's funny how it's usually the same few guys banging the "blame China" and/or "USA is best in class in Covid-19 testing" drums. Reality is that the common PCR test was developed and published by Germans in late January, and the CDC chose to make a more accurate test for the U.S. that ultimately squandered all of February.

Yes, the government wasted so much time that could have been well used to prevent this disaster. The Chinese lied of course but the decision not to protect ourselves was entirely one of our own choosing...or rather the choosing of the wildly dysfunctional government in power.

 

[K1052]

Anyone else gonna travel, despite the various lockdowns? Am I nuts for keeping up with my plans?

Nope. Not going anywhere until I've got a vaccine in me, figuring spring 2021 best case scenario.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I book my vacations pretty far out. I've got a trip planned to hit the coast in 2 weeks that I paid for back in 2018.

I phoned the resort and they're planning on opening up their swimming pools in 5 days, as safely as possible. I've been on the fence about going, because my kids will try to spend time at the pool. The resort has 4 buildings, with 3-4 stories per building and 4 rooms per floor (all 3BR units) I figure there's about 64 units total and they'll be running 50-75% capacity. Social distancing is possible. I'll schedule a grocery pickup and cook in the room.

Anyone else gonna travel, despite the various lockdowns? Am I nuts for keeping up with my plans?

I would travel if i were single and/or I had a wife that wasn't scared of this stuff.... Like... tons... I would by flying out and going all over right now.

But with 2 kids wife is just over-protective (for obvious reasons - first kid was born 3 months premature).

I'm honestly surprised the resort is even open with employees working....

Also I would totally see if you can cancel and re-book at lower rates...

 

[Kaido]

I book my vacations pretty far out. I've got a trip planned to hit the coast in 2 weeks that I paid for back in 2018.

I phoned the resort and they're planning on opening up their swimming pools in 5 days, as safely as possible. I've been on the fence about going, because my kids will try to spend time at the pool. The resort has 4 buildings, with 3-4 stories per building and 4 rooms per floor (all 3BR units) I figure there's about 64 units total and they'll be running 50-75% capacity. Social distancing is possible. I'll schedule a grocery pickup and cook in the room.

Anyone else gonna travel, despite the various lockdowns? Am I nuts for keeping up with my plans?

Wow, I've never heard of anyone doing it out years ahead of time, how does that all work? Do you save a lot & kind of lock in a package deal or something?