NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Jon-T]

80,000 dead in America

Has there been any explanation as to why America has more than 2x as many deaths than other countries?

It's fuckin huge?

US population about 360 million with 80,000 dead

Let's grab a few hard hit countries from Europe

UK population 66 million 31,587 dead
Italy population 60 million 30,395 dead
France population 67 million 26,310 dead
Spain population 47 million 26,478 dead

for a total of 240 million people with a total of 114,000 dead.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 138,024,148 Cases and 2,972,039 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

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[gill77]

80,000 dead in America

Has there been any explanation as to why America has more than 2x as many deaths than other countries?

About all I have heard is the degree of connectivity. A while back they were saying that the EU had more, trying to balance the population factor.

I am still amazed at the degree of uncertainty for just about every aspect of this virus. You would think at this point things would start to firm up. It seems the opposite.

 

[Kaido]

It's huge?

US population about 360 million with 80,000 dead

Let's grab a few hard hit countries from Europe

UK population 66 million 31,587 dead
Italy population 60 million 30,395 dead
France population 67 million 26,310 dead
Spain population 47 million 26,478 dead

for a total of 240 million people with a total of 114,000 dead.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 138,024,148 Cases and 2,972,039 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

I guess I'm mostly wondering why China (1.39 billion population) & India (1.35 billion population) have been hit less, at least publicly. China has under 5,000 COVID deaths and India has under 3,000. America is 1/3 the size and has 80,000. Pakistan isn't too far behind us in size (212 million), but have less than 700 deaths.

And Japan, which is 3x as as densely-populated as Europe & 12x as densely-populated as America, has less than 1,000 COVID-related deaths. Is it genetics? Social distancing? Do we have any kind of official answer at this time?

 

[Spacehead]

Assuming all the numbers are correct, & i know that's a huge assumption, my first guess(s) would be unhealthier population, poor management(Fed, state, local, blame who you want) & people not taking this serious enough in general. Not necessarily in that order.

Could also be in how deaths are counted by each country. Lots of scenarios.

 

[Svnla]

In other news, lowlife scumbags left trash at the beach in FL. How much you say? How about 13,000 lbs?

Returning beachgoers left 13,000 pounds of trash on Florida's Cocoa Beach, prompting crackdown

 

[IronWing]

In other news, lowlife scumbags left trash at the beach in FL. How much you say? How about 13,000 lbs?

Returning beachgoers left 13,000 pounds of trash on Florida's Cocoa Beach, prompting crackdown

Yeppers. Our local national forest put out a special plea for people to kindly stop being such pigs.

 

[Jon-T]

I guess I'm mostly wondering why China (1.39 billion population) & India (1.35 billion population) have been hit less, at least publicly. China has under 5,000 COVID deaths and India has under 3,000. America is 1/3 the size and has 80,000. Pakistan isn't too far behind us in size (212 million), but have less than 700 deaths.

And Japan, which is 3x as as densely-populated as Europe & 12x as densely-populated as America, has less than 1,000 COVID-related deaths. Is it genetics? Social distancing? Do we have any kind of official answer at this time?

For the other side of the world there is something different going on there.

Wild idea from a crazy guy time.

Think back to the invention of the vaccine, smallpox and cowpox. It was noticed that people who had been infected with cowpox were immune to smallpox. So they started infecting people with the harmless to human cowpox virus.

Could there be some Covid-19 related virus floating around that is harmless to humans but grants immunity to the deadly strain?

 

[Kaido]

About all I have heard is the degree of connectivity. A while back they were saying that the EU had more, trying to balance the population factor.

I am still amazed at the degree of uncertainty for just about every aspect of this virus. You would think at this point things would start to firm up. It seems the opposite.

COVID toes, blood clots, heart attacks, amputation, and most recently, possible toxic-shock deaths from inflammation as a result in COVID in children. This thing is bananas for sure

 

[DrunkenSano]

I guess I'm mostly wondering why China (1.39 billion population) & India (1.35 billion population) have been hit less, at least publicly. China has under 5,000 COVID deaths and India has under 3,000. America is 1/3 the size and has 80,000. Pakistan isn't too far behind us in size (212 million), but have less than 700 deaths.

And Japan, which is 3x as as densely-populated as Europe & 12x as densely-populated as America, has less than 1,000 COVID-related deaths. Is it genetics? Social distancing? Do we have any kind of official answer at this time?

China's numbers are full of shit and their government lies like there is no tomorrow. There were many, many corpses burned in crematoriums that were not counted as COVID-19 deaths because the people died in their homes and not in hospitals, so they were not tested positive with COVID-19, their death certificates would just say pneumonia. Also, China needs to make numbers up so their government officials can save face.

Japan is odd, from what I have seen they have not been testing very much. What they are doing is very different from countries like South Korea and Taiwan who have been extremely successful due to very, very aggressive testing and public information sharing.

 

[CZroe]

Assuming all the numbers are correct, & i know that's a huge assumption, my first guess(s) would be unhealthier population, poor management(Fed, state, local, blame who you want) & people not taking this serious enough in general. Not necessarily in that order.

Could also be in how deaths are counted by each country. Lots of scenarios.

Visibility is another big reason. Better healthcare system than many places and more testing.

 

[ultimatebob]

Yeah. That's had me puzzled. It seems that we've been operating on the assumption that we can just make a vaccine like we do for flu. The explanation we keep hearing for the lack of a SARS vaccine was that research dollars dried up after people stopped dying so several promising vaccine research projects were shelved, but that doesn't explain why we don't have one for MERS 8 years after it broke out.

Earlier in the thread I questioned why there wasn't one for MERS if we take it for granted that we can make one for this. I mean, MERS is already endemic and very deadly.

Considering that the flu vaccine is about 50% effective on a good year, I don't really have high hopes on the first batch of Coronavirus vaccines working all that well.

 

[Ichinisan]

Considering that the flu vaccine is about 50% effective on a good year, I don't really have high hopes on the first batch of Coronavirus vaccines working all that well.

Ugh. We are talking in circles.

"50%" because they look at dozens of flu strains and produce vaccines based on a guess about which strains are expected to be the most prevalent in the next 6 months or so. Sometimes their educated guesses are more wrong than other times.

Flu vaccines are for multiple strains, specifically ignoring some strains that aren't expected to be prevalent in the next 6 months or so.

A SARS-COV-2 vaccine would likely be effective for all known strains, because the virus hasn't been in people long enough to diversify the way flu has.

 

[ultimatebob]

Ugh. We are talking in circles.

50% of dozens of strains.

Aren't there multiple strains of COVID-19? I thought that they've already seen some regional mutations of it.

 

[Ichinisan]

Aren't there multiple strains of COVID-19? I thought that they've already seen some regional mutations of it.

I haven't heard of anything new that fundamentally changes the spike protein or significantly alters the virulence or symptoms. One vaccine is likely to be effective against all current SARS-COV-2 infections.

However, nothing is certain. There could be significantly different strains we don't know about yet. They can't sequence the genome of everyone who tests positive.

 

[gill77]

Aren't there multiple strains of COVID-19? I thought that they've already seen some regional mutations of it.

Absolutely.

About the only disagreement is what should be classified as a "strain".

I see that as a semantics battle. The key is when will the vaccine be ready to deploy and how effective will it be against the virus at that point in time.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

In other news, lowlife scumbags left trash at the beach in FL. How much you say? How about 13,000 lbs?

Returning beachgoers left 13,000 pounds of trash on Florida's Cocoa Beach, prompting crackdown

I remember reading headlines about folks who were protesting building of those pipelines on "tribal land" not too long back and they were camping out doing protests... At the end of it, they left shitloads of trash everywhere.

I can see they cared about the environment, derp.

People are such shitbags. I'm an asshole, but if there is one thing that has stuck in my head althroughout my life it's that I don't ever want to be a burden on anyone. No one should ever have to support me or clean up my messes. Picking up your trash is just 2nd-grade level teachings that people just apparently aren't getting? I honestly don't have an explanation as to why people are such inconsiderable pieces of shit.

 

[ponyo]

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-52594023

UK to require 14-day quarantine for air passengers. South Korea also requires 14-day quarantine. Who's going to air travel with these kinds of restrictions? No business travelers will go if they have to be locked up in their hotel room for 2 weeks unable to leave. Same for leisure travelers.

 

[Spacehead]

In other news, lowlife scumbags left trash at the beach in FL. How much you say? How about 13,000 lbs?

Returning beachgoers left 13,000 pounds of trash on Florida's Cocoa Beach, prompting crackdown

Yeppers. Our local national forest put out a special plea for people to kindly stop being such pigs.

Maybe the Chinese had it right after all... bear bite is the answer. They were just using it on the wrong symptom.

 

[Spacehead]

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-52594023

UK to require 14-day quarantine for air passengers. South Korea also requires 14-day quarantine. Who's going to air travel with these kinds of restrictions? No business travelers will go if they have to be locked up in their hotel room for 2 weeks unable to leave. Same for leisure travelers.

People arriving in the UK would have to self-isolate at a private residence.

Still many details to iron out with this but, you fly in, then what? Take a cab or bus to your hotel, rented room/house, whatever? If they want a quarantine something should be set-up right at the airport or have special transportation set-up to take people where they need to go.

Is there going to be much leisure travel to other countries for awhile???

 

[Svnla]

In other news, employees in the US and developing countries are having it bad. Imagine if you are low paying workers (less than $4 USD/day) in poor countries.

The coronavirus pandemic has led factories to furlough or lay off more than half of the country's nearly 4.1 million garment workers, according to estimates from the Bangladesh Garment Manufacturers and Exporters Association (BGMEA). Like Akther, most of them are women, and the roughly $110 they earn every month is often their families' only source of money.

Bangladeshi garment workers face ruin as global brands ditch clothing contracts amid coronavirus pandemic | CNN Business

When Fatema Akther arrived for work at the Alif Casual Wear garment factory in Dhaka in late March, she had no idea it would be her last day.

www.cnn.com

 

[ponyo]

Still many details to iron out with this but, you fly in, then what? Take a cab or bus to your hotel, rented room/house, whatever? If they want a quarantine something should be set-up right at the airport or have special transportation set-up to take people where they need to go.

Is there going to be much leisure travel to other countries for awhile???

In South Korea, you have to take a cab to hotel/motel assigned by the government. The cab fare into the city is like $80. You also have to take Covid-19 test to see if you're infected. But regardless of positive or negative result, you have to quarantine at the government designated hotel/motel for 14 days. You can't leave the room. They provide you with 3 meals a day and will deliver it to your room. You have to pay $100 a day or $1,400 for 2 weeks for the quarantine. I believe that's per person. It used to be free but SK government started charging recently. And at the end of the 2 week quarantine you have to take another Covid-19 test.

I'm sure UK government will do something similar to SK. I doubt the mandatory 2 week quarantine will be free.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Aren't there multiple strains of COVID-19? I thought that they've already seen some regional mutations of it.

I have heard of two.

Who's going to air travel with these kinds of restrictions?

Seems silly. If they test negative they should be able to go about their business like anyone else. I can see testing them before and after the flight, but still . . .

 

[Kaido]

If you're the manufacturing capital of the world, it gives you access to some pretty great toys that you can modify for other purposes, like spraying disinfectants:

 

[DrMrLordX]

Yes, spraying disinfectants in public is great fun. They're spraying bleach all over everything in some cities in the Philippines, I'm told. Close the windows.

 

[CZroe]

Aren't there multiple strains of COVID-19? I thought that they've already seen some regional mutations of it.

So far it's just the usual genetic drift they can track. No indication that it has drifted enough to reinfect those who are immune to invalidate a vaccine. Also, the vaccine would likely attempt to target all current strains at once.