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CZroe

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well large gatherings are forbidden, and while they weren't caught outside their cars this TIME, many had been spotted congregating outside previously. Why should they be above the rules that everyone else has to follow?
The real question is: Why should everyone have to follow rules that are clearly so broad as to violate their rights (and common-sense)? This isn't at all like idiots throwing Corona parties and I think it's wrong to revel in their oppression.
 

KMFJD

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The real question is: Why should everyone have to follow rules that are clearly so broad as to violate their rights (and common-sense)? This isn't at all like idiots throwing Corona parties and I think it's wrong to revel in their oppression.
no this is someone thinking they are above others and don't have to follow the rules
 

CZroe

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no this is someone thinking they are above others and don't have to follow the rules
They don't have to follow the rules. People taking reasonable precautions like them SHOULD break the rules when the rules don't make sense and should not apply. Always consider the INTENT of the rule and not just the letter of the law unless you like being an insufferable bureaucrat. They took some initiative and I have absolutely no problem with that, Conrad.
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You shouldn't have a problem with it either. No one should. In fact, we should celebrate them for getting on with their lives in this one small way.

The people complaining need to stop making things worse and creating additional hardships where there shouldn't be any. Complaining about them or implying it's good for police to waste their time on it is petty and wrong-headed. Let's stop celebrating this detestable side of bureaucracy that borders on purposeless and mindless authoritarianism.
 
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no this is someone thinking they are above others and don't have to follow the rules

If your local politicians make it a law for you to sniff your own farts, would you make sure you follow the law?

Or would you say that it is childish and not obey it?

Just because someone says a "rule" in life doesn't mean it's for the best. It doesn't mean it's for the best of society... and it definitely doesn't mean that it is the correct action.
 

stargazr

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Well, I thought my company was immune to this lock-down induced economic shenanigans since we manufacture machinery/spare parts for food & pharma industry which is in high demand.
BOY, I was wrong!

We have been issued 3 days' work week from now on.

But , I think its a ploy of the owners to shutter the company permanently since he made a lot of money and its now difficult to make as much due to stiff competition!

Fingers crossed!
Same here. Also in manufacturing serving automotive and medical etc Customers are scaling back or shutting down.
My boss applied for the recent small business aid, which is a loan for payroll. The aim of course is to reduce unemployment claims. If he can keep us busy for at least 30 hours per week he doesn't have to pay off the loan.
 
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shortylickens

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A thought occurred the other day. Theres probably one person in America who's actually pleased with all this: Jerry Seinfeld.
He hates touching and hugging and kissing and close-talkers.
The pandemic has encouraged most people to keep their distance and stop touching.
 

CZroe

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A thought occurred the other day. Theres probably one person in America who's actually pleased with all this: Jerry Seinfeld.
He hates touching and hugging and kissing and close-talkers.
The pandemic has encouraged most people to keep their distance and stop touching.
David Letterman is notorious for not wanting anyone to touch him.
 

Kaido

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I'm not a tinfoil hat person, but it is starting to sound more & more like this was an accidental lab release:


Quotes from the article:

* The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency updated its assessment of the origin of the novel coronavirus to reflect that it may have been accidentally released from an infectious diseases lab, Newsweek has learned. The report, dated March 27 and corroborated by two U.S. officials, reveals that U.S. intelligence revised its January assessment in which it "judged that the outbreak probably occurred naturally" to now include the possibility that the new coronavirus emerged "accidentally" due to "unsafe laboratory practices" in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, where the pathogen was first observed late last year.

* The DIA report, however, cites U.S. government and Chinese researchers that found "about 33 percent of the original 41 identified cases did not have direct exposure" to the market. That, along with what's known of the laboratory's work in past few years, raised reasonable suspicion that the pandemic may have been caused by a lab error, not the wet market.

* Wuhan Institute of Virology scientists have for the past five years been engaged in so-called "gain of function" (GOF) research, which is designed to enhance certain properties of viruses for the purpose of anticipating future pandemics. Gain-of-function techniques have been used to turn viruses into human pathogens capable of causing a global pandemic.

This was a known issue: (use the Wayback Machine if it gives you a paywall)


Quotes from the article:

* “The cable tells us that there have long been concerns about the possibility of the threat to public health that came from this lab’s research, if it was not being adequately conducted and protected,” he said.

* There are similar concerns about the nearby Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention lab, which operates at biosecurity level 2, a level significantly less secure than the level-4 standard claimed by the Wuhan Insititute of Virology lab, Xiao said. That’s important because the Chinese government still refuses to answer basic questions about the origin of the novel coronavirus while suppressing any attempts to examine whether either lab was involved.

This is a really interesting read:


* Labeling the virus as “a professional job…a very meticulous job,” he described its genome as being a “clockwork of sequences.” “There’s a part which is obviously the classic virus, and there’s another mainly coming from the bat, but that part has added sequences, particularly from HIV – the AIDS virus,” he said.

So:

1. The Chinese virus lab is right down the street from the wet market

2. They were cited for safety problems

3. One of the dudes who got a Nobel prize for discovery of HIV said it looks lab-created

I mean, just based on my Internet armchair quarterbacking & what I've read on the Internet...the idea that this was an accidental lab leak seems pretty dang likely. Because the alternative is...there's a virus lab right down the street from the wet market...that was cited for safety problems...and multiple scientists are suggesting that it was a tailored virus due to the genome sequence...but it just happened to come from the wet market randomly. And I wouldn't imagine that China would (1) release this on their own population to spread to the rest of the world & risk economic collapse, especially without (2) a vaccine in place to make & sell ahead of time.

I could be way off base, but it sounds like (1) this was lab-designed, and (2) accidentally leaked (or maybe intentionally, by a disgruntled or extremist employee). We will probably never know the exact truth, but based on the symptoms, spread, and globalization of this virus, it seems like this is a legitimately viable option to consider.
 
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x_marX

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I hope that it works out well for you and your company.

Never thought this much of an economic impact could be caused by a "flu" virus.
As they say, the worst is yet to come!

Same here. Also in manufacturing serving automotive and medical etc Customers are scaling back or shutting down.
My boss applied for the recent small business aid, which is a loan for payroll. The aim of course is to reduce unemployment claims. If he can keep us busy for at least 30 hours per week he doesn't have to pay off the loan.
 
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K1052

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Gilead reports awareness of "positive data emerging" from NIAID study on Remdesivir and that their trial has met the primary endpoint.
 
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Gilead reports awareness of "positive data emerging" from NIAID study on Remdesivir and that their trial has met the primary endpoint.
I saw from a press release it actually met the primary endpoint in two different studies, one of them being the NIAID study.

It's good news, and also shows why we must be careful about drawing conclusions on underpowered studies (IIRC, the one in China that failed to enroll enough people)

Hopefully, the secondary endpoints are also supportive of the primary endpoint.
 
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Ah man...I couldn't imagine being stuck in this without good Internet:


I honestly would figure that most rural TOWNS (obviously not a random farm in the middle of nowhere) would have a cell-tower somewhere close to it.

I would also honestly figure if their choices are Satellite or dial-up - that they would instead just go with tethered from their cell. There's actually a lot of people that just do that for their home internet (even in city areas with other options).

I think it's very clear that the answer to these internet issues with rural areas is VERY CLEARLY 5G rollout. Period.
 

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I honestly would figure that most rural TOWNS (obviously not a random farm in the middle of nowhere) would have a cell-tower somewhere close to it.

I would also honestly figure if their choices are Satellite or dial-up - that they would instead just go with tethered from their cell. There's actually a lot of people that just do that for their home internet (even in city areas with other options).

I think it's very clear that the answer to these internet issues with rural areas is VERY CLEARLY 5G rollout. Period.

5G is short distance. Ideal for high density areas. Will be problematic in rural areas.
 

K1052

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I saw from a press release it actually met the primary endpoint in two different studies, one of them being the NIAID study.

It's good news, and also shows why we must be careful about drawing conclusions on underpowered studies (IIRC, the one in China that failed to enroll enough people)

Hopefully, the secondary endpoints are also supportive of the primary endpoint.

Gilead also says the 5 day treatment course has the same level of clinical improvement that the 10 day course does in their severe patient trial. This would be good news given the difficulty of manufacturing it at scale in the near term. I'm very curious to see how the moderate patients fared in the NIAID study.
 
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CZroe

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I honestly would figure that most rural TOWNS (obviously not a random farm in the middle of nowhere) would have a cell-tower somewhere close to it.

I would also honestly figure if their choices are Satellite or dial-up - that they would instead just go with tethered from their cell. There's actually a lot of people that just do that for their home internet (even in city areas with other options).

I think it's very clear that the answer to these internet issues with rural areas is VERY CLEARLY 5G rollout. Period.
LOL! No way. 5G range is, like, barely WiFi range.

You also don't seem to be aware that even radio, television, and cellular signals are blocked by mountains. You live in a valley between mountains and the population isn't dense enough to get an antenna just for you and your neighbors? You're boned. They aren't spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to put up a big antenna to service 1-3 customers that aren't serviced by the big antennas a few miles away... especially because there's another valley with 1-5 households here... and another there... and another over that-a-way.
 
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5G is short distance. Ideal for high density areas. Will be problematic in rural areas.

LOL! No way. 5G range is, like, barely WiFi range.

You also don't seem to be aware that even radio, television, and cellular signals are blocked by mountains. You live in a valley between mountains and the population isn't dense enough to get an antenna just for you and your neighbors? You're boned. They aren't spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to put up a big antenna to service 1-3 customers that aren't serviced by the big antennas a few miles away... especially because there's another valley with 1-5 households here... and another there... and another over that-a-way.

Yeah sure - but that's why I mentioned TOWNS. Most people live in a town of some sort.

Also barely WiFi range? You sure about that o_O ?

Look the crux of it is that it isn't exactly feasible to be running fiber lines for every human in the middle of nowhere. Therefore, a wireless option of some sort is the only reasonable conclusion. So unless you think satellite internet can substantially improve, then cell-towers are hands down the best option.