NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[ponyo]

Yeah sure - but that's why I mentioned TOWNS. Most people live in a town of some sort.

Also barely WiFi range? You sure about that ?

Look the crux of it is that it isn't exactly feasible to be running fiber lines for every human in the middle of nowhere. Therefore, a wireless option of some sort is the only reasonable conclusion. So unless you think satellite internet can substantially improve, then cell-towers are hands down the best option.

Starlink. Starlink. Starlink. There's a guy named Elon Musk. I hear he's pretty smart, and he has a plan for satellite internet. Perhaps you should google and read about it.

 

[ultimatebob]

Starlink. Starlink. Starlink. There's a guy named Elon Musk. I hear he's pretty smart, and he has a plan for satellite internet. Perhaps you should google and read about it.

I think that even the mighty Elon stated that Starlink isn't meant to be a replacement for home internet connections in cities and towns. It's more meant for rural areas and road warriors.

 

[ponyo]

I think that even the mighty Elon stated that Starlink isn't meant to be a replacement for home internet connections in cities and towns. It's more meant for rural areas and road warriors.

And we were talking about rural internet. No one was talking about cities.

 

[CZroe]

Yeah sure - but that's why I mentioned TOWNS. Most people live in a town of some sort.

No. Most rural people drive into town, like the woman who prompted this conversation by regularly driving to her school parking lot for Internet service. That's the problem we're trying to solve here.

Also barely WiFi range? You sure about that ?

Jump to 2:48.

Direct line of sight, couple hundred feet, even rain could potentially block it. A house nestled in a sparsely-populated valley between mountains and surrounded by trees has no hope. If you are going to be mounting a line-of-sight transceiver on your tallest tree to communicate with some tower on a nearby mountain, well, they've had microwave broadband internet services like that for decades now and they really only offer it where the population density supports it... not where this woman lives. 5G is WORSE than existing technology for getting broadband to rural people... certainly not a better-suited solution.

Look the crux of it is that it isn't exactly feasible to be running fiber lines for every human in the middle of nowhere. Therefore, a wireless option of some sort is the only reasonable conclusion. So unless you think satellite internet can substantially improve, then cell-towers are hands down the best option.

...and a tower for every "human" (household) in the middle of nowhere isn't any more feasible, and that's almost what you'd be doing if you relied on 5G in the same situation.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

@Kaido

They lost my willingness to accept the information right here "corroborated by two U.S. officials ".

I will provide an alternate explanation to the Captain Trips scenario being offered up. This is a last ditch effort to pull Trump's bacon out of the fire. Tumpers are already scapegoating China for this administration's horrible performance in response to the virus. It would provide an out, and a focus for all the frustration and anger.

Of course, if the international scientific community concurs with the Capt. Trips theory, then so be it. The shit storm that ensues will be magnificent and terrible. The privation and hardship for the average global citizen will be at least world war II level, and probably more pervasive.

 

[brianmanahan]

Starlink. Starlink. Starlink. There's a guy named Elon Musk. I hear he's pretty smart, and he has a plan for satellite internet. Perhaps you should google and read about it.

he did put a car into space, you know

 

[destrekor]

No. Most rural people drive into town, like the woman who prompted this conversation by regularly driving to her school parking lot for Internet service. That's the problem we're trying to solve here.

Jump to 2:48.

Direct line of sight, couple hundred feet, even rain could potentially block it. A house nestled in a sparsely-populated valley between mountains and surrounded by trees has no hope. If you are going to be mounting a line-of-sight transceiver on your tallest tree to communicate with some tower on a nearby mountain, well, they've had microwave broadband internet services like that for decades now and they really only offer it where the population density supports it... not where this woman lives. 5G is WORSE than existing technology for getting broadband to rural people... certainly not a better-suited solution.


...and a tower for every "human" (household) in the middle of nowhere isn't any more feasible, and that's almost what you'd be doing if you relied on 5G in the same situation.

You're argument about 5G is strictly concerned with only 5G NR (New Radio), specifically the FR2 spec (Frequency Range 2, in the EHF band, is the mmWave spectrum).
5G NR FR1 is sub-6 GHz, which is relatively equivalent to present cell coverage. Spectrum in FR1 is all over, some cut from other spectrum blocks, with spectrum in blocks from 600 MHz to about 5 GHz right now, though the vast majority is around common LTE blocks.


That said, that doesn't do much to change the picture of rural broadband. Erecting cell towers is still necessary with about the same spacing as today. Clearly Starlink is positioning to be the best service technology for rural broadband, perhaps fixed wireless in general. Could this be called fixed wireless? Need stationary antenna to receive service, even though the aerial antennas are no longer stationary/fixed.

 

[K1052]

NIH will brief on study results at today's task force briefing. I doubt that they'd be invited to the uh rally if the results were bad. The question would seem to be how effective the drug is and in what groups.

 

[K1052]

NIH will brief on study results at today's task force briefing. I doubt that they'd be invited to the uh rally if the results were bad. The question would seem to be how effective the drug is and in what groups.

Well didn't even have to wait that long to get some info

https://twitter.com/x/status/1255529778859343872

 

[Kaido]

Musk to the rescue I guess.

My astronomer buddy is already complaining about light streaks from their telescope. Having a zillion of those up in the sky is gonna be bad news for space people

 

[gill77]

My astronomer buddy is already complaining about light streaks from their telescope. Having a zillion of those up in the sky is gonna be bad news for space people

That can't be, it's all being done with the approval of the FCC

Hubble and Webb I guess.

 

[brianmanahan]

I think it's very clear that the answer to these internet issues with rural areas is VERY CLEARLY 5G rollout. Period.

nice try, illuminati

 

[K1052]

FDA is expected to approve Remdesivir for treatment of Covid-19 soon.

Next up we should be seeing more results from the IL-6 inhibitor trials and Mayo's convalescent plasma trial in May. The trial of Kevzara in severe patients was dialed back due to ineffectiveness but shows some potential in critical patients at high dosage.

Repurposed therapeutics are going to be highly imperfect even if helpful but if you can chip away at different stages to reduce hospitalization days and mortality it adds up.

 

[K1052]

I'd expect calls for human vaccine challenge trials to increase soon. This would be highly unethical without treatments available but if remdesivir and plasma therapy work there would be a good argument for proceeding quickly with low risk groups while ramping up manufacturing of several options.

 

[local]

I'm getting really close to the "fuck it, let them all burn" level of concern over this thing. Between the idiots claiming it is all fake, look at total all cause deaths year over year to get your answer, and the people panicking to the point of being willing to take an untested vaccine. The people afraid to even go outside or wearing a mask while driving by themselves and the people protesting in large groups without any concern at all as well as our elected leaders saying people would be happy to die to get the economy running again. If it is not one side overreacting it is the other marching along to the fake news tune.

I'd expect calls for human vaccine challenge trials to increase soon. This would be highly unethical without treatments available but if remdesivir and plasma therapy work there would be a good argument for proceeding quickly with low risk groups while ramping up manufacturing of several options.

Get a couple thousand daredevils together to test it and basically begin 3rd phase trials early is fine with me. I think I would rather they do the challenge on the RNA vaccine though as manufacturing it is much simpler and holds greater promise if we can finally get one of these approved.

 

[K1052]

Get a couple thousand daredevils together to test it and basically begin 3rd phase trials early is fine with me. I think I would rather they do the challenge on the RNA vaccine though as manufacturing it is much simpler and holds greater promise if we can finally get one of these approved.

You'll want more than one bullet in the gun so to speak so I'd probably take anybody who's ready and move to scale production immediately. Just purchase an asston of doses that may never be used because odds are you'll hit on at lest one that's effective and safe. This is one area where the government simply throwing a huge pile of cash at the problem can be very effective in shortening timelines.

 

[ponyo]

I'm just not that excited about Remdesivir. I don't think it changes or solves anything regarding this virus and speeding up the return to normal for society as whole. I need a cure or some type of prevention.

 

[local]

I'm just not that excited about Remdesivir. I don't think it changes or solves anything regarding this virus and speeding up the return to normal for society as whole. I need a cure or some type of prevention.

If it can be proven to actually improve outcomes then that is more than we have today. Not really excited either though.

 

[K1052]

I'm just not that excited about Remdesivir. I don't think it changes or solves anything regarding this virus and speeding up the return to normal for society as whole. I need a cure or some type of prevention.

I'm guessing that a lot of currently and to be hospitalized people may have a different level of enthusiasm.

 

[ponyo]

If it can be proven to actually improve outcomes then that is more than we have today. Not really excited either though.

I just know with so many people dying all over the world, they already tried this drug along with many others. If something worked really well, that information would've quickly been shared. They would've used heck out of this drug in China and South Korea if it worked well. I remember reading about doctors trying this drug in China and South Korea in the beginning.

 

[K1052]

I just know with so many people dying all over the world, they already tried this drug along with many others. If something worked really well, that information would've quickly been shared. They would've used heck out of this drug in China and South Korea if it worked well. I remember reading about doctors trying this drug in China and South Korea in the beginning.

The Chinese did start using it but largely in an uncontrolled manner so it was impossible to draw any conclusions, particularly if it was only partially effective. Their controlled study had to end because they ran out of patients to enroll after crushing the outbreak. South Korea ended theirs so efficiently that I don't think any clinical trials got off the ground.

 

[K1052]

Apparently South Korean scientists think that their new positive tests from people who recovered are simply picking up genetic fragments not live virus. They've been unable to grow virus from samples taken. So that's a piece of good news.

 

[Brainonska511]

I just know with so many people dying all over the world, they already tried this drug along with many others. If something worked really well, that information would've quickly been shared. They would've used heck out of this drug in China and South Korea if it worked well. I remember reading about doctors trying this drug in China and South Korea in the beginning.

At the end of the day, anecdotes are not data; without any kind of controls, it would be near impossible to tell drug effects apart from standard of care. It may not be a miracle drug, but it appears, from the preliminary trial data, that it can actually help, giving one more tool to use in the standard treatment toolkit.

 

[kn51]

Musk to the rescue I guess.

lol

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I'm getting really close to the "fuck it, let them all burn" level of concern over this thing. Between the idiots claiming it is all fake, look at total all cause deaths year over year to get your answer, and the people panicking to the point of being willing to take an untested vaccine. The people afraid to even go outside or wearing a mask while driving by themselves and the people protesting in large groups without any concern at all as well as our elected leaders saying people would be happy to die to get the economy running again. If it is not one side overreacting it is the other marching along to the fake news tune.



Get a couple thousand daredevils together to test it and basically begin 3rd phase trials early is fine with me. I think I would rather they do the challenge on the RNA vaccine though as manufacturing it is much simpler and holds greater promise if we can finally get one of these approved.

It's generally accepted that Influenza death toll is roughly 0.01% death rate.

With what we have seen thus far with COVD-19 it's looking to be around 0.05% death rate.

So... essentially... 5x worse than the yearly flu. Yet were going to have to tack on hundreds of thousands of more lives that are going to die from economic despair because people get butt-hurt, irrational, and stupid over a virus outbreak. YAY!

It honestly didn't have to be this way... we didn't have to be THIS stupid. Call for social distancing... call for using more hand sanitizer, washing hands more, etc...call for old and vulnerable people staying home more.... But closing stores, restaurants, and other useful businesses because... reasons has made zero sense.