NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[nakedfrog]

I just got back from the grocery store, and wow. Things have escalated.

There are employees walking around watching that shoppers maintain social distance. Everyone had a mask on. A guy was telling people at the registers where to stand.

As I walked out and headed to my normal exit a female employee yelled at me sternly: :"SIR! USE THE OTHER EXIT!" And when I say yelled, I mean yelled. You have to go in and leave from opposite doors.

Not so much here, was at a couple grocery stores yesterday, I'd say maybe 15% of people had a mask on, if that many. Even most staff weren't wearing masks.

 

[Muse]

No. The reason countries are forcing their own economies into recession is because they want to prevent their health systems from collapsing.

Just look @ how NY is fairing right now: if the health system collapses, then medical problems that are usually "quite fixable" will suddenly be fatal, aggravating the problem further, and i'm not even referring to the patients that require ventilators.

According to this:

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In NY alone there are over 42.5K hospitalized from COVID-19 alone.

If countries don't try to stop it from spreading, the number of hospitalized will escalate quickly beyond what hospitals can deal with.

And it would get worse than that. Not only will the hospitals be pushed far beyond what they can deal with, people will stop going to work because they know they are likely to get sick. So, the social distancing would develop all on its own in addition to systems collapsing. A shortened & heightened pandemic curve helps no one but the undertaker.

 

[Red Squirrel]

One thing I realized that's interesting with all this is how lot of places that never had much online presence are suddenly offering online ordering now. I wonder if they will stick with that after this is over or if it's just too much trouble. Just did an order at Bulk Barn and it's online, the form is kinda crude and can tell it was quickly thrown together, but basically you list what you want and how many scoops or other measurement unit and they have it ready for pickup. Really if they refined that form to make it a bit more user friendly (like a shopping cart system where you can see the items) I say they should stick with that as the only option even once this is over. Less hands touching the bins and scoops.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Trump temporarily halting funding to WHO over its handling of Coronavirus.


Good riddance. Fuck WHO. Fuck anything that can't even acknowledge Taiwan.

 

[brianmanahan]

trump just stopped US funding for the WHO

(not the band)

but really, does any country even listen to what the WHO says? when it comes down to it, it seems like it's every country for itself.

there is and will never be true cooperation between countries.

and once natural resources start getting too low and the nuke wars start, there won't really be a need for it anymore (or any of us).

 

[CZroe]

Trump temporarily halting funding to WHO over its handling of Coronavirus.


Good riddance. Fuck WHO. Fuck anything that can't even acknowledge Taiwan.

First step:
Get China Stooge "Dr." Tedros out. Maybe then we can discuss future funding.

As it is, all our funding has done is give the organization undue international authority to play favorites, since they made all the wrong calls every step of the way for the sake of China's economy. Is it any wonder that he was China's pick to head the WHO? That's right: before he was in charge he was China's preferred candidate and they out-right campaigned for him. While praising China at every opportunity since he pushes back on every criticism and bends over backwards to support their One China policy while decrying "politics" from every other member country. Under Tedros, the WHO has been shamelessly pro-China even to the detriment of their core purpose.

GET. TEDROS. OUT.

 

[Paratus]

Well looks like I’m jailbreaking my CPAP machine if I catch this.

https://arstechnica.com/information...ow-cost-medical-devices-act-like-ventilators/

 

[CZroe]

but really, does any country even listen to what the WHO says? when it comes down to it, it seems like it's every country for itself.

Yes.

That was part of the problem. Many countries were waiting on them to declare a pandemic before they restricted travel yet the WHO passed every historical milestone until it was far too late before declaring it then opposed travel restrictions even then.

Well looks like I’m jailbreaking my CPAP machine if I catch this.

https://arstechnica.com/information...ow-cost-medical-devices-act-like-ventilators/

https://youtu.be/JqGiGgRSCI4

 

[BarkingGhostar]

You are making a bad comparison: you should compare the current number of COVID-19 hospitalized patients in NY with the average number of hospitalized patients per day in NY before COVID-19. Do you have access to the average number of hospitalized patients per day in NY before COVID-19?

For example: if on average there are 300K hospitalized people per day in NY, then 42.5K more is a 14.17% increase, which is not a small number but, if on average there are 150K hospitalized people per day in NY, then that's and increase of 28.33%, which is VERY significant.

The comparison was due to commuting folks in close proximity to one another vs not, in a framework of a highly contagious virus about. My car doesn't cough on me.

 

[linkgoron]

A huge spike in deaths in the US today, more than 2400 according to Worldometer. I assume that these are delayed numbers from the weekend, as something similar happened last Tuesday as well. Daily new cases have been pretty consistent with the last few days of ~26K a day (which is lower than previous weeks).

Also, according this document, an additional 3778 deaths in NYC have "COVID-19" as the "probable" cause. From the document, "A death is classified as probable if the decedent was a New York City resident (NYC resident or residency pending) who had no known positive laboratory test for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) but the death certificate lists as a cause of death “COVID-19” or an equivalent." That's an additional 57% from the confirmed number of 6589 (In NYC).

 

[H T C]

The comparison was due to commuting folks in close proximity to one another vs not, in a framework of a highly contagious virus about. My car doesn't cough on me.

You were comparing the number of COVID-19 hospitalized patients to NY's total population: instead, you should compare number COVID-19 hospitalized patients to the average daily hospitalized patients pre-COVID-19.

I'd be surprised if the number is below 30%, but my guess would be more than 50%.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I just had a random thought. Since this virus is respiratory, it's in your breath right? Why can't they make a breathalyzer test but for the virus? It would work the same way as an alcohol one and be quick and easy to use vs having to send a swap to a lab.

 

[Paratus]

I just had a random thought. Since this virus is respiratory, it's in your breath right? Why can't they make a breathalyzer test but for the virus? It would work the same way as an alcohol one and be quick and easy to use vs having to send a swap to a lab.

Breathalyzers use a chemical reaction or IR spectroscopy to detect alcohol. Neither would be able capable of identifying a virus let alone this specific one.

 

[myocardia]

Scroll down a bit to table 2. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

Unfortunately, the linked document is an absolute farce. Table 2 says on 04-14-2020 that a grand total of 8,259 Americans have died from COVID-19. The other .cdc.gov page that lists only the total of Americans who have tested positive for COVID-19, and the total of those who have died from it for the same date says that 22,252 have died. That page is located here: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

 

[myocardia]

When I call the DoL office they assigned me to I get a message that "The number you have reached is not in service." Just a bunch of FAQs and such online with no way to submit any kind of inquiry online. I know they don't want me showing up at the DoL/Unemployment office but I may have to. This is getting ridiculous.

The reason you are getting that message from the phone company/or on-site PBX is that the office you are attempting to call has been closed down for some time. Since nearly all of that type of state office usually handle all of their own voicemail in-house/on-site, they just have the telephone company completely shut their line down, in situations like this. If they didn't, not only would the server that stores the messages from callers already have been filled completely by now, but the outgoing message about how you would be hearing from someone in a maximum of three business days (assuming a national holiday on Monday), not only would no longer be true, but since the average 'Merican doesn't seem to have enough intellect to equate an office having been closed, on orders of the governor, with people that work in that office not being able to return their calls, shutting down the entire system/setup until it is time for them to return to work is the only way that makes sense.

 

[randay]

I just had a random thought. Since this virus is respiratory, it's in your breath right? Why can't they make a breathalyzer test but for the virus? It would work the same way as an alcohol one and be quick and easy to use vs having to send a swap to a lab.

so you want everyone to shove the same breathalyzer down their throats?

 

[BUTCH1]

Scheduled a "possible" test for Thursday, Advent health is running a testing operation in our area, I've pre-registered and took one of the available time slots BUT I won't be told until I'm there if I'll even be tested. Doing a fair amount of coughing lately, I'm 63 and I also have very, very low energy. No fever yet so far, I might have to pull off a Ferris Bueller before I get there by placing a hand-warmer pack on my head before I pull in. It's a drive-up deal.

 

[FelixDeCat]

so you want everyone to shove the same breathalyzer down their throats?

You probably shouldn't worry. Real men secrete a 70% isopropyl alcohol solution when a viral agent is detected in their throats.

 

[CZroe]

The reason you are getting that message from the phone company/or on-site PBX is that the office you are attempting to call has been closed down for some time. Since nearly all of that type of state office usually handle all of their own voicemail in-house/on-site, they just have the telephone company completely shut their line down, in situations like this. If they didn't, not only would the server that stores the messages from callers already have been filled completely by now, but the outgoing message about how you would be hearing from someone in a maximum of three business days (assuming a national holiday on Monday), not only would no longer be true, but since the average 'Merican doesn't seem to have enough intellect to equate an office having been closed, on orders of the governor, with people that work in that office not being able to return their calls, shutting down the entire system/setup until it is time for them to return to work is the only way that makes sense.

If any government office is considered essential right now, it's the Department of Labor's Unemployment Office... right? I mean, someone there has to make the "determination" that the state says is holding this up.

 

[Kaido]

Dang:

US may have to endure social distancing until 2022 if no vaccine is quickly found, scientists predict

Social distancing may be the new normal for quite a while.

www.cnn.com

* US may have to endure social distancing until 2022 if no vaccine is quickly found, scientists predict

* The Harvard team's projections also indicate that the virus would come roaring back fairly quickly once restrictions were lifted.

* "If intermittent distancing is the approach that's chosen, it may be necessary to do it for several years, which is obviously a very long time," Dr. Marc Lipsitch, an author on the study and an epidemiology professor at the Harvard School of Public Health, told reporters.

* Another important factor: Whether people become immune to the new coronavirus after they have been infected. That's not yet known.

Prestigious scientific panel tells White House coronavirus won't go away with warmer weather

A prestigious scientific panel told the White House Tuesday that it doesn't look like coronavirus will go away once the weather warms up. President Trump has claimed that "when it gets a little warmer [the virus] miraculously goes away."

www.cnn.com

* In their letter to the White House, members of a National Academy of Sciences committee said data is mixed on whether coronavirus spreads as easily in warm weather as it does in cold weather, but that it might not matter much given that so few people in the world are immune to coronavirus.

* The letter describes how Chad Roy, a researcher at Tulane University, subjected the virus to hot and humid temperatures in the laboratory, and studied it for 16 hours.

* Roy reports "surprisingly" that new coronavirus lived longer than flu, monkeypox, tuberculosis or the coronavirus that causes SARS, known as severe acute respiratory syndrome, according to the letter from the NAS's Standing Committee on Emerging Infectious Diseases and 21st Century Health Threats.

Prominent scientists have bad news for the White House about coronavirus antibody tests

In a phone call last week, some of the nation's top scientists briefed White House officials about antibody testing, according to two doctors who were on the call.

www.cnn.com

* But on the April 6 phone call, members of the National Academy of Sciences' Standing Committee on Emerging Infectious Diseases and 21st Century Health Threats told members of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy there are issues with the availability and reliability of the antibody tests in the United States right now.

* There has been concern that some of the tests might confuse the coronavirus causing the current pandemic with one of several coronaviruses that cause the common cold...The tests would then end up telling people they had antibodies to the pandemic coronavirus when they didn't, and people might think they're immune when they're not.

* ...it's not entirely clear that having antibodies to Covid-19 means that you truly have immunity and won't get the disease again.

Lots of unknowns right now

 

[Kaido]

Scheduled a "possible" test for Thursday, Advent health is running a testing operation in our area, I've pre-registered and took one of the available time slots BUT I won't be told until I'm there if I'll even be tested. Doing a fair amount of coughing lately, I'm 63 and I also have very, very low energy. No fever yet so far, I might have to pull off a Ferris Bueller before I get there by placing a hand-warmer pack on my head before I pull in. It's a drive-up deal.

Get prednisone (steroid) & an inhaler. Sleep on your belly. If you have access to a CPAP/BiPap, use it. Go to bed early & get lots of sleep so you don't get worn down.

'Such a simple thing to do': Why positioning Covid-19 patients on their stomachs can save lives | CNN

Critical care specialists say being on the belly seems help people seriously ill with Covid-19 because it allows oxygen to more easily get to the lungs. "It's such a simple thing to do, and we've seen remarkable improvement," one doctor said.

www.cnn.com

 

[BUTCH1]

Get prednisone (steroid) & an inhaler. Sleep on your belly. If you have access to a CPAP/BiPap, use it. Go to bed early & get lots of sleep so you don't get worn down.

'Such a simple thing to do': Why positioning Covid-19 patients on their stomachs can save lives | CNN

Critical care specialists say being on the belly seems help people seriously ill with Covid-19 because it allows oxygen to more easily get to the lungs. "It's such a simple thing to do, and we've seen remarkable improvement," one doctor said.

www.cnn.com

I'd have too get a prescription for the prednisone, I'm not sure if my primary is even open right now. I have an inhaler and am only working 25hrs/week these days so plenty of time for power naps. I'm slamming 4,000Mg vit C for the last 4 days too, got a zinc supplement ordered, all locally were gone.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

an additional 3778 deaths in NYC have "COVID-19" as the "probable" cause. From the document, "A death is classified as probable if the decedent was a New York City resident (NYC resident or residency pending) who had no known positive laboratory test for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) but the death certificate lists as a cause of death “COVID-19” or an equivalent."

As I've been saying ... the numbers seem to be falsified/exaggerated.

 

[linkgoron]

As I've been saying ... the numbers seem to be falsified/exaggerated.

Except that those numbers have not been added to the official numbers yet. If anything, the current numbers are undercounting and not overcounting.

 

[SKORPI0]