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DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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I think the actual death toll in China is in 7 figures.

That would square with the number of cell phone disconnects they've had in the last 4 months or so.

On a different note: we need mass serology testing. There have got to be a bunch of people out there who have antibodies in their systems already. Pretty sure I'm one of them. If anyone wants this economy to fire back up and work, it's time to get people back in their jobs if they test positive for past infection.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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That would square with the number of cell phone disconnects they've had in the last 4 months or so.

On a different note: we need mass serology testing. There have got to be a bunch of people out there who have antibodies in their systems already. Pretty sure I'm one of them. If anyone wants this economy to fire back up and work, it's time to get people back in their jobs if they test positive for past infection.
No question antibody testing will be a huge boost if we can get it going. Has to be fairly easy, hopefully fast and pretty accurate.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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This story is kinda scary:


It kinda makes you wonder if you already have the virus yourself, and have been unwittingly spreading it around. It also serves as a reminder about how screwed the US is right now because of our lack of widespread testing.
 
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FelixDeCat

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"200,000"

Da...

...fuq?!

07:08 Police harass man at his home for creating group chat critical of CCP's handling of the virus resulting in his fathers death.

This reminds me of Serpetnza's video citing how often police randomly drop in on foriegners living there and even Chinese citizens homes to "check up" on things. The government uses the police to silence critics and to remind locals "who is in charge".


Can you imagine the cops randomly showing up to your house because you are critical of government? Or just following you around letting you know they are watching you?

Silencing critics is not the way to fight a pandemic.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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This story is kinda scary:


It kinda makes you wonder if you already have the virus yourself, and have been unwittingly spreading it around. It also serves as a reminder about how screwed the US is right now because of our lack of widespread testing.
Trump thinks denial is the best strategy for any problem. There's no convincing him that testing is in the best interests of the country (to put that more accurately, that pressing for testing is in HIS best interest!). He is pretty twisted. Yes, I blame him. He could have appointed a covid-19 czar. Dr. Larry Brilliant in his Wired Magazine interview said first thing that Trump should have done was to have appointed the same czar that Obama appointed to deal with Ebola. That guy would have been pedal to the medal on testing. Instead, officially we have who? Pence! And even Pence (who's utterly unqualified to deal with this) has a back seat to you know who ... because, as always, he's just way to full of himself to get out of the way even though it's all way over his head.
 
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CZroe

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Jun 24, 2001
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I just went grocery shopping with an N95 mask on. I did not realize how hard it is to breathe in one. I was feeling out of breathe because it restricts the airflow. And then it gets hot as hell. My nose started running because I was hot in there too and it just got so uncomfortable. I did shopping for my mom and my family though so I was there longer than usual, but I think from now on I'll rock it when I shop. Might as well since I have one.

Yes. Even with the vented ones that have a one-way valve you get that hot air that comes from the pocket of air that didn't get pushed out of the mask. My problem with the non-vented ones is that the pressure from exhaling literally breaks the seal and pushes it off of my face, fogging my glasses.

The runny nose makes you want to instinctively rip it off prematurely and wipe your nose, which is probably not the smart thing to do in the current environment. It's very uncomfortable


He was using a bad Chinese serology test. Many Chinese tests are worthless with 30% accuracy. These are likely even worse if they aren't out-right fake.
 

CZroe

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Jun 24, 2001
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Trump thinks denial is the best strategy for any problem. There's no convincing him that testing is in the best interests of the country. He is pretty twisted. Yes, I blame him. He could have appointed a covid-19 czar, Dr. Larry Brilliant in his Wired Magazine interview said first thing that Trump should have appointed the same czar that Obama appointed to deal with Ebola. That guy would have been pedal to the medal on testing. Instead, officially we have who? Pence! And even Pence has a back seat to you know who ... because, as always, he's just way to full of himself to get out of the way when he's way over his head.
The US has already confirmed almost a third of a million, and supposedly only 1 in 4 tests comes back positive. While some officially confirmed cases are likely clinical diagnoses, these numbers indicate that we have tested over a million. Testing was slow at first but it's ramping up and, IMO, has been moving at an acceptable pace for a while now.

Let's not forget that a lot of the setback was caused by bad tests from the CDC/FDA which we caught after rejecting the WHO tests. Big mistake, but China, Turkey, etc have had to reject and return millions of tests they received from other countries so it seems the Fed's concern wasn't unfounded.

Trump deserves a lot of criticism (especially for downplaying this) but he's not the one who rejected the tests and he's not the one responsible for the first batch of our own tests being bad. It's just unfortunate.
 

Sonikku

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Jun 23, 2005
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Something smells rotten in Denmark. Um, I mean China. They have reported officially something like 3000 deaths. Now they order 200,000 body bags? I presume those have nothing to do with the probably hundreds of thousands of cremated Chinese during the initial Wuhan outbreak. I said it before... I think the actual death toll in China is in 7 figures.

The Chinese rulers know full well that the world will condemn them roundly for having blown the chance to quell the epidemic in the early stages. So, they decided that misinformation is the only way to respond. They will never stop lying about this.
And they'll get away with it. They hold the keys to nearly all the mass production to the world at this point. Want medical supplies? Guess who makes it? The world is dependent on these asshats now and they know it.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Seems like a lot of the tests China ran on their own people were bogus, which may be one of the reasons why they had "reinfections".

The world is dependent on these asshats now and they know it.

For now. It's a huge opportunity for other countries to start their own manufacturing base. Automation has come a long way since the late 80s/early 90s when China began building up its own manufacturing base, and alternative energy sources (read: not coal) are also becoming more of a thing. Chinese manufacturing had two main draws to foreign investors back then:

1). Cheap labor
2). Lax environmental regulations

You could pay next to nothing for your labor, and you could dump waste anywhere/burn anything you liked. Waste disposal is still a concern in the first-worlds, but as the EU has demonstrated, you can just pay poor countries to store it for you. With heavy automation and non-fossil fuels being more available now, the rest of the world can move on from China. If the will is there to do so.
 
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killster1

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Yes. Even with the vented ones that have a one-way valve you get that hot air that comes from the pocket of air that didn't get pushed out of the mask. My problem with the non-vented ones is that the pressure from exhaling literally breaks the seal and pushes it off of my face, fogging my glasses.

The runny nose makes you want to instinctively rip it off prematurely and wipe your nose, which is probably not the smart thing to do in the current environment. It's very uncomfortable



He was using a bad Chinese serology test. Many Chinese tests are worthless with 30% accuracy. These are likely even worse if they aren't out-right fake.
so brainhulk already showed you the link of how to clean the masks, i place above boiling water for 10 mins then put in the oven for 30 mins at 158F. i have 15 masks and just ordered some kf94 for 2$ each off ebay will see how well those work, i have a seal test i can do when they arrive. been wearing double masks (n95 with surgical over it) for almost 3 weeks now, you get used to it after a week, i wear them for about 14 hours a day and take it off for my lunch breaks when i go home. also wearing goggles xs3 pyrmix sealed but its super annoying and find myself taking them off when im not around anyone else.
 
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Muse

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Must be electronic digital oven if you can set it at 158F. I've got a gas range and would be lucky to get within 15% of 158F. And it turns on/off every 2-3 minutes by virtue of the thermostat.

I have enough masks where I could set them aside for a week or more and hope that would guarantee not being infected. That's what I'm doing with my mail and packages.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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Yeah, I'm still struggling some because I have N95's that I bought in 2017 and 2018 to wear when wildfires rage around here. Should I wear them or give them to a hospital? Well, they're all I have, I am at risk, I didn't dent the supply since this outbreak. I have given 13 of them away to family and friends, have over 20 left. I don't discard them, I reuse them. My HMO has been less than generous and honest with me and I pay them monthly for, well, just being there. I can't even go now for my issues. Figure I should look after myself and not feel guilty because they aren't prepared. The ugly fact is if I need to go there for ICU in a few weeks, if I need a ventilator they're probably gonna say, "sorry, yours goes to someone more likely to survive based on our metrics. It was nice knowing you."

I know a lot of people are criticizing Trump right now, but he's in the same boat you are - stuck between two crappy decisions. In your case, the question is to keep them to protect yourself & feel guilty as a result, or give them to much-needed medical causes & take a huge risk with your own life.

I think an easier way to look at it is that you're taking preventative measures to avoid infection so that you don't have to put a doctor or nurse in the position of having to wear one around you because you had to go in because you're not protected.
 
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killster1

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Must be electronic digital oven if you can set it at 158F. I've got a gas range and would be lucky to get within 15% of 158F. And it turns on/off every 2-3 minutes by virtue of the thermostat.

I have enough masks where I could set them aside for a week or more and hope that would guarantee not being infected. That's what I'm doing with my mail and packages.
well they do make these things called thermometers? but yes i do own a electric digital oven. however im sure any oven will work with a little diligence
 

ponyo

Lifer
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so brainhulk already showed you the link of how to clean the masks, i place above boiling water for 10 mins then put in the oven for 30 mins at 158F. i have 15 masks and just ordered some kf94 for 2$ each off ebay will see how well those work, i have a seal test i can do when they arrive. been wearing double masks (n95 with surgical over it) for almost 3 weeks now, you get used to it after a week, i wear them for about 14 hours a day and take it off for my lunch breaks when i go home. also wearing goggles xs3 pyrmix sealed but its super annoying and find myself taking them off when im not around anyone else.
If you ordered KF94 masks from eBay, it's almost 99% guaranteed to be fake and made in China instead of South Korea. Chinese companies are counterfeiting Korean KF94 masks and are selling it on Amazon and eBay. The masks are not the same. The Chinese copies are made of thinner and inferior materials and not effective masks. Chinese copied the outer packaging but the included mask instructions have incorrect and wrong Korean letters and words. South Korea is not allowing sale of the KF94 masks outside of the country. The only way you can get real KF94 mask right now is to have someone in South Korea purchase the mask in person and ship it to you. And you can only send it to another family member. And there's limit of 8 masks that can be sent via mail to another family member in foreign country. Which is why I'm getting 8 masks from my SK contact.

Cancel your KF94 eBay order. You bought a fake and wasted your money. You can't get real KF94 mask on eBay.
 
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killster1

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If you ordered KF94 masks from eBay, it's almost 99% guaranteed to be fake and made in China instead of South Korea. Chinese companies are counterfeiting Korean KF94 masks and are selling it on Amazon and eBay. The masks are not the same. The Chinese copies are made of thinner and inferior materials and not effective masks. Chinese copied the outer packaging but the included mask instructions have incorrect and wrong Korean letters and words. South Korea is not allowing sale of the KF94 masks outside of the country. The only way you can get real KF94 mask right now is to have someone in South Korea purchase the mask in person and ship it to you. And you can only send it to another family member. And there's limit of 8 masks that can be sent via mail to another family member in foreign country. Which is why I'm getting 8 masks from my SK contact.

Cancel your KF94 eBay order. You bought a fake and wasted your money. You can't get real KF94 mask on eBay.

dunno im going to keep the order and do a seal test /fit test to see myself. no big deal if they are fake they will be expensive surgical masks. if you can taste the sweetener then they are not filtering or sealing good enough. funny how do you know these are not purchased before the virus outbreak? if it passes my fake test ill use them if not give them away or return them. i dont care a whole lot about a few $$
 

H T C

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Nov 7, 2018
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This story is kinda scary:


It kinda makes you wonder if you already have the virus yourself, and have been unwittingly spreading it around. It also serves as a reminder about how screwed the US is right now because of our lack of widespread testing.
There's this pregnant lady here in Portugal that found out she and her husband were infected TWO DAYS before the was scheduled to give birth.

The only symptom she had was a slight loss of the sense of taste: she was surprised when she was told she had the virus.

This is why testing only "suspicious cases" is a flawed approach.
 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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If half of carriers show no symptoms, thats probably the best explanation as to how it spread so rapidly and completely across the globe.
 

Muse

Lifer
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well they do make these things called thermometers? but yes i do own a electric digital oven. however im sure any oven will work with a little diligence
Oh, I have a thermometer in my oven. But that isn't connected to the thermostat, which is a sort of thermometer that DOES control the burner. But it's a very primitive system. This range was bought for $25 by one of the people who lived here before I did, so used, it's an O'Keefe and Merritt and probably from the 1950s or 1960s. I have fiddled with it a fair amount. In fact I turned up the pilots on the burners a couple days. Trying to get 158F out of it would probably mean a range from 140-190F.

I'm hoping just setting aside in a 55-63F area for 7+ days would render my masks safe.
 

Wreckem

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Sep 23, 2006
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The US has already confirmed almost a third of a million, and supposedly only 1 in 4 tests comes back positive. While some officially confirmed cases are likely clinical diagnoses, these numbers indicate that we have tested over a million. Testing was slow at first but it's ramping up and, IMO, has been moving at an acceptable pace for a while now.

Let's not forget that a lot of the setback was caused by bad tests from the CDC/FDA which we caught after rejecting the WHO tests. Big mistake, but China, Turkey, etc have had to reject and return millions of tests they received from other countries so it seems the Fed's concern wasn't unfounded.

Trump deserves a lot of criticism (especially for downplaying this) but he's not the one who rejected the tests and he's not the one responsible for the first batch of our own tests being bad. It's just unfortunate.

Many states and several large states are still only capable of testing ~5k a day. Then there is the huge backlog of tests and some people getting results 5-10 days after testing. So no testing is still terrible and at the abysmal level in most places in the US.

Houston’s hospitals are bursting with suspected covid cases. They have more people hospitalized with covid symptoms than their official positive tests.
 
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Exterous

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On one hand I would say only giving people paid sick time when diagnosed/doctor directed quarantine needs to change given the lack of testing but on the other I think Amazon, for better or worse, is an essential business at this time and really can't be shut down without larger consequences than this would solve
 
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Something smells rotten in Denmark. Um, I mean China. They have reported officially something like 3000 deaths. Now they order 200,000 body bags? I presume those have nothing to do with the probably hundreds of thousands of cremated Chinese during the initial Wuhan outbreak. I said it before... I think the actual death toll in China is in 7 figures.

The Chinese rulers know full well that the world will condemn them roundly for having blown the chance to quell the epidemic in the early stages. So, they decided that misinformation is the only way to respond. They will never stop lying about this.

The problem is that (similar to Iran) I'm pretty sure our military technologies would be able to detect and see their bullshit in some way... or with spies... and knowing our President he would have no problem pointing it out?

Or maybe I'm wrong and they have a reason to keep it secret, or perhaps China's death toll really isn't high.

I don't know what to believe at this point.
 
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This story is kinda scary:


It kinda makes you wonder if you already have the virus yourself, and have been unwittingly spreading it around. It also serves as a reminder about how screwed the US is right now because of our lack of widespread testing.

According to the stats, were now #1 for most tests....