NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[allisolm]

Maybe. BTW, the vaccine might be years away.

Hopefully not. They have already started human trials on one in Seattle.

1st person in US gets experimental coronavirus vaccine

The vaccine was fast-tracked to human trials, but it will still be some time before it's ready for public use.

www.livescience.com

 

[jpiniero]

Gotta have some balls to agree to take a experimental vaccine, especially one that's being fast tracked.

 

[allisolm]

It's a legitimate question to ask a doctor when we are talking about saving the world - But for some reason you just immediately throw judgement that he is saying strap anyone in prison to a chair and injecting tests into any and all people and laughing about it. That clearly wasn't the case and it was clearly a rhetorical question aimed at the doctor's thoughts.

"...you just immediately throw judgement that he is saying strap anyone in prison to a chair and injecting tests into any and all people and laughing about it."

That's pretty much exactly what he did do and say.

"...it was clearly a rhetorical question aimed at the doctor's thoughts."

And yet when the doctor tried to express his thoughts, Rogan cut him off, said Trump was the one who could overcome the informed consent thing, was laughing about it, and said we should start with rapists.

 

[renz20003]

Gotta have some balls to agree to take a experimental vaccine, especially one that's being fast tracked.

Or want to get paid

You could get paid $1,100 to test the first potential coronavirus vaccine

The first clinical trial for a potential coronavirus vaccine is now recruiting volunteers and offering up to $1,100 in compensation.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Kaido]

All of my food service clients are taking a major hit - restaurants, bakeries, candy shops, etc. It's really, really bad for them. Pickup & delivery options are picking up, but it's nowhere near the same scale as having daily dine-in visitors. No matter how popular a restaurant is, they're all kind of week-to-week businesses due to low margins; most of them make their money from various drinks (soda in particular, due to the markup) & not having people sitting down & ordering that stuff is really eating into the revenue required to keep these places afloat.

Depending on how long the lockdowns last, I unfortunately foresee some of them shutting down for good. I agree with Eater...the government needs to do a bailout for restaurants. I don't know what that will look like, whether it's financial aid or tax write-offs, but we have 150k+ restaurant workers in my state alone & a lot of people are hurting financially right now because of COVID-19, not to mention possibly not having a job at all in coming weeks & months:

Restaurants Are Fucked — Unless They Get a Bailout

America’s restaurant industry has never seen a crisis on this scale before

www.eater.com

I've pretty much done nothing but setup VPN's for the past week. The commercial vendors are getting swamped with requests; fortunately there are some good open-source options for companies who don't have paid appliances in place already.

I'm curious to see how our infrastructure handles having a massive amount of RDP users. Fiber is pretty prevalent in most areas now, and even my smaller customers have fiber-backed cable internet, and so far things are holding up pretty solidly. Modern server hardware can handle large user loads pretty well these days.

I have some buddies in school IT & hospital IT & they are just getting slammed. Fortunately a lot of schools already have iPads, Chromebooks, Blackboard (ick), and Google services in place for online work The school IT departments are not just managing the situation for the next two weeks, but are expecting it to be out months, if not the rest of the school year. For schools that are prepared, it will be a non-issue, but I think shipping replacement parts in for stuff like iPads & laptops will be an issue long-term over the coming months due to importing from China & other supply-chain logistical issues.

What a mess. This really goes to show how unprepared we are for stuff like this. I think situations like this are a good wake-up call for us to beef up our infrastructure & also get our acts together on a personal level. I suspect stuff like this will only get worse as time goes on...we're approaching 8 billion people with a global supply chain that is highly dependent on everyone doing their part, and a virus just shut the world down. Pretty crazy from a business perspective, not to mention how it's affected the stock market, people's anxiety levels, etc.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I've pretty much done nothing but setup VPN's for the past week. The commercial vendors are getting swamped with requests; fortunately there are some good open-source options for companies who don't have paid appliances in place already.

I'm curious to see how our infrastructure handles having a massive amount of RDP users. Fiber is pretty prevalent in most areas now, and even my smaller customers have fiber-backed cable internet, and so far things are holding up pretty solidly. Modern server hardware can handle large user loads pretty well these days.

Similar boat. Our campus has a moderately robust VPN solution in place, but it hit half capacity by yesterday and we weren't even fully remote yet. Gonna be an interesting spring.

 

[Brainonska511]

Similar boat. Our campus has a moderately robust VPN solution in place, but it hit half capacity by yesterday and we weren't even fully remote yet. Gonna be an interesting spring.

My company has asked us to only use our company VPN when we need to move files on or off our shared server. Some of us have taken to moving files to Box, where VPN access isn't needed to share files amongst our teams internally.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

My company has asked us to only use our company VPN when we need to move files on or off our shared server. Some of us have taken to moving files to Box, where VPN access isn't needed to share files amongst our teams internally.

Just be mindful of what you put up there, and try not to make it a permanent 'shadow IT' solution. That shit gets squirrely real fast, and your IT folks won't appreciate it.

 

[Mai72]

Hopefully not. They have already started human trials on one in Seattle.

1st person in US gets experimental coronavirus vaccine

The vaccine was fast-tracked to human trials, but it will still be some time before it's ready for public use.

www.livescience.com

That's great. But, isn't a best case scenerio at least 1 year away. It's not like a vaccine will be readily available by next month.

Just my opinion, but this is why we must take this into our own hands as best as we can. I don't know about you, but I've cut out all sugars from my diet. I've upped my vit c, d3 and although my gyms are closed I plan to run, do push ups, etc. Home workouts. I also want to get 7-9 hours of sleep and meditate as often as I can. I don't plan to sit on my ass all day and watch movies, play video games, and eat junk food while getting inadequate sleep. That sounds really tempting though. Sadly, this is what most people will probably do. Sit around all day and eat junk food. You want to be as healthy as you can when you get this virus.

 

[Brainonska511]

Just be mindful of what you put up there, and try not to make it a permanent 'shadow IT' solution. That shit gets squirrely real fast, and your IT folks won't appreciate it.

For us, it's not an ad hoc solution. Box is part of our IT infrastructure, but I know what you mean.

 

[allisolm]

That's great. But, isn't a best case scenerio at least 1 year away. It's not like a vaccine will be readily available by next month.

Didn't say it would be available next month, just that it COULD be available sooner than the years you suggested it might take. That's all.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

All of my food service clients are taking a major hit - restaurants, bakeries, candy shops, etc. It's really, really bad for them. Pickup & delivery options are picking up, but it's nowhere near the same scale as having daily dine-in visitors. No matter how popular a restaurant is, they're all kind of week-to-week businesses due to low margins; most of them make their money from various drinks (soda in particular, due to the markup) & not having people sitting down & ordering that stuff is really eating into the revenue required to keep these places afloat.

Depending on how long the lockdowns last, I unfortunately foresee some of them shutting down for good. I agree with Eater...the government needs to do a bailout for restaurants. I don't know what that will look like, whether it's financial aid or tax write-offs, but we have 150k+ restaurant workers in my state alone & a lot of people are hurting financially right now because of COVID-19, not to mention possibly not having a job at all in coming weeks & months:

Restaurants Are Fucked — Unless They Get a Bailout

America’s restaurant industry has never seen a crisis on this scale before

www.eater.com

I've pretty much done nothing but setup VPN's for the past week. The commercial vendors are getting swamped with requests; fortunately there are some good open-source options for companies who don't have paid appliances in place already.

I'm curious to see how our infrastructure handles having a massive amount of RDP users. Fiber is pretty prevalent in most areas now, and even my smaller customers have fiber-backed cable internet, and so far things are holding up pretty solidly. Modern server hardware can handle large user loads pretty well these days.

I have some buddies in school IT & hospital IT & they are just getting slammed. Fortunately a lot of schools already have iPads, Chromebooks, Blackboard (ick), and Google services in place for online work The school IT departments are not just managing the situation for the next two weeks, but are expecting it to be out months, if not the rest of the school year. For schools that are prepared, it will be a non-issue, but I think shipping replacement parts in for stuff like iPads & laptops will be an issue long-term over the coming months due to importing from China & other supply-chain logistical issues.

What a mess. This really goes to show how unprepared we are for stuff like this. I think situations like this are a good wake-up call for us to beef up our infrastructure & also get our acts together on a personal level. I suspect stuff like this will only get worse as time goes on...we're approaching 8 billion people with a global supply chain that is highly dependent on everyone doing their part, and a virus just shut the world down. Pretty crazy from a business perspective, not to mention how it's affected the stock market, people's anxiety levels, etc.

Answer isn't to bail out the restaurants IMO. It's to bail out the workers and give everyone money directly. Shut down the restaurants (or run it with bare minimum of cooks to do takeout/delivery).

Can't depend on companies to pass on their tax savings or whatever to their workers by continuing to pay them hours during these times.

 

[brianmanahan]

Answer isn't to bail out the restaurants IMO

unless they're deemed too delicious to fail

 

[Mai72]

Here is very informative video with Dr. Michael Osterholm.

*What they are finding is many people who aren't showing syptoms are shedding the virus and infecting others.
*This virus moves a lot further than 6 ft away from people. Just being in a room with someone infected is enough for you to become infected.
*Too much has been made about surface contact, deep cleaninig, etc. This is a viral virus. Breathing is all that it takes to get it.
*There are downsides to closing schools. He briefly talks about that.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Restaurants Are Fucked — Unless They Get a Bailout

America’s restaurant industry has never seen a crisis on this scale before

www.eater.com

Went to my usual restaurant yesterday afternoon. There were customers dining in but it wasn't busy by any stretch of the imagination. We stayed a couple of hours and by then the main dining area was empty when by this time it is usually full--even for a Monday. The restaurant already is cutting back closing time, but with the <50 congregation idea flying about they my close altogether. If they seriously consider that then maybe this is a time to test my idea from a decade ago and try a To-Go only function.

I feel bad for service peole. We've become such a service-base economy for the workforce that this will his a lot of families harder than probably actually getting sick.

 

[CZroe]

That's great. But, isn't a best case scenerio at least 1 year away. It's not like a vaccine will be readily available by next month.

Didn't say it would be available next month, just that it COULD be available sooner than the years you suggested it might take. That's all.

Exactly.

As if Atlanta traffic wasn't already apocalyptic in scope, a massive fire caused a section of Interstate 85 to collapse in March 2017. Everyone screamed doom and gloom because the earliest estimate for a replacement or alternate was nearly a full year away (2018). Of course, the city/state/feds offered $3mil incentives for finishing it faster and it ended up reopening 45 days later. That $3mil was easily covered by Trump's $10mil.

That's a year down to a month an a half with financial pressure alone. There's a lot more than just financial pressure for a vaccine, and with the feds willing to clear a path to fast-track it I expect we'll have something by the end of the year (hopefully autumn).

...I just hope the vaccine isn't as poorly-made as I imagine that Interstate probably is. FWIW, the original section was built properly but some homeless person deliberately started a fire that burned up the DOT's storage area underneath.

That said, you can't really fast-track certain parts of a vaccine. Understandably, they have to test safety at a small scale BEFORE they test efficacy at a larger scale. That means they can be barking up the wrong tree through the first part of trials and rushing that can make things a heck of a lot worse. Then there's actual production which is probably going to be bottlenecked by something like how long it takes to replicate.

Anyone know if this will likely use a lot of chicken eggs to produce like the flu vaccine? If so, I can't imagine they would suspend production of flu vaccine since a bad flu season can clog up medical resources too. I hope there will be enough for both but I could see this making eggs scarce at the supermarket.

 

[Svnla]

I hear this on NPR radio this morning. There are plenty of foods and supplies from the manufactures to supply the whole US for 3-4 months at the present time. The problem right now is logistic and send them fast enough. It used to be manufacturers ---> warehouses --> stores. Now they are trying to cut the warehouses out of the equation to save time.

Another problem is meat such as chicken. It takes about 3-4 months for chickens to grow and if the consumers consume too much chickens now, there would not be enough chicken down the road in 3-4 months....prices of meat could go up.

Same problem for import foods such as avocado and coffee. It takes time to harvest and bring them over to the US and prices could go up.

 

[killster1]

Not good to smoke now, same goes for weed. You want your lungs in tip top shape these days.

you can always eat the weed.. but i STILL WONDER CAN YOU GET IT FROM INFECTED FOOD.. everyone is saying dont touch your mouth eyes or nose.. well why does it matter if you touch your mouth or lick your fingers if eating food with the virus on it cant hurt you? ive talked to so many people still im baffled. you can absorb drugs from eyes nose and mouth why not the virus. brush your teeth with the virus and you will have a tiny opening for it to get it! ;P wish to watch some kinda full length video on it

 

[brainhulk]

Another problem is meat such as chicken. It takes about 3-4 months for chickens to grow and if the consumers consume too much chickens now, there would not be enough chicken down the road in 3-4 months....prices of meat could go up.

Same problem for import foods such as avocado and coffee. It takes time to harvest and bring them over to the US and prices could go up.

What about pidgeons, we have lots of those. Chinese say they taste like chicken.

If there is a coffee shortage, i am going to start hoarding beans and stocking up on ammo

 

[sdifox]

What about pidgeons, we have lots of those. Chinese say they taste like chicken.

If there is a coffee shortage, i am going to start hoarding beans and stocking up on ammo

Love roasted pigeon. Of course you only eat farm raised ones.

 

[zinfamous]

Is now the time to activate the new, stupid, "feature" to my CSP card for doordash or whatever it's called, that otherwise never would use in my life, ever? This is probably my last year with the card because the +$100 on annual fee isn't worth it (paid my normal this year, so planning to cancel next ~January when it re-ups and the new fee hits me)

Also, with all the restaurants shutting down around here, I'd like to "help" the few good ones as long as I can.

 

[Mai72]

I hear this on NPR radio this morning. There are plenty of foods and supplies from the manufactures to supply the whole US for 3-4 months at the present time. The problem right now is logistic and send them fast enough. It used to be manufacturers ---> warehouses --> stores. Now they are trying to cut the warehouses out of the equation to save time.

Another problem is meat such as chicken. It takes about 3-4 months for chickens to grow and if the consumers consume too much chickens now, there would not be enough chicken down the road in 3-4 months....prices of meat could go up.

Same problem for import foods such as avocado and coffee. It takes time to harvest and bring them over to the US and prices could go up.

This is why it's a good time to go on some kind of diet. Get rid of the crap food. Get down to basics. Rice, Oats, Chicken (if you can find it), coffee, peanut butter, frozen brocolli, few other basic items. Use those items only. You'll get fit, healtheir, etc.

 

[killster1]

What about pidgeons, we have lots of those. Chinese say they taste like chicken.

If there is a coffee shortage, i am going to start hoarding beans and stocking up on ammo

lulz im so stocked on so many things because of my vacation i had planned for the month of march. we purchased like 15 things of honey, 20 instant coffee nescafe containers from costco, all these different things you cant get in cambodia then had to cancel our vacation. sad part is never got to take it there for my mother in law but the good news is, can purchase it again if we use it all. I shipped 1000 tylenol / masks / and other medicines but have yet to see it arrive i wonder if the post office people will steal the whole thing / part of it or hard to believe none of it. to ship fedex confirmed it would have been 440$, to ship DHL was 1200$ usps no confirmation 75$. maybe i should have sprung for the 440$ but ill just ship it again if it doesnt make it. Plane tickets are 400-500$ usually so it seems crazy to pay 440$ to ship a 8.5 pound box.

 

[zinfamous]

Answer isn't to bail out the restaurants IMO. It's to bail out the workers and give everyone money directly. Shut down the restaurants (or run it with bare minimum of cooks to do takeout/delivery).

Can't depend on companies to pass on their tax savings or whatever to their workers by continuing to pay them hours during these times.

restaurant owners have to pay leases on their properties among all the other expenses. I think we need some cash infusion on the banks and property owners to cover such leases and expenses for the next 2 months, on top of some juice for employees.

In the public interest, it is absolutely vital that a lot of these places shut down indefinitely, but such places also need support and incentive to do so in the meantime. This is why government exists--outside of recommendations and mandates to protect public safety, we need mechanisms to maintain ways of life for every person effected in order to realize best possible results--especially those that are most effected.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I REALLY REALLY hope this stupid hype shit of overbuying stuff is short-lived.

I'm used to this occurring during hurricanes - where supplies REALLY are limited - and distributors aren't exactly trucking in tons of shit to a location that is about to get hit by a hurricane. I get that.

This makes zero sense, but I've never seen this kind of stuff on a long-term basis. So I'm hoping that all the stupid hoarding people are either broke or are over-supplied and don't show up for subsequent weeks so we can get back to normal.