NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[eRacer]

A rather interesting and crazy story from South Korea. Apparently a leader of the South Korean coronavirus task force was secretly a member of the cult with the hundreds of sick members, and the task force leader is now sick, and as a result his 50 person task force is now under quarantine too:

Officials in charge of countermeasures against swine new coronavirus infection (Corona 19) in western Daegu were found to have been confirmed as corona19. This official was identified as a member of the Shincheonji Daegu Church.

Young-Jin Kwon, the Mayor of Daegu at the morning briefing on the 24th, said, “The head of Daegu Seogu Health Center's Infection Prevention Medicine Team was confirmed on the 23rd. He was confirmed as a member of the church. ” He was responsible for overseeing all Western Corona protection measures. He later confirmed that he was a member of the Shinchonji congregation after the confirmation. As a result, 50 employees working at the center were self-contained. There was a gap in the local government's defense measures.

The government, in cooperation with the Sinchonji Church, is investigating members of the Shincheonji Daegu Church and other members who have visited this area. However, as in the case of Western health centers, it is expected that many people hide their membership and continue their daily lives. Local governments, such as Seoul Metropolitan Government, have also been asked to mobilize administrative powers, such as seizure and search, to obtain a list of members.

 

[Ichinisan]

It looks like SEA/Aussie/NA/EU(except Italy) are relatively stable unlikely Jap/SK, e


And India host another 20% of the population while only have 3 cases, don't get me wrong it is great news but I find it hard to believe.

You can't really trust India's ability to diagnose and report cases.

 

[allisolm]

And even if the virus doesn't take a foothold in the US, its effects in China and elsewhere can still cause an economic trainwreck in the US that may begin within the next couple months.

While not exactly a trainwreck, the local effect has begun for Tallahassee. A company here has announced that they are stopping production of their product due to lack of parts needed. And they make oil-free,
energy-efficient centrifugal compressors for air conditioning, heating and refrigeration systems worldwide. I'm sure this is happening elsewhere as well and does not bode well for many other companies.

 

[eRacer]

Yeah, from what one knows of the Iranian government, I don't think it's mad conspiracy-theorising to suspect there are a lot more cases there than have been reported (symptomatic or not). I guess it's not impossible that deaths could be under-reported also, but that seems to require a higher threshold of conspiracy.

Already 900 suspected cases in Iran. And a higher Iranian death toll than official reported has moved from conspiracy theory to unsubstantiated claim:

Iran rejects reported Qom death toll of 50 from new virus

A staggering 50 people have died in the Iranian city of Qom from the new coronavirus this month, a lawmaker was quoted as saying on Monday, even as the Health Ministry insisted only 12 deaths have been recorded nationwide.

The new death toll reported by the Qom representative, Ahmad Amirabadi Farahani, is significantly higher than the 47 total cases of infections state TV had reported just hours earlier. Iran's health ministry now says total infections have risen to 61, but a spokesman said deaths remained at 12.

Farahani, the lawmaker, said the 50 deaths in Qom date as far back as Feb. 13. Iran first officially reported cases of the virus and its first deaths on Feb. 19.

Health Ministry spokesman Iraj Harirchi insisted Monday the death toll from the virus remains at 12. He did, however, raise the number of confirmed cases of infections to 61, and added that some 900 other suspected cases are being tested.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Christ, seeing such big outbreaks in China + Iran it is almost easy to start a conspiracy theory that the US secretly planted it or something hah.

Of course, it kinda falls apart because I'm pretty sure epidemics like this would be something no country would ever think is worthy of risking because there is little chance of the containment not reaching your country.

It is rather funny though that the biggest outbreaks are in countries that are probably incredibly likely to try and downplay or suppress the numbers that are infected.

 

[pmv]

WHO seem to be saying that China has started to get it under control, if I understand their statements correctly. Sounds like positive news. If China's internal quarantine measures are working, maybe Italy's lockdown will likewise stop the spread there?
Seems to me that Iran is the worrying one - not convinced the regime there is being honest about the situation.

 

[pmv]

Christ, seeing such big outbreaks in China + Iran it is almost easy to start a conspiracy theory that the US secretly planted it or something hah.

Of course, it kinda falls apart because I'm pretty sure epidemics like this would be something no country would ever think is worthy of risking because there is little chance of the containment not reaching your country.

It is rather funny though that the biggest outbreaks are in countries that are probably incredibly likely to try and downplay or suppress the numbers that are infected.

Though it would imply the US has a secret vendetta against South Korea as well. Plus the cruise ship industry.

 

[K1052]

WHO seem to be saying that China has started to get it under control, if I understand their statements correctly. Sounds like positive news. If China's internal quarantine measures are working, maybe Italy's lockdown will likewise stop the spread there?
Seems to me that Iran is the worrying one - not convinced the regime there is being honest about the situation.

China has also said that industry is returning to normal which basically everybody agrees is very much not the case. Beware rosy claims coming out of authoritarian nations who don't want to be embarrassed or are trying to contain the economic damage.

I don't think new clusters outside China point to progress, rather the opposite that now that it's out of China it will be extremely difficult if not impossible to contain long term.

 

[pmv]

China has also said that industry is returning to normal which basically everybody agrees is very much not the case. Beware rosy claims coming out of authoritarian nations who don't want to be embarrassed or are trying to contain the economic damage.

I don't think new clusters outside China point to progress, rather the opposite that now that it's out of China it will be extremely difficult if not impossible to contain long term.

I suppose it depends whether one trusts the WHO. But I don't see any inconsistency between new clusters appearing outside China, and China itself finally managing to stop the spread internally. Furthermore a 'steep decline in new cases' (what the WHO reports) wouldn't immediately lead to industry returning to normal - that would surely come a very long while after turning the corner on new infections?
It could be that the main driver of new cases will eventually shift from China to some of those secondary outbreaks, maybe?

 

[Roger Wilco]

Italy is very worrisome, as most nations still do not have active travel restrictions against them. Germany said they will not close their border to Italy, because they don't want to generate more panic doing so.

 

[K1052]

I suppose it depends whether one trusts the WHO. But I don't see any inconsistency between new clusters appearing outside China, and China itself finally managing to stop the spread internally. Furthermore a 'steep decline in new cases' (what the WHO reports) wouldn't immediately lead to industry returning to normal - that would surely come a very long while after turning the corner on new infections?
It could be that the main driver of new cases will eventually shift from China to some of those secondary outbreaks, maybe?

The WHO is largely reliant on what the Chinese government tells them. I don't think we can automatically assume that the Chinese are telling the truth or all of it anyway. They've issued rosy predictions before and them come back to tell that the problem is really a lot worse than they led on.

The locations where there are new outbreaks are worrying to me because most of those countries have their own reasons to obscure what's really happening. South Korea and Japan will want to avoid embarrassment and Iran doesn't want to tell anybody anything unless it's totally inescapable.

 

[Muse]

Yes, who wouldn't want pro-globalization, pro-open borders, pro-illegal alien Democrats instead of a border securing, travel banning, China skeptic, America first germophobe during this pandemic?

White House expected to ask Congress for coronavirus money this week

But that guy has proven to be incapable of identifying qualified administrators. The only thing you can expect from his teams is dysfunctionality. I'd much prefer a Democrat in the White House come Jan. 21, 2021. Then we'd stand a chance of dealing with this crisis effectively.

 

[eRacer]

But that guy has proven to be incapable of identifying qualified administrators. The only thing you can expect from his teams is dysfunctionality. I'd much prefer a Democrat in the White House come Jan. 21, 2021. Then we'd stand a chance of dealing with this crisis effectively.

One of the first actions of the Obama administration was to lift the two decade old HIV ban on immigrants. That alone is proof Democrats can't be trusted in regards to infectious disease.

Considering the recent coronavirus developments, I will be EXTREMELY disappointed if a coronavirus policy question isn't asked during the next Democratic debate. Coronavirus related questions in future presidential debates should be just as common as questions on health care, education, immigration, taxation, racism, etc. because if coronavirus ends up spreading throughout the US it will have a drastic impact on almost every other hot button political issue.

 

[sdifox]

One of the first actions of the Obama administration was to lift the two decade old HIV ban on immigrants. That alone is proof Democrats can't be trusted in regards to infectious disease.

Considering the recent coronavirus developments, I will be EXTREMELY disappointed if a coronavirus policy question isn't asked during the next Democratic debate. Coronavirus related questions in future presidential debates should be just as common as questions on health care, education, immigration, taxation, racism, etc. because if coronavirus ends up spreading throughout the US it will have a drastic impact on almost every other hot button political issue.

... You understand HIV is now manageable with regular anti-viral drugs that stops it from infecting other people? It is now a manageable decease.


Your precious rotten orange defunded a program designed for rapid outbreak control...

 

[K1052]

One of the first actions of the Obama administration was to lift the two decade old HIV ban on immigrants. That alone is proof Democrats can't be trusted in regards to infectious disease.

People who bring this up are rotten to the core.

 

[eRacer]

... You understand HIV is now manageable with regular anti-viral drugs that stops it from infecting other people? It is now a manageable decease.

Looks like you've proven my point. Democrats willingly and proudly import those with infectious diseases in the US, and don't care at all that the cost of treatment may be $15,000+ a year for life, and rely on those afflicted to comply with their treatment plan. I wouldn't be surprised if some Democrats in the future talk about allowing tens or hundreds of thousands of "coronavirus refugees" into the country much like they talk about importing tens of thousands of "climate refugees".

Your precious rotten orange defunded a program designed for rapid outbreak control...

The CDC lost the War Against Obesity and the War Against Opioid Abuse during the Obama administration. I guess Obama and the Obama CDC just didn't care about public health.

White House expected to ask Congress for coronavirus money this week

 

[randay]

Looks like you've proven my point. Democrats willingly and proudly import those with infectious diseases in the US, and don't care at all that the cost of treatment may be $15,000+ a year for life, and rely on those afflicted to comply with their treatment plan. I wouldn't be surprised if some Democrats in the future talk about allowing tens or hundreds of thousands of "coronavirus refugees" into the country much like they talk about importing tens of thousands of "climate refugees".


The CDC lost the War Against Obesity and the War Against Opioid Abuse during the Obama administration. I guess Obama and the Obama CDC just didn't care about public health.

White House expected to ask Congress for coronavirus money this week

could you do me a favor and shut the fuck up thanks

 

[pmv]

One of the first actions of the Obama administration was to lift the two decade old HIV ban on immigrants. That alone is proof Democrats can't be trusted in regards to infectious disease.

Considering the recent coronavirus developments, I will be EXTREMELY disappointed if a coronavirus policy question isn't asked during the next Democratic debate. Coronavirus related questions in future presidential debates should be just as common as questions on health care, education, immigration, taxation, racism, etc. because if coronavirus ends up spreading throughout the US it will have a drastic impact on almost every other hot button political issue.

HIV does not spread in anything like the same manner as this disease, so there's no relationship between the two issues.

 

[pmv]

Looks like you've proven my point. Democrats willingly and proudly import those with infectious diseases in the US, and don't care at all that the cost of treatment may be $15,000+ a year for life, and rely on those afflicted to comply with their treatment plan. I wouldn't be surprised if some Democrats in the future talk about allowing tens or hundreds of thousands of "coronavirus refugees" into the country much like they talk about importing tens of thousands of "climate refugees".


The CDC lost the War Against Obesity and the War Against Opioid Abuse during the Obama administration. I guess Obama and the Obama CDC just didn't care about public health.

White House expected to ask Congress for coronavirus money this week

Is opiod abuse really a 'disease'?

Seems to me that obesity and opiod abuse are especially a problem in countries that are very keen on the free-market. You know, the free-market that Republicans attach so much value to.

 

[Mai72]

We have to wonder how many are actually infected in USA. I'm just thinking how disruptive this could be for the world. Cancelations of big important events. Schools closed. Factories shut down. Transportation stopped. Governments inoperable. The list goes on...

 

[Roger Wilco]

Xenophobia and isolation will be no match for this. No policy will do anything more than delay the inevitable.

 

[sdifox]

Looks like you've proven my point. Democrats willingly and proudly import those with infectious diseases in the US, and don't care at all that the cost of treatment may be $15,000+ a year for life, and rely on those afflicted to comply with their treatment plan. I wouldn't be surprised if some Democrats in the future talk about allowing tens or hundreds of thousands of "coronavirus refugees" into the country much like they talk about importing tens of thousands of "climate refugees".


The CDC lost the War Against Obesity and the War Against Opioid Abuse during the Obama administration. I guess Obama and the Obama CDC just didn't care about public health.

White House expected to ask Congress for coronavirus money this week

Welp, you already have idiots refusing vaccines. What is the diff? Your rotten orange is now scrambling to get funding for what he defunded...

Rolling back FDA control has impact on diabetes and obesity, who knew?

 

[K1052]

We have to wonder how many are actually infected in USA. I'm just thinking how disruptive this could be for the world. Cancelations of big important events. Schools closed. Factories shut down. Transportation stopped. Governments inoperable. The list goes on...

States should pass legislation enabling them to hold elections via mail if a state of emergency is declared.

 

[K1052]

Xenophobia and isolation will be no match for this. No policy will do anything more than delay the inevitable.

I mean that's really what's understood at this point. Containment really just delays something like this so governments can prepare. The problem is that few seem to be preparing and are just hoping containment is going to work.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Is opiod abuse really a 'disease'?

Seems to me that obesity and opiod abuse are especially a problem in countries that are very keen on the free-market. You know, the free-market that Republicans attach so much value to.

lol blaming the free market on Opioid abuse?

Really? Have you been to many other countries?

Also a lot of people in other countries don't turn to drugs a lot of times because instead of wondering where they are going to get their next hit they are instead asking "Where am I going to get my next meal?" or "Where can I sleep tonight?". Sadly in a lot of those countries food banks, sleeping bags, and homeless shelters aren't as available here.