NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[[DHT]Osiris]

No,don't misunderstand me,I wasn't trying to tell people to ignore their symptoms if they think they have it,I was advising them not to overreact.I totally agree that it isn't well understood but not anyone is going to die from it.Sure you can get it,but there is a difference between having it and being sick.For example,for people that are very young and healthy it will be just like some kind of cold and nothing more.

There have literally been people in their 20's dying from this.

I feel like you've never dealt with pneumonia before. Is that true?

 

[noscop3]

There have literally been people in their 20's dying from this.

I feel like you've never dealt with pneumonia before. Is that true?

yes it is.exactly my point tho.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

yes it is.exactly my point tho.

Yes it is what?

What is exactly your point?

I can tell English isn't your native language so you're gonna need to try a little harder.

For many cases, yes, young people need not be concerned. Not in every case though, and given enough people that are ill, hospitals will fill, and people will be forced to fend for themselves. At that point even mild pneumonia can kill.

 

[noscop3]

Yes it is what?

What is exactly your point?

I can tell English isn't your native language so you're gonna need to try a little harder.

For many cases, yes, young people need not be concerned. Not in every case though, and given enough people that are ill, hospitals will fill, and people will be forced to fend for themselves. At that point even mild pneumonia can kill.

You asked "is that true".It's not my native language,you're right,but i'm pretty sure that's a correct answer.Anyway,I don't know everything about this virus and I accept that I might not be 100% right,always happy to learn more.I live in a country where we have only 1 case currently so it's nothing serious.Let's just hope it doesn't actually get where the news are saying it will.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You asked "is that true".It's not my native language,you're right,but i'm pretty sure that's a correct answer.Anyway,I don't know everything about this virus and I accept that I might not be 100% right,always happy to learn more.I live in a country where we have only 1 case currently so it's nothing serious.Let's just hope it doesn't actually get where the news are saying it will.

Understood. So pneumonia is bad, very bad, especially in older adults but including children. This virus causes pneumonia pretty commonly, and in roughly 20% of infections requires hospital care. If 20% of basically any city on the planet required hospital care at once, a very large percentage of those would not be admitted due to lack of beds. Survivability of advanced pneumonia without medical care is low.

I, too, am hoping it's not as bad as it looks. I'm also stocking up on dry goods and gatorade.

 

[ponyo]

My wife just told me something that totally makes sense. She said the situation in South Korea already passed the peak and is only going to get better even though the number of discovered cases will only exponentially grow. The reason for this is that South Korea is the only country right now testing like crazy right now. The entire country is pretty much in lockdown and they're testing between 10,000 to 15,000 people daily. No other country is doing this. And what this massive testing is doing is just uncovering the coronavirus that already spread and previously infected people. So while the daily numbers coming out of South Korea is really alarming and ugly, it's really not if you think about it. They're just now discovering cases that already existed. They just didn't know before because they didn't do this massive testing. So expect South Korea to continue to report really ugly growing numbers of cases for awhile. And the international community will freak out about the growing daily numbers coming out of South Korea. But that doesn't mean it's spreading over there right now. It's my opinion South Korea cases are not growing and actually decreasing daily at the moment because of the massive lockdown and extensive disinfection going on in that country. Streets and stores are completely empty. Everyone is on high alert and exercising extreme precaution.

So we need to look at South Korea and keep an close eye on their numbers. They're the only country in the world reporting accurate numbers right now IMO.

 

[eRacer]

2-4% is too high, it's probably 1/10th that, reason being that they're vastly underestimating the number of infections...

That is not what the WHO found on their China trip.

New data from China buttress fears about high coronavirus fatality rate, WHO expert says

One of the hopes of people watching China’s coronavirus outbreak was that the alarming picture of its lethality is probably exaggerated because a lot of mild cases are likely being missed.

But on Tuesday, a World Health Organization expert suggested that does not appear to be the case. Bruce Aylward, who led an international mission to China to learn about the virus and China’s response, said the specialists did not see evidence that a large number of mild cases of the novel disease called Covid-19 are evading detection.

“So I know everybody’s been out there saying, ‘Whoa, this thing is spreading everywhere and we just can’t see it, tip of the iceberg.’ But the data that we do have don’t support that,” Aylward said during a briefing for journalists at WHO’s Geneva headquarters.

 

[Captante]

Technically speaking pneumonia is an infection in one or both lungs. Bacteria, viruses, and fungi can all cause it. The bad part is that it causes your lungs to fill with fluid and/or pus and if untreated eventually can potentially render some folks unable to breathe.

Good news is that the vast majority of healthy people with strong immune response will recover on their own, however it appears that the version caused by Covid-19 is more dangerous then most.

 

[snoopy7548]

Currently, in the US the flu is worse. Will I stay that way? I don't know.

Is Covid-19 worse than the flu world wide? Define worse? More fatal? Probably, but we just don't know yet.

I'm not going one way or the other, I'm remaining agnostic.

BTW, Dr. Fauci just a week ago stated that currently the flu was more worrisome than Covid-19 for the US. Remember, the guy Trump was mentioning during the conference? Can that change? Certainly, I'm just not in it for sensational speculation.

Most likely not, considering we know that the flu is seasonal and we have (mostly) free vaccines for it, along with the fact that we understand it and can treat it effectively.

 

[TheVrolok]

Most likely not, considering we know that the flu is seasonal and we have (mostly) free vaccines for it, along with the fact that we understand it and can treat it effectively.

I agree, as I said, probably not. We'll see how it all shakes out.

 

[Muse]

I have seen mention of ANOTHER Coronavirus thread, not this "non-political" one. Can someone please provide links to any other covid-19 related threads at Anandtech Forums? The only related one I know about (subscribed) is entitled:

News - Dow bouncing around -1000

 

[Captante]

I have seen mention of ANOTHER Coronavirus thread, not this "non-political" one. Can someone please provide links to any other covid-19 related threads at Anandtech Forums? The only related one I know about (subscribed) is entitled:

News - Dow bouncing around -1000

Although its difficult to tell this is it.

 

[Muse]

At this point it sounds like were pretty fucked. Instead of everyone trying to avoid it and making this draw out to be a 6-12 month ordeal it almost sounds easier to just have a mass infection.


.... You first though

Actually, that's pretty stupid. Everyone at once means there's no resources to treat practically everyone. Drawn out, more resources at any given time. And if we're both going to get it, me first works for me, not you. Best time to get it (if and only if that confers immunity) is early.

 

[CZroe]

Currently, in the US the flu is worse. Will it stay that way? I don't know.

Is Covid-19 worse than the flu world wide? Define worse? More fatal? Probably, but we just don't know yet.

I'm not going one way or the other, I'm remaining agnostic.

BTW, Dr. Fauci just a week ago stated that currently the flu was more worrisome than Covid-19 for the US. Remember, the guy Trump was mentioning during the conference? Can that change? Certainly, I'm just not in it for sensational speculation.

Sure, but "currently" in the same way that flu was worse everywhere last year before we knew this existed. It's obviously not "currently" that we are worried about.

With what we already know, we can reasonably expect community spread of SARS-CoV-2 in North America to be notably worse than the endemic seasonal influenzas that we are already aware of circulating in North America. "Worse" in many ways. We can reasonably say that anyone confidently believing it won't be as bad as our current flu strains is delusional, misinformed, or has an optimism bias... unless they just discovered a new flu that really is worse!

 

[brainhulk]

My wife just told me something that totally makes sense. She said the situation in South Korea already passed the peak and is only going to get better even though the number of discovered cases will only exponentially grow. The reason for this is that South Korea is the only country right now testing like crazy right now. The entire country is pretty much in lockdown and they're testing between 10,000 to 15,000 people daily. No other country is doing this. And what this massive testing is doing is just uncovering the coronavirus that already spread and previously infected people. So while the daily numbers coming out of South Korea is really alarming and ugly, it's really not if you think about it. They're just now discovering cases that already existed. They just didn't know before because they didn't do this massive testing. So expect South Korea to continue to report really ugly growing numbers of cases for awhile. And the international community will freak out about the growing daily numbers coming out of South Korea. But that doesn't mean it's spreading over there right now. It's my opinion South Korea cases are not growing and actually decreasing daily at the moment because of the massive lockdown and extensive disinfection going on in that country. Streets and stores are completely empty. Everyone is on high alert and exercising extreme precaution.

So we need to look at South Korea and keep an close eye on their numbers. They're the only country in the world reporting accurate numbers right now IMO.

What percentage of the population are in church cults over there?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Actually, that's pretty stupid. Everyone at once means there's no resources to treat practically everyone. Drawn out, more resources at any given time. And if we're both going to get it, me first works for me, not you. Best time to get it (if and only if that confers immunity) is early.

I guess the "long and drawn out" I worry about the economic effects long term instead of a short term problem that we can quickly recover from.

People are going to try to not get affected - but inevitably they will have to based on:
1) Needing to buy food/drink/medicine/etc - thus exposure to the public + people
2) Needing to earn money in order to pay bills, buy food, pay mortgage, etc... - thus exposure from working.

 

[Muse]

For example,for people that are very young and healthy it will be just like some kind of cold and nothing more.

How do you know that? Statistically it may be likely, but AFAIK not something you can depend on. IOW, AFAIK, you could be young and healthy and be overtaken by this pathogen. Cite me something otherwise and I may change my mind, however I've seen and heard nothing that corroborates your assertion

 

[Muse]

I, too, am hoping it's not as bad as it looks. I'm also stocking up on dry goods and gatorade.

Um, please let me ask. Why Gatorade? I've never bought any and AFAIK, never drank any. Do I want to buy a case on my Monday Costco run and why? Also, is there an alternative to Gatorade? TIA...

 

[Muse]

That is not what the WHO found on their China trip.

New data from China buttress fears about high coronavirus fatality rate, WHO expert says

The numbers I cited are from the video you posted earlier here of an interview of Dr. Gottlieb.

The WHO guy who asserted that there's not so many unreported cases looks to be sensationizing. An expert disagrees with him, according to this from your link:

The claim was quickly challenged by an infectious diseases expert who serves on a committee that advises the WHO’s health emergencies program.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Um, please let me ask. Why Gatorade? I've never bought any and AFAIK, never drank any. Do I want to buy a case on my Monday Costco run and why? Also, is there an alternative to Gatorade? TIA...

If someone's very sick and either has trouble keeping food down, or has issues with specific food types, gatorade can go a long way to maintaining fluid and electrolyte balance. Usually more of a thing if someone's throwing up, but it's good in a pinch for some non-perishable caloric intake, and it's about as cheap as water.

We usually have a 12-pack of two on-hand, but haven't had any stocked lately.

 

[Roger Wilco]

My wife just told me something that totally makes sense. She said the situation in South Korea already passed the peak and is only going to get better even though the number of discovered cases will only exponentially grow. The reason for this is that South Korea is the only country right now testing like crazy right now. The entire country is pretty much in lockdown and they're testing between 10,000 to 15,000 people daily. No other country is doing this. And what this massive testing is doing is just uncovering the coronavirus that already spread and previously infected people. So while the daily numbers coming out of South Korea is really alarming and ugly, it's really not if you think about it. They're just now discovering cases that already existed. They just didn't know before because they didn't do this massive testing. So expect South Korea to continue to report really ugly growing numbers of cases for awhile. And the international community will freak out about the growing daily numbers coming out of South Korea. But that doesn't mean it's spreading over there right now. It's my opinion South Korea cases are not growing and actually decreasing daily at the moment because of the massive lockdown and extensive disinfection going on in that country. Streets and stores are completely empty. Everyone is on high alert and exercising extreme precaution.

So we need to look at South Korea and keep an close eye on their numbers. They're the only country in the world reporting accurate numbers right now IMO.

I don't want to speak too soon, but I think there is a lot of credence to this. The most serious cases will be the first to be noticed, which will likely skew the data and produce an exaggerated mortality rate. Even as time progresses and more cases are confirmed, there will be many people who have it and will not be tested because they are either asymptomatic or their symptoms are completely analogous to a cold in the middle of cold season.

South Korea is going to be a very important data source for the US as the contagion spreads here.

 

[CZroe]

Um, please let me ask. Why Gatorade? I've never bought any and AFAIK, never drank any. Do I want to buy a case on my Monday Costco run and why? Also, is there an alternative to Gatorade? TIA...

It's got the electrolytes plants crave (tm).

 

[Muse]

If someone's very sick and either has trouble keeping food down, or has issues with specific food types, gatorade can go a long way to maintaining fluid and electrolyte balance. Usually more of a thing if someone's throwing up, but it's good in a pinch for some non-perishable caloric intake, and it's about as cheap as water.

We usually have a 12-pack of two on-hand, but haven't had any stocked lately.

Thanks. OK, guess I'll put a 12 pack on my shopping list "just-in-case!" I hate being sick. I can't assume I'm not coming down with this, I figure odds are at least 50-50 I will. Anything I can do to lessen the severity is something I should be prepared for.

Salud! Good health to all!

 

[herm0016]

we are hitting Costco this evening, you all want a report?

 

[K1052]

Newsome says 30 plus confirmed in CA. Monitoring 8400.