NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[K1052]

France shutting again

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321532880254836742

 

[Svnla]

Just saw on the France24 channel, the country is shutting down again and people are scramming to get foods and supplies. The shelves are bare/empty again. Where are the usual suspects that love to blame? Who are you blaming this time? Uh huh.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I think the writing is on the wall that we might shutdown again too. Cases are rising, in some places even more than what was original. I think right now the government is in a big dilemma, do we try to ride this wave so we can keep the economy going, or do we shutdown again to lower spread and avoid it to get out of control.

 

[K1052]

Just saw on the France24 channel, the country is shutting down again and people are scramming to get foods and supplies. The shelves are bare/empty again. Where are the usual suspects that love to blame? Who are you blaming this time? Uh huh.

I think the useful distinction to draw are the places that gave up or started to ignore the threat after good initial responses and those that have kept after it relentlessly (much of Asia).

 

[K1052]

Regeneron's combo monoclonal looks pretty good if you give it early, especially to high risk patients (significant probability this saved Trump's bacon).

Very tight availability though.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321558486271053825

 

[Mai72]

Fauci says that US may not be back to normal until 2022. This sucks, and will only get bad this winter. Stay safe all.

US may not be back to normal until 2022, Fauci says | CNN

Nationwide, the average number of daily new cases this past week is up 21% compared to the previous week. But testing has increased only 6.63% over the same time frame.

www.cnn.com

 

[pmv]

Fauci says that US may not be back to normal until 2022. This sucks, and will only get bad this winter. Stay safe all.

US may not be back to normal until 2022, Fauci says | CNN

Nationwide, the average number of daily new cases this past week is up 21% compared to the previous week. But testing has increased only 6.63% over the same time frame.

www.cnn.com

Yeah, I find it hard to believe the world in general will be able to get 'back to normal' for at least another year. And even after that the virus will still hang around in some areas and flare up intermittently, I suspect. It shows no sign of slowing any time soon. Wonder what the total global death toll will be? A few million, maybe?

 

[K1052]

Moderna thinks they are on track. Could be right, they did slow enrollment to include more minorities who are being infected at higher rates so could be accumulating events faster. We'll see.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321785536428888064

 

[Denly]

I think the writing is on the wall that we might shutdown again too. Cases are rising, in some places even more than what was original. I think right now the government is in a big dilemma, do we try to ride this wave so we can keep the economy going, or do we shutdown again to lower spread and avoid it to get out of control.

Ford sound exciting yesterday, other than GTA's stage 2 1/2 lock down Ontario might have dodge the bullet "for now"

 

[K1052]

An underfunded and disorganized vaccination campaign is a growing concern as we get closer to having something available.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321912703108210689

 

[Scarpozzi]

An underfunded and disorganized vaccination campaign is a growing concern as we get closer to having something available.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321912703108210689

I agree....I posted something that was political in nature....so I retracted it.

Distribution is going to be tricky, especially in rural America. Furthermore, the distribution is going to be tough if they ship vials out too quickly and end up not tracking the stockpiles. I can see Philadelphia or Jersey getting large quantities that aren't consumed and other cities states having shortages. It's going to take time to connect the logistics appropriately.

 

[K1052]

I agree....I posted something that was political in nature....so I retracted it.

Distribution is going to be tricky, especially in rural America. Furthermore, the distribution is going to be tough if they ship vials out too quickly and end up not tracking the stockpiles. I can see Philadelphia or Jersey getting large quantities that aren't consumed and other cities states having shortages. It's going to take time to connect the logistics appropriately.

Yeah there is a lot that could potentially go wrong and this government totally f'd up the distribution of supplies and drugs already so I'm not exactly super confident about their skills in directing distribution of an even more complex product.

 

[Grey_Beard]

Yeah there is a lot that could potentially go wrong and this government totally f'd up the distribution of supplies and drugs already so I'm not exactly super confident about their skills in directing distribution of an even more complex product.

I wonder how many doses will be contaminated because they were not kept at right temperature? Seems like this is the best way the incompetence will impact the roll out.

 

[Spacehead]

Didn't Trump say the military was going to be in charge of distribution?

No idea if that would be good or bad.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Didn't Trump say the military was going to be in charge of distribution?

No idea if that would be good or bad.

That was what I wrote about and deleted... trying to keep it non-political...but I guess it's just a quote. He said he had one general, in particular, that's ready to go as soon as the vaccine is ready... So relax already!

 

[Mai72]

We shall see...

 

[Ajay]

An underfunded and disorganized vaccination campaign is a growing concern as we get closer to having something available.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321912703108210689

Good God. As we start to get promising news on the availability of vaccines - this .
If 2020 sucks, what are we going to be saying about 2021. I really, really hope that our bodies remember how to create antibodies for at least 12 months, or this plague will continue.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Good God. As we start to get promising news on the availability of vaccines - this .
If 2020 sucks, what are we going to be saying about 2021. I really, really hope that our bodies remember how to create antibodies for at least 12 months, or this plague will continue.

Tough to say. I just hope I can continue to work from my man cave through next year. If things get better, I may come out next May.

 

[CZroe]

Good God. As we start to get promising news on the availability of vaccines - this .
If 2020 sucks, what are we going to be saying about 2021. I really, really hope that our bodies remember how to create antibodies for at least 12 months, or this plague will continue.

T-cell immunity is where it's at. People with the original SARS-CoV didn't have antibodies for long but they still have T-cell immunity, even today (17 years later). All indications are that this is exactly how our immune systems will work with SARS-CoV-2. Your T-cells will recognize infected cells and destroy them before the virus can get a foothold.

The media raising the alarm about this demonstrates limited awareness of the many facets for viral immunity.

 

[K1052]

Didn't Trump say the military was going to be in charge of distribution?

No idea if that would be good or bad.

The military's role in this has not been explained. Frankly I have trouble conceiving what it could be since the administration has required states and cities to develop and submit vaccination plans.

 

[Ajay]

T-cell immunity is where it's at. People with the original SARS-CoV didn't have antibodies for long but they still have T-cell immunity, even today (17 years later). All indications are that this is exactly how our immune systems will work with SARS-Cov-2. Your T-cells will recognize infected cells and destroy them before the virus can replicate.

The media raising the alarm about antibodies have demonstrably limited awareness of how our multi-faceted immune system works.

Thanks for that positive note and reminder! The media has been been its usual self blasting about over 'studies' on antibody retention, and I fell for it*. I guess it’s going to take time to get good studies on long term T cell effectiveness and beta cell 'memory'.

*This surge is putting me on edge.

 

[Ajay]

Noticed yesterday that a local Starbucks is closed to instore ordering and pickup (drive thru only). I wonder is someone was positive for COVID. If so, kudos to them.

 

[H T C]

France shutting again

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321532880254836742

I have no proof but i'm convinced that's it's the schools that are driving the spread. Here's why:

1 - parent(s) catch the virus somewhere and remain asymptomatic
2 - parent(s) pass it on to kid(s) that also remain asymptomatic
3 - kid(s) pass it on to fellow classmate(s), also asymptomatic, not in classes themselves but either between classes or entering / leaving schools
4 - fellow classmate(s) pass it on to their parents

By the time someone presents symptoms, there's already a HUGE bunch of people infected, and that is PER SCHOOL.

By keeping schools open, i think it will take much longer for France to be able to leave lockdown, thus further aggravating it's economic consequences: they should limit schools in person only for kids up to ... say ... 10 years old or so.

Is it bad to have e-learning for older kids? It's far from ideal but, considering the circumstances and IF I'M RIGHT, it's a heck of a lot better than the alternative, IMO.

 

[K1052]

I have no proof but i'm convinced that's it's the schools that are driving the spread. Here's why:

1 - parent(s) catch the virus somewhere and remain asymptomatic
2 - parent(s) pass it on to kid(s) that also remain asymptomatic
3 - kid(s) pass it on to fellow classmate(s), also asymptomatic, not in classes themselves but either between classes or entering / leaving schools
4 - fellow classmate(s) pass it on to their parents

By the time someone presents symptoms, there's already a HUGE bunch of people infected, and that is PER SCHOOL.

By keeping schools open, i think it will take much longer for France to be able to leave lockdown, thus further aggravating it's economic consequences: they should limit schools in person only for kids up to ... say ... 10 years old or so.

Is it bad to have e-learning for older kids? It's far from ideal but, considering the circumstances and IF I'M RIGHT, it's a heck of a lot better than the alternative, IMO.

Current evidence seems to indicate younger kids don't really spread the virus much at all but teenagers are little biological bombs. The former need in person schooling much more than the latter.

 

[K1052]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1322240007785119744

I hear the buffets are to die for.