NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Red Squirrel]

Be sure to practice safe sex!

 

[manly]

On Election Day he will be touting his success at bringing us the vaccine with a massive roll-out "before anyone ever dreamed it was possible." He'll go on and on about how "they" said he couldn't do it but he moved mountains to make it happen. "America first" and all that. He'll take full credit for saving the economy by pressuring the CDC and FDA. For a few days it will look like it is happening... until those 40 million doses run out. "A few days" is all he needs. If it works out he will win votes.

Granted, more will trickle out for the rest of the year but likely nothing significant in 2020 for the vast majority of Americans.

Even before Operation Warp Speed was publicly announced, it was fairy obvious a vaccine was a top priority for the reelection campaign. As you're alluding to, it doesn't really matter if there's limited availability of a vaccine. If it even gets emergency use approval before election day, that'll be reported everywhere and POTUS will take full credit. Never mind (correct me if I'm wrong) that vaccine development is predominantly done by the private sector and research institutions, and not by federal agencies. There was a global rush to develop a Covid-19 vaccine way before the feds committed billions of dollars of support (which is incredibly important for eventual production/distribution of the winners).

Don't forget the Trump admin has saved 2 million American lives! (tm)

 

[Scarpozzi]

Perhaps he'll make soup out of his victims.

You mean the moviegoers?

 

[Scarpozzi]

Be sure to practice safe sex!

That's hilarious.... especially the last part.

 

[zinfamous]

They're reducing phase 3 numbers and actual testing--well, they would have to--to make that Nov 1 date.

It's an egregious breach of ethics, law, and well, propriety to even attempt such a thing.

It's not going to happen.

Let me elaborate:

If Louis Pasteur were our president, issuing this command, I'd be all like "fuck yeah!" gungho let's do this shit!

But instead, we have a rotten durian as our head of state, issuing these commands. So, no.

 

[Scarpozzi]

They're reducing phase 3 numbers and actual testing--well, they would have to--to make that Nov 1 date.

It's an egregious breach of ethics, law, and well, propriety to even attempt such a thing.

It's not going to happen.

Let me elaborate:

If Louis Pasteur were our president, issuing this command, I'd be all like "fuck yeah!" gungho let's do this shit!

But instead, we have a rotten durian as our head of state, issuing these commands. So, no.

I'm not going to politicize the obvious.... doesn't need it. I think, given the timeline established in March, we always new November was a key goal for trials to conclude.

I would just hope that the vaccines work 60+% of the time and have some longevity so we can get back to pre-covid fun.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm not going to politicize the obvious.... doesn't need it. I think, given the timeline established in March, we always new November was a key goal for trials to conclude.

I would just hope that the vaccines work 60+% of the time and have some longevity so we can get back to pre-covid fun.

We already expect a pathetic ~30% uptake. For a 100% vaccine, that's bad.

None of this is what we need, really.

 

[Ichinisan]

They're reducing phase 3 numbers and actual testing--well, they would have to--to make that Nov 1 date.

It's an egregious breach of ethics, law, and well, propriety to even attempt such a thing.

It's not going to happen.

Let me elaborate:

If Louis Pasteur were our president, issuing this command, I'd be all like "fuck yeah!" gungho let's do this shit!

But instead, we have a rotten durian as our head of state, issuing these commands. So, no.

I don't really care that there is an election. They can use this to promote their side, but I will not vote for Trump regardless. If there could ever be an urgent reason to accelerate vaccine development and trials, the pandemic we currently have is it.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Asymptomatic, superspreadors, reinfecteds and now growing anecdotal evidence suggesting long-term permanent heart damage. Are the dead better off? The dead only know one thing ... its better to be alive.

 

[Scarpozzi]

We already expect a pathetic ~30% uptake. For a 100% vaccine, that's bad.

None of this is what we need, really.

I don't know....I figure that if it gives you 4 months of immunity, paired with those who just recovered, helps....anything helps.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Slightly off topic indulgence:

I went to the store at the end of “Senior Hour”
OMG I encountered every old person stereo type within 10 minutes.
Started with Edna & Ethel blocking the entrance while chatting away
Ended with someone shouting out at self checkout “Can I use more than 12 coupons?”

 

[Fanatical Meat]

They're reducing phase 3 numbers and actual testing--well, they would have to--to make that Nov 1 date.

It's an egregious breach of ethics, law, and well, propriety to even attempt such a thing.

It's not going to happen.

Let me elaborate:

If Louis Pasteur were our president, issuing this command, I'd be all like "fuck yeah!" gungho let's do this shit!

But instead, we have a rotten durian as our head of state, issuing these commands. So, no.

So this is my only thought regarding this and I’m trying to keep it non political.
I am very pro-vaccine for nearly everything.
I am planning on getting a Covid vaccination as soon as possible.
I am not sure if I would rush out to take a minimally tested vaccine.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Slightly off topic indulgence:

I went to the store at the end of “Senior Hour”
OMG I encountered every old person stereo type within 10 minutes.
Started with Edna & Ethel blocking the entrance while chatting away
Ended with someone shouting out at self checkout “Can I use more than 12 coupons?”

How's old Herbert the Pervert doing? Did you run into him in the Popsicles section?

 

[Scarpozzi]

So this is my only thought regarding this and I’m trying to keep it non political.
I am very pro-vaccine for nearly everything.
I am planning on getting a Covid vaccination as soon as possible.
I am not sure if I would rush out to take a minimally tested vaccine.

Many of the rushed vaccines are using proven delivery methods....so at least you have little to worry about there.

The questions are, does the vaccine use live virus? (most do) Does the virus cause an immuno-response or does the patient actually get infected by the live virus that's supposed to be weakened? (oops)

Finally, Does the process actually provide immunity? That's the toughest one to prove unless you immunize someone, then 2-3 weeks later expose them. It's more difficult to predict exposure in the wild because enough people have already been infected and the daily infection rate is dropping really fast in some areas.

Either way, I'm going to take the vaccine that's available to me first. If I have access to another vaccine that's proven to be better and safe...I may take it 4-5 months later. I doubt though, my wife's office will have access to multiple flavors unless there's a change up in the supplier they happen to purchase from.

 

[K1052]

Moderna says they're slowing their trial enrollment a bit to get more minorities, which is the right call IMO.

 

[K1052]

The questions are, does the vaccine use live virus? (most do)

Only the Chinese are working with attenuated virus AFAIK and only for one vaccine.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Moderna says they're slowing their trial enrollment a bit to get more minorities, which is the right call IMO.

It wouldn't be a fair trial without minorities.

 

[K1052]

It wouldn't be a fair trial without minorities.

They have them they are just under-represented compared to population so far. They seem to think it means a week's delay which is not a big deal. Minority recruitment is difficult to do under the best circumstances.

 

[Scarpozzi]

They have them they are just under-represented compared to population so far. They seem to think it means a week's delay which is not a big deal. Minority recruitment is difficult to do under the best circumstances.

Believe me, I know. The challenge though is that race/ethnicity are often generalized too much as it is, so even identifying the right populations using census data can be wrong. And yes...participation is an issue.

 

[Geekbabe]

As a lung cancer patient I will rely on my Oncologist for advice on vaccine. Not sure what my care team will say about this one.
It’s been a hard week at the hospital, people going off on me, screaming about having to wear masks and use Purell on their hands. Not to mention people refusing temp checks because the 5G will destroy their brains.

Call me tired, very, very tired ...

 

[zinfamous]

Many of the rushed vaccines are using proven delivery methods....so at least you have little to worry about there.

The questions are, does the vaccine use live virus? (most do) Does the virus cause an immuno-response or does the patient actually get infected by the live virus that's supposed to be weakened? (oops)

Finally, Does the process actually provide immunity? That's the toughest one to prove unless you immunize someone, then 2-3 weeks later expose them. It's more difficult to predict exposure in the wild because enough people have already been infected and the daily infection rate is dropping really fast in some areas.

Either way, I'm going to take the vaccine that's available to me first. If I have access to another vaccine that's proven to be better and safe...I may take it 4-5 months later. I doubt though, my wife's office will have access to multiple flavors unless there's a change up in the supplier they happen to purchase from.

I think the "A" and "B" vaccines in the US that are scheduled for this early release are both mRNA-based.

 

[Red Squirrel]

New case in my city. Yet again someone who traveled. I don't get why they have not shut that down completely. We'll never get out of this if they keep letting people travel. We're doing half decent but it could be better.

New COVID-19 case identified : My Timmins Now

One more confirmed coronavirus case to report in Porcupine Health Unit territory. Number 74 is a man in his twenties who lives in Timmins, where he’s in self-isolation. He picked up the virus during international travel. BY THE NUMBERS 17,155 tests 74 positive 64 recovered 9 deaths -Source...

www.mytimminsnow.com

 

[Scarpozzi]

Asymptomatic, superspreadors, reinfecteds and now growing anecdotal evidence suggesting long-term permanent heart damage.

Are you talking about COVID or falling in love with a hooker?

 

[thestrangebrew1]

If this virus is particularly similar to the regular flu, how different would the vaccine be compared to the flu? I pretty much thought I'd get it as soon as it became available, but now I'm second guessing myself considering the goal of Nov.1 and the potential vaccines being "too" rushed.

 

[Ajay]

We already expect a pathetic ~30% uptake. For a 100% vaccine, that's bad.

None of this is what we need, really.

And we won't have a 100% (though, no vaccine I know of is that effective). So if we get 50%, the minimum that the FDA is requiring, then we won't reach the drug assisted herd immunity level we need (60% or more).
People are going to wait to take any vaccine because they are being purposely rushed and we won't have any indication of the long term effects that are seen in a 5 year study.