NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[killster1]

Read my post again. This is what I said.... "equivalent to surgical mask" and "real 3M N95 would be the gold standard". In short that double cloth mask with picket for filter would be as effective as the surgical mask imo, NOT as the 3M N95. I don't want you to think that I mean that "filter" in the pocket is equal as the valve filter in the 3M N95 mask or other professional filters.

No dispute from me about the tight seal on your post, very critical to have a good fit mask and proper usage (social distance, cleanliness, take on and off the mask, etc.).

Oh you didnt mention you couldnt see through the mask! (laughing when i saw you wrote that) when i said spend some money on a mask i ment n95.. surgical masks just keep your n95 clean. (my link was all n95 equivalent.

 

[Svnla]

Oh you didnt mention you couldnt see through the mask! (laughing when i saw you wrote that) when i said spend some money on a mask i ment n95.. surgical masks just keep your n95 clean. (my link was all n95 equivalent.

I mean the cloth type that thick you could not see any light ...ie...you hold the cloth in front of your eyes and no light or very little could come through. This is what I mean.

Experts said you should hold the material you plan on using up to the light. If you can see through it, find something else.
Layers of quilting fabric that is tightly woven also worked, with some masks actually having a better filtration rate than surgical ones.

Not saying that you use the mask to cover your eyes so you could not see. LOL.

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[killster1]

I mean the cloth type that thick you could not see any light ...ie...you hold the cloth in front of your eyes and no light or very little could come through. This is what I mean.



Not saying that you use the mask to cover your eyes so you could not see. LOL.

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i think your joking again. i didnt mean you cover your eyes, again i understood you ment so thick that you cant see through it, but tell me what expert is saying to use a cloth mask instead of a n95? one that doesnt care about you surely. also there is no more shortage for n95 i just linked masks to buy, i guess your time is not worth much and will make coffee filter masks!

 

[CZroe]

i think your joking again. i didnt mean you cover your eyes, again i understood you ment so thick that you cant see through it, but tell me what expert is saying to use a cloth mask instead of a n95? one that doesnt care about you surely. also there is no more shortage for n95 i just linked masks to buy, i guess your time is not worth much and will make coffee filter masks!

Did you completely miss the now-old news where they reversed-course on discouraging the public from wearing masks and encouraged everyone to improvise with cloth masks? The surgeon general even demonstrated how to make one out of an old T-Shirt and rubber bands.

Even if they aren't nearly as good as N95 they still reduce the viral load if you do encounter someone with the disease and they do lower your chances of spreading it.

Nearly 5 minutes in he begins talking about a mask study with hamsters that certainly didn't get N95 masks.

 

[SKORPI0]

 

[killster1]

Did you completely miss the now-old news where they reversed-course on discouraging the public from wearing masks and encouraged everyone to improvise with cloth masks? The surgeon general even demonstrated how to make one out of an old T-Shirt and rubber bands.

Even if they aren't nearly as good as N95 they still reduce the viral load if you do encounter someone with the disease and they doower your chances of spreading it.

Nearly 5 minutes in he begins talking about a mask study with hamsters that certainly didn't get N95 masks.

What ever your point is we can agree n95 is better right ? We can agree spending a few dollars is not a big deal for any of us right ? We can agree n95 are back in stock and not short in supply right ? I'm not sure what your point is since I'm recommending spend a few bux and get a real mask not ones. Sorry it can't be cute with your favorite pattern but it might be worth it. But I guess we will find out how good cloth masks are and if all the protestors get infected because that's all they have it seems from the photos

 

[Svnla]

i think your joking again. i didnt mean you cover your eyes, again i understood you ment so thick that you cant see through it, but tell me what expert is saying to use a cloth mask instead of a n95? one that doesnt care about you surely. also there is no more shortage for n95 i just linked masks to buy, i guess your time is not worth much and will make coffee filter masks!

Say what? Did you even bother read what I wrote? Here it is again. This is what I said.

real 3M N95 would be the gold standard

And where did I ever say "expert is saying to use a cloth mask instead of a n95" as you claimed? Again, this is what I wrote in reply to another poster-

.... double cloth mask with picket for filter would be as effective as the surgical mask imo, NOT as the 3M N95. I don't want you to think that I mean that "filter" in the pocket is equal as the valve filter in the 3M N95 mask or other professional filters.

You even QUOTED all of that in your post (8801).

Oh, nice try to put down...this is what you said...

.............your time is not worth much

Look like you do know A LOT about me, eh? Tell us more oh great one...LOL. Good grief.

Edit - You do know A LOT of the "N95" masks for sale online are faked, right? That's why I said real 3M N95, not just any mask from anyone with a N95 stamp.

 

[CZroe]

What ever your point is we can agree n95 is better right ? We can agree spending a few dollars is not a big deal for any of us right ? We can agree n95 are back in stock and not short in supply right ? I'm not sure what your point is since I'm recommending spend a few bux and get a real mask not ones. Sorry it can't be cute with your favorite pattern but it might be worth it. But I guess we will find out how good cloth masks are and if all the protestors get infected because that's all they have it seems from the photos

My point? You asked "what expert is saying to use a cloth mask instead of a n95?" and I told you that it goes all the way to the top: All the experts are saying this because they want to conserve genuine N95 masks for frontline workers. Yes, N95 is better but it still isnt available.

The Korean and Chinese masks you mention are certainly not N95 equivalents. The masks I got from online sources and flea markets being sold as KN95 were all WORSE than surgical masks (literally worse). Fabric masks absolutely do have a drastic impact when everyone wears them and the knock-offs absolutely can be worse (and often are worse). Heck, some N95 masks are worse (the one-way vented kind), since they are more effective on an infected person and the bypass valve effectively undermines this.

In sumation:
Wear a mask. Home-made fabric masks according to the guidelines are as as good as any pleated surgical mask. N95 is better but still largely unavailable. You never know what you are getting with Korean and Chinese-spec masks like KN95 and they can sometimes be worse than home-made fabric masks.

 

[H T C]

Did you completely miss the now-old news where they reversed-course on discouraging the public from wearing masks and encouraged everyone to improvise with cloth masks? The surgeon general even demonstrated how to make one out of an old T-Shirt and rubber bands.

Even if they aren't nearly as good as N95 they still reduce the viral load if you do encounter someone with the disease and they do lower your chances of spreading it.

Nearly 5 minutes in he begins talking about a mask study with hamsters that certainly didn't get N95 masks.

There's another point most miss regarding any face mask for coronavirus: by using one, you won't be touching your mouth or nose because both are covered by the mask, thus it's much less likely you'll infect yourself via touching contaminated surfaces.

It's perfectly normal for anyone to touch their own mouth / nose involuntarily and the mask serves as a reminder NOT to touch those areas.

Another aspect most people miss:

- face masks aren't 100% effective, even those N95 ones
- social distancing isn't 100% effective but helps a great deal
- hand washing isn't 100% effective because you can touch a contaminated spot AFTER washing you hands and infect yourself that way

HOWEVER, combine all three and you'll have something that's over 99% effective in protecting yourself:

- social distancing helps to cover the % face masks don't cover
- face masks help by making sure you don't touch your mouth / nose with your hands, in case you may have touched some place that was contaminated
- by washing hands you make sure you don't have virus literally on your hands and even if you touch a contaminated surface, you won't infect yourself so long as you're using a mask

 

[CZroe]

There's another point most miss regarding any face mask for coronavirus: by using one, you won't be touching your mouth or nose because both are covered by the mask, thus it's much less likely you'll infect yourself via touching contaminated surfaces.

It's perfectly normal for anyone to touch their own mouth / nose involuntarily and the mask serves as a reminder NOT to touch those areas.

Another aspect most people miss:

- face masks aren't 100% effective, even those N95 ones
- social distancing isn't 100% effective but helps a great deal
- hand washing isn't 100% effective because you can touch a contaminated spot AFTER washing you hands and infect yourself that way

HOWEVER, combine all three and you'll have something that's over 99% effective in protecting yourself:

- social distancing helps to cover the % face masks don't cover
- face masks help by making sure you don't touch your mouth / nose with your hands, in case you may have touched some place that was contaminated
- by washing hands you make sure you don't have virus literally on your hands and even if you touch a contaminated surface, you won't infect yourself so long as you're using a mask

Yep.

...and even if all of that fails and you get infected or transmit the infection anyway, the resulting infection(s) will have lower viral load with significantly better prospects for the people getting sick (body has time to mount a proper immune response before being overrun and needing to over-react).

Since the Surgeon General didn't explicitly mention that the cloth masks were being recommended over N95 and Killster1 did explicitly ask, here is the CDC mask guidance that does mention both and recommend cloth over N95:

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a virus (more specifically, a coronavirus) identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China.

www.cdc.gov

Granted, if you have N95 masks, use them. Reuse them. Resuse them again. The ones I bought back in January (and mentioned in this thread) are falling apart now but they also have the bypass valve that we now know is undesireable. I have mostly moved on to other masks including some valve-less N95 masks my mother bought after I told her to what was happening to them (she didn't limit herself like I did back when I thought China needed them more).

I still keep my original 2-pack around as a backup but the elastic is really on its last threads (literally).

 

[herm0016]

Read my post again. This is what I said.... "equivalent to surgical mask" and "real 3M N95 would be the gold standard". In short that double cloth mask with picket for filter would be as effective as the surgical mask imo, NOT as the 3M N95. I don't want you to think that I mean that "filter" in the pocket is equal as the valve filter in the 3M N95 mask or other professional filters.

No dispute from me about the tight seal on your post, very critical to have a good fit mask and proper usage (social distance, cleanliness, take on and off the mask, etc.).

i read it. don't bother with the filter pouch. there is very very very little air moving through it anyway. the cloth mask does it's job, and the square of filter whatever in the pocket is totally useless.

 

[H T C]

There's another point most miss regarding any face mask for coronavirus: by using one, you won't be touching your mouth or nose because both are covered by the mask, thus it's much less likely you'll infect yourself via touching contaminated surfaces.

It's perfectly normal for anyone to touch their own mouth / nose involuntarily and the mask serves as a reminder NOT to touch those areas.

Another aspect most people miss:

- face masks aren't 100% effective, even those N95 ones
- social distancing isn't 100% effective but helps a great deal
- hand washing isn't 100% effective because you can touch a contaminated spot AFTER washing you hands and infect yourself that way

HOWEVER, combine all three and you'll have something that's over 99% effective in protecting yourself:

- social distancing helps to cover the % face masks don't cover
- face masks help by making sure you don't touch your mouth / nose with your hands, in case you may have touched some place that was contaminated
- by washing hands you make sure you don't have virus literally on your hands and even if you touch a contaminated surface, you won't infect yourself so long as you're using a mask

And this works just as well in reverse. Suppose you're infected with no symptoms:

- face masks aren't 100% effective, even those N95 ones, so they can still let virus slip through the mask
- social distancing isn't 100% effective but helps a great deal forcing the virus to be able to travel a longer distance in order to succeed in infecting someone
- hand washing isn't 100% effective because you can infect someone via a surface if you touch your mouth / nose AFTER washing

HOWEVER, combine all three and you'll have something that's over 99% effective in protecting others:

- social distancing helps by making sure virus that manage to slip through the mask can't travel long enough to be able to infect others
- face masks help by not letting the virus in to your hands, as you can't touch your mouth / nose directly because of the mask
- by washing hands you make sure you don't have your infection literally on your hands so that you don't contaminate surfaces

 

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[s0me0nesmind1]

COVID has a mortality of 5.8%


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Math is fucking hard yo'.


People just grab numbers from nowhere - including from the media and then just indoctrinate themselves into stupidity.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

COVID has a mortality of 5.8%


facepalm.jpg.

Math is fucking hard yo'.

For once we agree.

COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)

coronavirus.jhu.edu

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

For once we agree.

COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)

coronavirus.jhu.edu

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Seriously?

Do you know what mortality rate is? The level of stupid to say something so asinine as a 5%, even a 1% mortality rate is simply 3rd grade level shit.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Seriously?

Do you know what mortality rate is? The level of stupid to say something so asinine as a 5%, even a 1% mortality rate is simply 3rd grade level shit.

Sorry, what? 5.8% of the people that tested positive are dead, that's a current case mortality rate of 5.8%. Unless you want to wiffle waffle about which mortality rate you think he meant vs which you meant in order to argue yourself to a higher ground because you're a gigantic fucking attention whore.

But I'm sure it's not that.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Sorry, what? 5.8% of the people that tested positive are dead, that's a current case mortality rate of 5.8%. Unless you want to wiffle waffle about which mortality rate you think he meant vs which you meant in order to argue yourself to a higher ground because you're a gigantic fucking attention whore.

But I'm sure it's not that.

Who is the attention whore to say something as dumb as a mortality rate of 5.8%?

But I get it... I get it... using a dictionary is fuckin' hard yo.

Mortality Rate - the relative frequency of deaths in a specific population during a specified time, often cited as the percentage of human deaths during a public health crisis, or of wildlife deaths due to environmental perils:

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Who is the attention whore to say something as dumb as a mortality rate of 5.8%?

But I get it... I get it... using a dictionary is fuckin' hard yo.

Wanna take a stab at what 'specific population' is the denominator when it comes to COVID deaths?

Hint: not every American was at the d-day invasion

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Wanna take a stab at what 'specific population' is the denominator when it comes to COVID deaths?

Hint: not every American was at the d-day invasion

Yes - if you watch the video it gives a damn good estimate based on what we know - and with actual examples and citations from scientific articles.

For example - The cruise ship breakouts were a good factor to utilize, because they were essentially an ENTIRE controlled population of people that were ALL tested when deboarded... regardless of showing symptoms or not.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Yes - if you watch the video it gives a damn good estimate based on what we know - and with actual examples and citations from scientific articles.

For example - The cruise ship breakouts were a good factor to utilize, because they were essentially an ENTIRE controlled population of people that were ALL tested when deboarded... regardless of showing symptoms or not.

Sorry, was he talking about the case load of the cruise ship? Or the US?

Using the data we know, the current death/case count is 105664/1820523. If what I assume you're talking about is the total case count including untested positives (I'm not watching your dumb talking head video), then you have 105664/1820523+x, which isn't useful. Ergo, the most relevant case mortality rate is 5.8%.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Sorry, was he talking about the case load of the cruise ship? Or the US?

Using the data we know, the current death/case count is 105664/1820523. If what I assume you're talking about is the total case count including untested positives (I'm not watching your dumb talking head video), then you have 105664/1820523+x, which isn't useful. Ergo, the most relevant case mortality rate is 5.8%.

And that's why you're stupid and mentally incompetent.

Because solving with variables IS TOO COMPLEX YO!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

And that's why you're stupid and mentally incompetent.

And you're still an attention whore.

Good talk.

 

[RPD]

So with all the protests/rioting, shouldn't we see a spike in positive tests?

 

[Maxima1]

Sorry, was he talking about the case load of the cruise ship? Or the US?

Using the data we know, the current death/case count is 105664/1820523. If what I assume you're talking about is the total case count including untested positives (I'm not watching your dumb talking head video), then you have 105664/1820523+x, which isn't useful. Ergo, the most relevant case mortality rate is 5.8%.

Obviously that "+ x" is huge. Many that have had mild symptoms or no symptoms at all weren't tested. So it's obvious that it's a good bet that virus mortality rate for general population is around 0.5-1%, not 5.8%.