NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[CZroe]

Why is it a terrible idea to have one way aisles to aid social distancing measures?

Every. Single. Time. I have tried to comply only to have the lanes blocked by people shopping that aisle. It defeats the purpose of "social distancing" when you force me to squeeze past someone all while there is another lane two steps over that was arbitrarily restricted to the wrong way. I've also traveled down a long one split by two breezeways only to find that the direction changes after the second breezeway with no floor marking until you are all the way at the wrong end. If you change aisles using the breezeway then everyone is forced by each other anyway, defeating the purpose yet again.

 

[brianmanahan]

Because it's the first step to taking away your freedoms and turning you into sheep.

those commies at IKEA have been doing it for decades!

 

[K1052]

Bars reopened here last night supposedly with capacity limits and social distancing. Though there is no limit on exterior areas

I've seen the pics on twitter....and will appropriately be in my house until about Spring 2021.

 

[K1052]

those commies at IKEA have been doing it for decades!

I've never seen a big meltdown in one of these stores. I think the never ending merchandise maze is meant to deplete the mental energy of anybody who enters it and prevents anyone from going full Karen.

 

[snoopy7548]

Every. Single. Time. I have tried to comply only to have the lanes blocked by people shopping that aisle. It defeats the purpose of "social distancing" when you force me to squeeze past someone all while there is another lane two steps over that was arbitrarily restricted to the wrong way. I've also traveled down a long one split by two breezeways only to find that the direction changes after the second breezeway with no floor marking until you are all the way at the wrong end. If you change aisles using the breezeway then everyone is forced by each other anyway, defeating the purpose yet again.

At the grocery store I go to, the aisles are just wide enough for two carts, so I've been trying to just walk behind people rather than pass them, especially if they are old(er). It can be frustrating when you're behind some person who has no idea what they want to buy, then some other person comes barreling past both of you.

 

[Greenman]

those commies at IKEA have been doing it for decades!

And it's the primary reason I won't set foot in an IKEA. I went there once, I knew exactly what I wanted, and still had to do a forced march through a million square feet of particle board crap to get to it.

 

[CZroe]

At the grocery store I go to, the aisles are just wide enough for two carts, so I've been trying to just walk behind people rather than pass them, especially if they are old(er). It can be frustrating when you're behind some person who has no idea what they want to buy, then some other person comes barreling past both of you.

The ones I was thinking of when I described my issue were rows of huge/long clothing racks at thrift store. Like, I just want to get to the back wall of the store and yet there is no path to it. Every lane going that direction has someone shopping in it and it isn't wide enough for me to squeeze past without totally defeating the purpose.

 

[Svnla]

Come to upstate NY, it's like TX but with better weather and less idiots.

Better tell them NYers about that because more of them leaving and moving to TX/other states than vice versa. Austin is packed as a sardine can.

Lawmakers want to know why people are leaving New York State

The latest census numbers show New York's population dropped by 77,000 between 2018 and last year.

www.wgrz.com

 

[Sgt. York]

At the grocery store I go to, the aisles are just wide enough for two carts, so I've been trying to just walk behind people rather than pass them, especially if they are old(er). It can be frustrating when you're behind some person who has no idea what they want to buy, then some other person comes barreling past both of you.

So, following arbitrary rules is frustrating. Who woulda thunk it?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

At the grocery store I go to, the aisles are just wide enough for two carts, so I've been trying to just walk behind people rather than pass them, especially if they are old(er). It can be frustrating when you're behind some person who has no idea what they want to buy, then some other person comes barreling past both of you.

Curious why most of you guys aren't doing grocery pickup.

Ever since this started I've stuck with the drive-up drop off... Order the shit I want online, go at the timeslot I pick, send a text message and they bring the stuff out and load it into the trunk of the car.

 

[manly]

Don't listen to this guy. Texas is fucked. We just don't have the high rise apartments and public transportation to have the NY type virus explosion. It's a slow burn type deal. All these dipshits will eventually get it and the virus will do what it's going to do. My wife and I went to a store yesterday and we were literally the only people there with masks on. We got bored and went out after having been stuck at home for 3 days. Not making that mistake again. Staying as far away from these idiots as we possibly can from here on out. Sometimes wish I lived somewhere where science is a real thing. Get tired of all the climate change deniers and now even refrigerated trucks with dead bodies outside of hospitals isn't enough to convince these people about a fucking plague ravaging the world.

This kind of scene is replaying in Southern California and all across America. Local news was filming at the beach yesterday (it's gonna be hot tomorrow), and it looked like a majority of people in wide shots were not wearing masks. I guess it's possible they were cherry-picking who to film, but still. This was in L.A. County, which doesn't have the anti- evil gubment streak of neighboring Orange County (which just reopened for restaurant dine-in). Although county beach rules are no sunbathing, and you must be active, there were plenty of people just hanging out and the ample police presence had little intention of enforcing the rules.

 

[Brainonska511]

Curious why most of you guys aren't doing grocery pickup.

Ever since this started I've stuck with the drive-up drop off... Order the shit I want online, go at the timeslot I pick, send a text message and they bring the stuff out and load it into the trunk of the car.

I make at most one trip per week: my local store is generally not very crowded, so it's not so bad. Plus, grocery delivery has been kind of hard to get around here - a lot of the time slots have filled up.

 

[ponyo]

Curious why most of you guys aren't doing grocery pickup.

Ever since this started I've stuck with the drive-up drop off... Order the shit I want online, go at the timeslot I pick, send a text message and they bring the stuff out and load it into the trunk of the car.

Same reason why I will never use grocery delivery service. I like picking out my own food. No one is going to do better job than me.

 

[destrekor]

We're just starting to get hard clinical data that vaccines are causing an immune response in humans so I don't think the question is "if" but rather "which ones are best" and "how soon".

While true, it's incredibly early in the process. We should be able to always get at least some kind of immune response out of a test vaccine. The question is whether the response is broadly effective or narrowly, conditional in any way, and most importantly the primary data endpoints needed would be: does it provide actual lasting immunity and is it as safe as reasonably possible?

The unfortunate truth in vaccination is that any immune response may also trigger an over-reaction that causes perhaps lifelong harm. The rate of that kind of reaction needs to very low to be worth the risk. Like yes it is admittedly possible to get GBS (Guillain-Barré syndrome) from a vaccine, but it is equally possible to get that from just about any random acute infection anyway, and most of the time you are likely rarely all that aware of many infections -- not all cause significant symptom flare-ups, or it found an atypical infection angle where symptoms may be more vague and different than those typical for whichever contagion is at fault. Though I do believe the details show GBS is more likely to occur after a significant infection than from run of the mill small infections -- I can't recall for sure.

Those cases of GBS that do seem to occur from vaccines (this is merely correlated, difficult to prove a simultaneous infection wasn't responsible), they represent such an absurdly small fraction of those who actually receive vaccines without harm that I'm convinced some routine vaccines should be compulsory with nary a valid excuse (religion, diet, and personal beliefs don't count Karens!). Bad luck is just that, bad luck. In the end, the influenza vaccine for instance prevents more cases of GBS than it cures, as influenza is one such infection known to occasionally induce the syndrome.

 

[snoopy7548]

Same reason why I will never use grocery delivery service. I like picking out my own food. No one is going to do better job than me.

Same here. The majority of what I buy is fresh produce/meats, plus my local grocery store is never very crowded.

 

[Svnla]

Why would anyone wants to have not one, not two, but three live bat corona-viruses in a lab?

Wuhan lab had three live bat coronaviruses: Chinese state media

The Chinese virology institute at the centre of US allegations it may have been the source of the COVID-19 pandemic has three live strains of bat coronavirus on-site, but none match the new global contagion, its director has said. Scientists think COVID-19 -- which first emerged in the central...

news.yahoo.com

 

[FelixDeCat]

Why would anyone wants to keep not one, not two, but three live bat corona-viruses in a lab?

Wuhan lab had three live bat coronaviruses: Chinese state media

The Chinese virology institute at the centre of US allegations it may have been the source of the COVID-19 pandemic has three live strains of bat coronavirus on-site, but none match the new global contagion, its director has said. Scientists think COVID-19 -- which first emerged in the central...

news.yahoo.com

I can see the need for legitimate scientific research of bat corona viruses. But if a lab worker becomes infected and the infection "accidentally" spreads worldwide, there should be some accountability or perhaps even reparations paid by the country that released it - accidentally or not.

More precautions should have been taken at least. In Hollywood movies lab workers are subject to immediate extermination to prevent an outbreak if something goes wrong. They could have at least quarantined the lab.

 

[destrekor]

Why would anyone wants to have not one, not two, but three live bat corona-viruses in a lab?

Wuhan lab had three live bat coronaviruses: Chinese state media

The Chinese virology institute at the centre of US allegations it may have been the source of the COVID-19 pandemic has three live strains of bat coronavirus on-site, but none match the new global contagion, its director has said. Scientists think COVID-19 -- which first emerged in the central...

news.yahoo.com

Well it's hard to study live mutation risks if you don't have any live virus...

There is controversy around virus research, because it requires actively manipulating viral particles, but it's kind of a necessary evil if you will.

 

[Muse]

Or they were still learning the best practices to provide better results, I don't think they even know about the blood clotting problems back then. As time goes on we will get better at treating the disease.

There are reasons not to listen to me but that wasn't it, Texas isn't fucked and the reason why is because that would validate the expectations of people like you and me. Yeah I am jaded, this whole year has been nothing but people screaming about the worst case scenario coming and then real life somehow squeaking by as something much more benign occurs instead. My expectation was over 2 million deaths in the US at this point, then it was that Texas would explode and most recently is has been that cases would start growing exponentially now that the wingnuts in Austin decided to go ahead and kill a significant portion of the population but none of that has happened. So now I am expecting virtually nothing, no explosion, no rioting in the streets demanding the blood of the gov and no county by county lockdown with armed militias patrolling the borders. Unlike you I never expected the people to take this seriously and take measures to protect themselves and others because people get bored after being home for three days and leave the house. So other than my work travels I will continue to stay home and if I have to got to the store I will wear my mask of shame and get the shitty looks. Because deep down I am still waiting for the carts to start coming around to pick up the dead and maybe then the people that were so flippant with this will finally feel the impact.

Well, look, they had to paint a worst case scenario to get people to take this seriously. I'm in the SF Bay Area and we were among the first to have shelter in place directives to all but essential activities. SF mayor London Breed was the first mayor of a major city to do it and the rest of the region quickly followed suit. Governor Newsom stated around April 1 that his people were saying we were going to run out of ICU beds and ventilators way before the peak. The peak was expected, he said, April 26 or so. This got people's attention! Now, it didn't happen that way only because it really was in our power to flatten the curve. The picture he painted was if we didn't take the situation seriously (he didn't say that, it was kind of the writing on the wall). We did.

Now, I don't expect the situation to get to the point in CA where the ICU's are filled and we run out of ventilators. Late in April, IIRC, the governor sent a lot of our ventilators to hard hit areas outside of the state. Officially, loaned them, I believe. What I'm seeing/hearing about the rest of the country makes me wonder, though. Seems like people in MO, for instance, are just not feeling it. No masks, dense social gatherings. Similar in TX. Breakouts in MO and TX, also FL and other spots wouldn't surprise me. If they do happen they won't be as easily quelled as they would be here, because people there don't respect the science as much.

 

[Muse]

And it's the primary reason I won't set foot in an IKEA. I went there once, I knew exactly what I wanted, and still had to do a forced march through a million square feet of particle board crap to get to it.

Ikea was recommended to me more than once by someone I know. There's one I've passed by quite a few times but have yet to set foot in there.

 

[Muse]

Same reason why I will never use grocery delivery service. I like picking out my own food. No one is going to do better job than me.

I've got a couple people doing my grocery shopping for me. One's just OK, makes mistakes, but I don't complain! She's shopped for me maybe 4-5 times now. The other did a Costco run and I gave her a list. She and her friend were ace-perfect, very impressive.

 

[Greenman]

Ikea was recommended to me more than once by someone I know. There's one I've passed by quite a few times but have yet to set foot in there.

Yeah, Emeryville. Do yourself a favor and never go there.

 

[brianmanahan]

And it's the primary reason I won't set foot in an IKEA. I went there once, I knew exactly what I wanted, and still had to do a forced march through a million square feet of particle board crap to get to it.

think of it as exercise

Curious why most of you guys aren't doing grocery pickup.

Ever since this started I've stuck with the drive-up drop off... Order the shit I want online, go at the timeslot I pick, send a text message and they bring the stuff out and load it into the trunk of the car.

yeah, i like it. drive up, put the order in the trunk, and drive off. never even have to talk to them.

 

[brianmanahan]

Ikea was recommended to me more than once by someone I know. There's one I've passed by quite a few times but have yet to set foot in there.

it's cool, don't listen to greenman, he's just lazy

 

[MrSquished]

I predict the second wave won't hit until late fall and it will make this first wave look small