NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Muse]

Nope. Not in the slightest. Hospitals aren't overrun. Everything is working. Someone else here that lives in TX can correct me if they feel I'm wrong though.

Also ventilators have been proven to be the death of patients more than a help. So.... Yeah.... No. You're wrong. Mkay?

Maybe in the cities, but this was rural TX. It's going to be disastrous where that woman was. And if ventilators were a terrible idea they would even make them.

 

[Red Squirrel]

There are some cases where ventilators help and some where they don't, it's kind of a mixed bag. Aren't some big cities like NYC hospitals SUPER bad right now where people are dying like almost every day? Or is it more under control now?

 

[local]

Maybe in the cities, but this was rural TX. It's going to be disastrous where that woman was. And if ventilators were a terrible idea they would even make them.

I have been taking this thing pretty seriously I even wear a mask in certain situations, trust me that is rare in TX. I don't see TX exploding like people keep thinking it will. At first it was us not testing and not shutting down in March, then it was lax enforcement in April and now it is the reopening that started over two weeks ago. As much as I expected it to spread here, it hasn't, at least not nearly to the disastrous extent everyone keeps expecting. I am sticking with my theory that the mass transit systems are the primary spreaders and guess what TX barely acknowledges exists? Are cases going to increase? Yes, that is a given but the restrictions were never meant to save us all just keep the bodies from piling up in the streets and we are nowhere near that point yet.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Maybe in the cities, but this was rural TX. It's going to be disastrous where that woman was. And if ventilators were a terrible idea they would even make them.

Then in that case it's a rural vs. city issue - it has little to do with COVID-19. It's a "no shit sherlock" that rural areas have insufficient health facilities vs. cities. That goes for TX. That goes for... Oh wait - ANY state in existence. Derp.

As far as ventilators - It's because doctors had zero clue what the fuck they were doing with a pandemic that 99% have never had any experience in? The first thing they thought for everyone was "BREATHING ISSUES! Put them on breathing support!"... except it didn't work out like they thought. How is an immune system supposed to work when your body is saying "Hey, we don't need you - we got this with a machine".

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

 

[local]

Because doctors had zero clue what the fuck they doing with a pandemic that 99% have never had any experience in? I mean are you shitting me? Have you yet to hear

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

Yeah, saw some stats yesterday that said at one point something like 81% of people on vents were dying. I think that is down to 40% now.

 

[duragezic]

There are some cases where ventilators help and some where they don't, it's kind of a mixed bag. Aren't some big cities like NYC hospitals SUPER bad right now where people are dying like almost every day? Or is it more under control now?

I think there was a problem with that. But as Coumo has said, no one died because of a lack of ventilator. I think they are okay on that front but I don't really know.

 

[Muse]

I have been taking this thing pretty seriously I even wear a mask in certain situations, trust me that is rare in TX. I don't see TX exploding like people keep thinking it will. At first it was us not testing and not shutting down in March, then it was lax enforcement in April and now it is the reopening that started over two weeks ago. As much as I expected it to spread here, it hasn't, at least not nearly to the disastrous extent everyone keeps expecting. I am sticking with my theory that the mass transit systems are the primary spreaders and guess what TX barely acknowledges exists? Are cases going to increase? Yes, that is a given but the restrictions were never meant to save us all just keep the bodies from piling up in the streets and we are nowhere near that point yet.

Time will tell, but the mini-documentary I saw about that rural TX woman and what she and her community is bound to face convinced me that there will be disastrous things happening in TX. People in Houston, Dallas, El Paso, Austin may not experience those things or even be aware they are happening.

This is a pinball machine. Things going on one place affect things going on in other places. I mean, if this didn't break out in China it wouldn't have happened here.

Myself, I'm well protected. A couple of people are doing my grocery shopping, they leave it on my porch. If I go out, I wear one of the N95's I bought for the wildfire seasons we've been having. A whole lot of people in my neighborhood are wearing masks, just walking down the sidewalk, driving cars, on their scooters and bikes. Town of 121k, there have been 72 confirmed cases and one confirmed death. College town that's extremely diverse in every imaginable way across the bay from San Francisco, Berkeley, CA.

 

[Muse]

Yeah, saw some stats yesterday that said at one point something like 81% of people on vents were dying. I think that is down to 40% now.

Which tells you there's something else going on, obviously. Maybe it's over 80% when they are so overwhelmed they can't give you the support required.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Nope. Not in the slightest. Hospitals aren't overrun. Everything is working. Someone else here that lives in TX can correct me if they feel I'm wrong though.

Also ventilators have been proven to be the death of patients more than a help. So.... Yeah.... No. You're wrong. Mkay?

I hope you end up being right. From what I have seen at this time is people are acting like the virus is gone. No social distancing, no masks, etc.. If we as Texans get out of this thing without another NY happening then I will be surprised. I think things will get horrendous here before it is over. Most of the people believe it was way overblown and was some kind of agenda by a certain political party. There are zero precautions being taken and what's worse is that even the old people aren't taking it serious. I talking about hunched over with a cane walking into a store with no mask and not even a thought to social distancing. BTW we have the fastest rate of spread in the entire country atm and people are just getting ramped up as far as getting out and enjoying themselves.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Time will tell, but the mini-documentary I saw about that rural TX woman and what she and her community is bound to face convinced me that there will be disastrous things happening in TX. People in Houston, Dallas, El Paso, Austin may not experience those things or even be aware they are happening.

This is a pinball machine. Things going on one place affect things going on in other places. I mean, if this didn't break out in China it wouldn't have happened here.

Myself, I'm well protected. A couple of people are doing my grocery shopping, they leave it on my porch. If I go out, I wear one of the N95's I bought for the wildfire seasons we've been having. A whole lot of people in my neighborhood are wearing masks, just walking down the sidewalk, driving cars, on their scooters and bikes. Town of 121k, there have been 72 confirmed cases and one confirmed death. College town that's extremely diverse in every imaginable way across the bay from San Francisco, Berkeley, CA.

Don't listen to this guy. Texas is fucked. We just don't have the high rise apartments and public transportation to have the NY type virus explosion. It's a slow burn type deal. All these dipshits will eventually get it and the virus will do what it's going to do. My wife and I went to a store yesterday and we were literally the only people there with masks on. We got bored and went out after having been stuck at home for 3 days. Not making that mistake again. Staying as far away from these idiots as we possibly can from here on out. Sometimes wish I lived somewhere where science is a real thing. Get tired of all the climate change deniers and now even refrigerated trucks with dead bodies outside of hospitals isn't enough to convince these people about a fucking plague ravaging the world.

 

[Spacehead]

Hairstylist exposes 91 people to COVID-19. She was asymptomatic, showed no signs. We are going to see more of these cases as more places start to open up. I also doubt if we will have a second closing of states. Our economy just can't take a second round, so I'm sure more sick people, and more fatalities.

A hairstylist worked while symptomatic and exposed 91 people to coronavirus | CNN

A hairstylist with coronavirus worked for eight days this month while symptomatic, exposing as many as 91 customers and coworkers in Missouri, health officials said.

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Wouldn't testing, testing & more testing mitigate this type of thing? If people know they are Covid-19 positive i would like to think the majority would isolate themselves.

I just looked, seems now i could get tested if i wanted. Not sure when that started here... last i looked it was only if you showed symptoms & had a doctors approval.
I'm assuming this means i could get a test if i wanted one. This is new to me on their website:

How much does the Laboratory test for COVID-19 Cost?
[local hospital] charge for a COVID-19 laboratory test is $199.00.

Point is, if we could get to a point where we could get tested, i don't know, once every week or two it would go a long way towards fighting this thing. I guess we need to get the price down on those tests first though.
Are people paying for these drive-up tests i've seen on the news? Or are they free?

I still say they need to create region bubbles where no one can enter or exit except for product transportation.

Not really feasible. How big would these "bubbles" be? How do you block off every road into/ out of these "bubbles"?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Wouldn't testing, testing & more testing mitigate this type of thing? If people know they are Covid-19 positive i would like to think the majority would isolate themselves.

I just looked, seems now i could get tested if i wanted. Not sure when that started here... last i looked it was only if you showed symptoms & had a doctors approval.
I'm assuming this means i could get a test if i wanted one. This is new to me on their website:


Point is, if we could get to a point where we could get tested, i don't know, once every week or two it would go a long way towards fighting this thing. I guess we need to get the price down on those tests first though.
Are people paying for these drive-up tests i've seen on the news? Or are they free?




Not really feasible. How big would these "bubbles" be? How do you block off every road into/ out of these "bubbles"?

People aren't going to miss two weeks of work to protect others. I would. But we are a two income family and actually put aside savings. Good luck getting trash like this to put others before themselves.

 

[Spacehead]

County i live in still only has 21 confirmed cases. We & a few other counties are moving to the "Green Phase" which will allow restaurants, bars, gyms & other businesses to open to limited capacities(50% i think). I really hope we don't see a rise in cases.

Erie County has seen a large rise in cases since about Mothers Day when the weather finally got better. NW PA went into the "Yellow Phase" on May 8 which allowed some easing of restrictions & it looks like it didn't help them at all. Instead of reporting sometimes 7-10 per day it's been in the high teens to mid twenties on several days.

 

[Spacehead]

People aren't going to miss two weeks of work to protect others. I would. But we are a two income family and actually put aside savings. Good luck getting trash like this to put others before themselves.

I was going to say i bet their employers would have something to say about that but i guess with the laws the way they are the health dept. probably can't notify anyone.
There are ways to get money while not working but from the sounds of things it's not nearly fast enough. UC is still backed up here in PA & probably most other states as well. Might not get your your fist payment till after you back to work from quarantine.

 

[JEDI]

 

[Muse]

Point is, if we could get to a point where we could get tested, i don't know, once every week or two it would go a long way towards fighting this thing. I guess we need to get the price down on those tests first though.
Are people paying for these drive-up tests i've seen on the news? Or are they free?

Some places are free testing for sure. Around here. $200 sounds like a hell of a lot, gotta think that's not common. I think every place and situation is different and it keeps changing. I think my chances of having it right now are very very low. I'd like antibody test that's reliable. Let me know if I'm immune, it's possible, again not likely. But definitely possible. I think I heard 30-40% of people who get it never have symptoms. If they have immunity that sticks, it would be so helpful to know who they are.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Don't listen to this guy. Texas is fucked. We just don't have the high rise apartments and public transportation to have the NY type virus explosion. It's a slow burn type deal. All these dipshits will eventually get it and the virus will do what it's going to do. My wife and I went to a store yesterday and we were literally the only people there with masks on. We got bored and went out after having been stuck at home for 3 days. Not making that mistake again. Staying as far away from these idiots as we possibly can from here on out. Sometimes wish I lived somewhere where science is a real thing. Get tired of all the climate change deniers and now even refrigerated trucks with dead bodies outside of hospitals isn't enough to convince these people about a fucking plague ravaging the world.

Come to upstate NY, it's like TX but with better weather and less idiots.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Not really feasible. How big would these "bubbles" be? How do you block off every road into/ out of these "bubbles"?

Some could be big. For example if you take Ontario, all of the GTA could be one bubble, that is probably the area with the most cases. Make sure nobody leaves. Then North Eastern Ontario, like say, Sudbury to maybe Hearst, make that a bubble, than Thunder Bay/Dryden area just as very rough examples. Of course the bubbles would start smaller but once multiple that are nearby have no cases for 14 days you can start combining them.

There is only a couple highways going into any given town or region so it would not be that crazy to just put blockades. Only allow truckers, utility workers (ex: to go work on a cell tower or power plant etc) and other essentials. Technically where I live the virus is practically gone. But it only takes one person from down south to decide to come here and then bring it in again. So why not restrict that so that we can get back to normal again. Waiting for the entire country or even province to be covid free is going to take a very very long time.

I think there was a problem with that. But as Coumo has said, no one died because of a lack of ventilator. I think they are okay on that front but I don't really know.

I wonder if one of the things too is that those who needed one were probably beyond screwed anyway. Ex: damage was already done. Those who did not need a ventilator or where they thought they needed one ended up being ok after all. What will be interesting to see is the long term (ex: years) effects that survivors may have. Here's hoping it won't be too bad.

 

[JEDI]

 

[Spacehead]

There is only a couple highways going into any given town or region so it would not be that crazy to just put blockades.

Here in the States there are more than just highways. Secondary roads of all types.
Near a body of water? Block access to marinas & launches. Private airports? Have to block those too.
No one was eager to do this at the beginning of the outbreak. Not gunna happen now. I do understand where you're coming from. I wish that travel would of/could of been more restricted in Jan/Feb.

I wonder if one of the things too is that those who needed one were probably beyond screwed anyway. Ex: damage was already done. Those who did not need a ventilator or where they thought they needed one ended up being ok after all. What will be interesting to see is the long term (ex: years) effects that survivors may have. Here's hoping it won't be too bad.

I think i remember hearing early on that once someone needed a ventilator it was pretty much past hope anyway., for the most part. Whatever reason the docs learned a few things along the way to help those that needed them later & had a better success rate.

 

[Sgt. York]

Supermarkets around here had arrows in the aisles for about two weeks awhile back. Everyone ignored them, as they should. I never saw a single employee try to make someone turn around because they were going the "wrong" way.

Just another terrible idea.

 

[local]

Which tells you there's something else going on, obviously. Maybe it's over 80% when they are so overwhelmed they can't give you the support required.

Or they were still learning the best practices to provide better results, I don't think they even know about the blood clotting problems back then. As time goes on we will get better at treating the disease.

Don't listen to this guy. Texas is fucked. We just don't have the high rise apartments and public transportation to have the NY type virus explosion. It's a slow burn type deal. All these dipshits will eventually get it and the virus will do what it's going to do. My wife and I went to a store yesterday and we were literally the only people there with masks on. We got bored and went out after having been stuck at home for 3 days. Not making that mistake again. Staying as far away from these idiots as we possibly can from here on out. Sometimes wish I lived somewhere where science is a real thing. Get tired of all the climate change deniers and now even refrigerated trucks with dead bodies outside of hospitals isn't enough to convince these people about a fucking plague ravaging the world.

There are reasons not to listen to me but that wasn't it, Texas isn't fucked and the reason why is because that would validate the expectations of people like you and me. Yeah I am jaded, this whole year has been nothing but people screaming about the worst case scenario coming and then real life somehow squeaking by as something much more benign occurs instead. My expectation was over 2 million deaths in the US at this point, then it was that Texas would explode and most recently is has been that cases would start growing exponentially now that the wingnuts in Austin decided to go ahead and kill a significant portion of the population but none of that has happened. So now I am expecting virtually nothing, no explosion, no rioting in the streets demanding the blood of the gov and no county by county lockdown with armed militias patrolling the borders. Unlike you I never expected the people to take this seriously and take measures to protect themselves and others because people get bored after being home for three days and leave the house. So other than my work travels I will continue to stay home and if I have to got to the store I will wear my mask of shame and get the shitty looks. Because deep down I am still waiting for the carts to start coming around to pick up the dead and maybe then the people that were so flippant with this will finally feel the impact.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Supermarkets around here had arrows in the aisles for about two weeks awhile back. Everyone ignored them, as they should. I never saw a single employee try to make someone turn around because they were going the "wrong" way.

Just another terrible idea.

At some places here they remind you of them on the way in. I have not really seen any enforcement but everyone just mostly follows the rules anyway. Home Depot recently reopened to being able to go inside and they have arrows too. I think the idea is to avoid crossing paths with others. But like sometimes someone is browsing so I don't really want to wait so I'll just ask if they're ok with me passing by. If I see someone with a mask I give them more room, they're either at risk, or they might think they have it and are being more cautious. Or they're just more worried than others of getting it. So I just respect that.

Walmart is apparently crazy though, there's this drill sergeant guard that will really tell you where to go in a not so nice way if you are not in line lol. Have not been myself since this whole thing. I try to avoid the more crowded areas just to avoid the potential exposure but mostly because I just don't like big crowds in general or having to wait long. I needed something at HD yesterday and normally try to avoid going there on weekends but it was surprisingly not too bad though.

 

[Brainonska511]

Supermarkets around here had arrows in the aisles for about two weeks awhile back. Everyone ignored them, as they should. I never saw a single employee try to make someone turn around because they were going the "wrong" way.

Just another terrible idea.

Why is it a terrible idea to have one way aisles to aid social distancing measures?

 

[snoopy7548]

Why is it a terrible idea to have one way aisles to aid social distancing measures?

Because it's the first step to taking away your freedoms and turning you into sheep.