NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Brainonska511]

Fun fact, we actually stole CRISPR from bacteria. Bacteria use CRISPR as a defense mechanism against viruses...lol

Shows why basic research can be so important. You never know what may come out from discoveries

 

[Mai72]

One of my buddies posted this on his wall on facebook and i thought it was some good prospective! I hate posting things like this sometimes as it may trigger someone but this guy makes good points especially about numbers. You can't deny that as those numbers are documented and known. Why they aren't known or plastered on the news is beyond me .

He makes some good points. It's damned if you do, and damned if you don't IMO. If we had ignored COVID-19 and the illnesses got severe and the fatality rates went thru the roof people would had been yelling "why didn't you do something." Now, because the numbers are much lower than estimated people are yelling "it's too much. Open America back up!" I also want to state that this isn't over yet. We could see an escalation in newly infected. We just don't know yet. Look at the Spanish flu for example. It wasn't the first round that got us. It was the 2nd/3rd round that did the most damage. Yea, America in 1914 was in a much different place than it is today. Poverty was epidemic in 1914. We didn't have the technology back then, etc.

The reason heart disease doesn't get much press is we've been living with it for so long. COVID-19 is a new infection, so it's garnered much of the attention. Also, heart disease, cancer, type2 diabetes for the most part are mostly due to lifestyle choices. And, individual responsibility. My bad choices in life will affect mostly me, and my immediate friends/family. With an infectious disease I could therotically walk into a building and infect everyone. That person/persons can then infect others, etc. Also, heart disease, cancer, type2 happen over long streteches of time. Over decades of bad habits. COVID-19 fatalities happened over only a 2/3 month time frame. HUGE difference. So, IMO you can't really compare COVID-19 stats to many of the tragedies in that video, because of the stark difference in time.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

And a Mexican town providing payback for the border wall…

'Sanitizing tunnels' await all travelers as they head into Mexico's Sonora state

After crossing through a port of entry, drivers and passengers get out of their cars and walk through inflatable tunnels on the side of the road to help ward of

tucson.com

Payback? It's just Mexicans with dual-citizenship crossing lol.

What, you think White fat americans who love their burgers are venturing out into other countries?

The only ones that step foot in Mexico are via cruise ships with guided tours.

 

[IronWing]

Payback? It's just Mexicans with dual-citizenship crossing lol.

What, you think White fat americans who love their burgers are venturing out into other countries?

The only ones that step foot in Mexico are via cruise ships with guided tours.

Thanks for displaying your vast ignorance once again. It allows us to keep your opinions in perspective.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Thanks for displaying your vast ignorance once again. It allows us to keep your opinions in perspective.

I know, I know, the truth is hard to accept sometimes

 

[K1052]

Payback? It's just Mexicans with dual-citizenship crossing lol.

What, you think White fat americans who love their burgers are venturing out into other countries?

The only ones that step foot in Mexico are via cruise ships with guided tours.

Huh? Mexico gets well over 30M visits from Americans every year. That's like filling the very largest cruise ships in the world over seven THOUSAND times annually.

 

[DrMrLordX]

@Caveman

It's probably derided as a conspiracy.

 

[K1052]

@Caveman

It's probably derided as a conspiracy.

Jet fuel can't melt steel level of brain worms.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Jet fuel can't melt steel level of brain worms.

The problem I had with it is that it tries to tie together too many disparate pieces of evidence to make some kind of meandering point. Like, I can't tell exactly what they're saying.

If you wanted to argue that it's a bad idea for public officials to obtain patents with taxpayer-funded research, I might agree with that.

If you wanted to argue that any vaccine created should be offered at-cost if our government requires people to get vaccinated, I might agree with that.

I also found it interesting to learn how much Medicare (???) is paying out to hospitals that report Covid-19 deaths, though I would like some corroboration of that evidence, and I think hospitals wind up paying out a lot more to take care of people that they put on ventilators.

The rest of it? Ehhh. It's a he-said-she-said kind of thing. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Scully wasn't wrong.

 

[K1052]

Submitted without political commentary:

https://www.axios.com/trump-coronav...ies-86ad5bd0-d1ba-47dc-97f2-b19cc97603f4.html

Trump officials' dysfunction harms delivery of coronavirus drug

A complete breakdown in communication and coordination within the Trump administration has undermined the distribution of a promising treatment, according to senior officials with direct knowledge of the discussions.

Why it matters: The drug, remdesivir, hasn't made it to some of the high-priority hospitals where it's most needed, and administration officials have responded by shifting blame and avoiding responsibility, sources said.

HHS was supposed to work with FEMA to allocate and distribute remdesivir to coronavirus hotspots around the U.S., but as the problems became apparent to the wider team on Wednesday, neither agency took responsibility.

How it happened: The official said the criteria that determined where the drug was distributed was based off of outdated data, though it was nonetheless the best data the federal government had available

 

[K1052]

If you wanted to argue that any vaccine created should be offered at-cost if our government requires people to get vaccinated, I might agree with that.

Vaccines should be covered universally by the government. The cost to benefit ratio is so absurdly huge that the minimal amount of taxation required to pay for it is meaningless.

I also found it interesting to learn how much Medicare (???) is paying out to hospitals that report Covid-19 deaths, though I would like some corroboration of that evidence, and I think hospitals wind up paying out a lot more to take care of people that they put on ventilators.

Hospital revenue has been obliterated and it's leading to mass layoffs in the healthcare industry for the first time ever. Something like $1B per day is being lost. The idea that Covid is in any way a money maker for anybody on the provider end is ludicrous.

The rest of it? Ehhh. It's a he-said-she-said kind of thing. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Scully wasn't wrong.

If somebody wants to tell me that water isn't wet because of some quarter baked conspiracy they better have ironclad evidence to prove it and not a bunch of meandering unsupported bullshit in a video. Watching the antivaxxers embrace this horse shit really tells me everything at this point.

 

[K1052]

Maybe the everybody in the WH not wearing masks as a point of pride isn't actually a good plan. One of Trump's valets tested positive yesterday too.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1258770798564855817

 

[DrMrLordX]

Vaccines should be covered universally by the government.

Usually they are. It's been awhile since I had to get anyone vaccinated, but the last time I did, either state or federal governments would cover everything if you didn't have insurance or weren't privately wealthy. I think the only vaccine that might cost you out-of-pocket these days would be HPV. That's not really the point, though. Watch how much money goes to the patent-holder for the vaccine. If the government covers everything, and that means hundreds of dollars per dose, then that's huge automatic profit for the patent-holder if the vaccine is mandatory. And if a public official happens to be holding that patent? Hmmmmm.

Hospital revenue has been obliterated and it's leading to mass layoffs in the healthcare industry for the first time ever. Something like $1B per day is being lost. The idea that Covid is in any way a money maker for anybody on the provider end is ludicrous.

Elective surgeries are mostly on-hold. Even people with life-threatening conditions won't go to hospitals as much anymore. Nobody wants to be around anyone with Covid-19 if they can avoid it.

 

[K1052]

Usually they are. It's been awhile since I had to get anyone vaccinated, but the last time I did, either state or federal governments would cover everything if you didn't have insurance or weren't privately wealthy. I think the only vaccine that might cost you out-of-pocket these days would be HPV. That's not really the point, though. Watch how much money goes to the patent-holder for the vaccine. If the government covers everything, and that means hundreds of dollars per dose, then that's huge automatic profit for the patent-holder if the vaccine is mandatory. And if a public official happens to be holding that patent? Hmmmmm.

This is just more conspiracy theory without some kind of actual proof that this has or would happen.

Elective surgeries are mostly on-hold. Even people with life-threatening conditions won't go to hospitals as much anymore. Nobody wants to be around anyone with Covid-19 if they can avoid it.

Yes, this is my point. Covid is an unmitigated disaster for hospital revenue. That whatever they're getting from Medicare is somehow a profit windfall that helps them is just beyond all sense. About the only people seeing a profit in the healthcare space are insurers who will have to pay out far less this year because of electives being canceled and people not seeking care.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

JC Penney to file for bankruptcy next week. Plan thus far is to close 1/4 of their 850 or so stores.

In all of our drive to contain this virus, were simply too incapable of doing things that require indirect thought process such as understanding how important the economy is. So much that were going to have more deaths as a result of over-protective and our stupid reactive-based actions.

Were currently at ~75k deaths. Much more will be lost due to suicide, economic collapse of jobs, inability for people to afford anything, and resulting drug addictions. Mark my words.

 

[IronWing]

The lock down ain't why JC Penney is in trouble. When was the last time you were in one of their stores? It's been 10+ years for me. Penny's used to be my go-to store for clothing but then they went down market with low quality merchandise.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Maybe the everybody in the WH not wearing masks as a point of pride isn't actually a good plan. One of Trump's valets tested positive yesterday too.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1258770798564855817

The odds of the White House avoiding a full-blown infection seem to be dwindling quite rapidly.

 

[K1052]

JC Penney to file for bankruptcy next week. Plan thus far is to close 1/4 of their 850 or so stores.

Penny's has been increasingly circling the drain ever since 2010 as other B&M retailers ate their market share.

In all of our drive to contain this virus, were simply too incapable of doing things that require indirect thought process such as understanding how important the economy is. So much that were going to have more deaths as a result of over-protective and our stupid reactive-based actions.

The economic slowdown preceded any government shutdown actions. The public health threat must be met to restore confidence. There is no way around this.

Were currently at ~75k deaths. Much more will be lost due to suicide, economic collapse of jobs, inability for people to afford anything, and resulting drug addictions. Mark my words.

Probably and fingers should be pointed at the people who allowed this to happen (and continue badly fumbling) but that's another thread.

 

[K1052]

The odds of the White House avoiding a full-blown infection seem to be dwindling quite rapidly.

There is quite an outbreak in the area so yea. All those people live in the metro and risk exposure and without protective actions in the workplace it is certainly a major possibility.

 

[mopardude87]

The reason heart disease doesn't get much press is we've been living with it for so long. COVID-19 is a new infection, so it's garnered much of the attention. Also, heart disease, cancer, type2 diabetes for the most part are mostly due to lifestyle choices. And, individual responsibility. My bad choices in life will affect mostly me, and my immediate friends/family. With an infectious disease I could therotically walk into a building and infect everyone.

About the others who have bad habits oh your right, i have been working on controlling my diet quite a bit . I went from beer and soda non stop to nothing but water and green tea. I have lost prob about 35 pounds in over 2 months. Yeah this thing also has triggered my anxiety quite often and its caused a condition known as hypomania. I went a week without sleep, 4 days without food back in late Feb before i discovered the power of indica and its potency. Helps with back pain, sleep,anxiety/hypomania so its a pure thing and in scope of the universe i find it universally accepting. Its the cure all, the most powerful herb known on the planet and i am a herbalist at heart. Most could dump prob half their medication for this herb and be better off.

May sound silly but various events has honestly had me changing my faith as well for the better good of myself. Lets say its been the best decision i ever made in my life. Without this faith and the indica of course my anxiety would prob be the death of me. I was constantly never eating and never sleeping prior to the convert and indica. Some things can't be helped like bad eating for some and i get it, everyone has their own cooping mechanisms and my new found faith and devotion has been mine. If people laugh at the idea, accept it with open arms or criticize me i don't care. Seeing is believing.

For me it took one of the worlds biggest tragedies to find spirituality. Every night i pray to my deities and to the universe for bringing me to this path. Before this i honestly was so lost, i have found myself more or less and maybe others will too during this trying time. If that is a new diet, faith or new habits or ending old habits will be choices people need to make but ones i can only suggest. Your body is a temple and you only get one, so treat it well!

 

[DrMrLordX]

This is just more conspiracy theory without some kind of actual proof that this has or would happen.

The conspiracy is that Dr. Fauci might hold a patent to the vaccine that will ultimately be approved (and required) by the Federal government. What is not a conspiracy are Big Pharma lobbyists that use the mallet of government power to sell their products (or make it easier to sell their products) and then line the pockets of public officials as payback. Ask Marsha Blackburn about that. And the Dole/Bayh act is real:

Bayh–Dole Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Public officials can and do profit from research funded by tax dollars. Though it's more-likely to be universities that take advantage of it than people like Dr. Fauci. Whether or not that's a good thing? I'll let you figure that out for yourself.

That whatever they're getting from Medicare is somehow a profit windfall that helps them is just beyond all sense.

The video takes several grains of truth and distorts them (or apparently distorts them). There are probably doctors being encouraged to over-report Covid-19 deaths, but not as a profit motive. It's out of desperation. If someone is dying from pneumonia with unknown source in your ICU, and you get more money if it's reported as Covid-19, what are you going to do? Either way you're losing money. The goal is to get as much as you can to prop up the hospital for as long as possible. If that's how you do it, that's what you do. It also means potentially over-reporting deaths. That's mitigated by the deaths that happen outside of hospitals that are never reported by anyone.

 

[Spacehead]

I don't know if this got posted but it's a real eye opener. Might be considered political but I feel people need to know. The system is corrupt AF and it's an eye opener about how horribly this situation is being managed.

Plandemic: The Hidden Agenda Behind Covid-19

This video is currently being censored on YouTube, as illustrated by this tweet. It's the first installment of a series of vignettes b...

lbry.tv

Had to use a lbry link since Youtube is censoring the crap out of stuff that does not fit their views.

Has everyone seen this video? If not, please do. Why on earth would it be removed from YT? Why isn't this the primary story ALL OVER THE MEDIA??? Virologists saying they are being forced to do the exact opposite of what should be done... The whole thing is cloaked in scandal. Would like to hear factual arguments against what the video explains... Fake news?

I didn't watch the video but read the "About the film"

Anyone who refuses to be injected with experimental poisons will be prohibited from travel, education and work. No, this is not a synopsis for a new horror movie. This is our current reality.

I guess i didn't get the memo

I didn't read all of this but here's a counter to that video.

<em>Plandemic</em>: Judy Mikovits and the mother of all COVID-19 conspiracy theories

Judy Mikovits is a disgraced scientist who published a paper claiming that a retrovirus called XMRV causes chronic fatigue syndrome, results that other investigators were unable to replicate. Since th

sciencebasedmedicine.org

 

[K1052]

The conspiracy is that Dr. Fauci might hold a patent to the vaccine that will ultimately be approved (and required) by the Federal government.

Yes, this is the totally deranged part.

What is not a conspiracy are Big Pharma lobbyists that use the mallet of government power to sell their products (or make it easier to sell their products) and then line the pockets of public officials as payback.

This is just a job description of every lobbyist ever.

The video takes several grains of truth and distorts them (or apparently distorts them). There are probably doctors being encouraged to over-report Covid-19 deaths, but not as a profit motive. It's out of desperation. If someone is dying from pneumonia with unknown source in your ICU, and you get more money if it's reported as Covid-19, what are you going to do? Either way you're losing money. The goal is to get as much as you can to prop up the hospital for as long as possible. If that's how you do it, that's what you do. It also means potentially over-reporting deaths. That's mitigated by the deaths that happen outside of hospitals that are never reported by anyone.

Wild, borderline irresponsible conjecture.

 

[K1052]

Few pieces of news:

Brix put in charge of remdesivir distribution after HHS/FEMA cocked it up:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...ffort-hospitals-struggle-access-drug-n1202951

FDA gives emergency use authorization to the Rutgers saliva based test for home use:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/health/fda-coronavirus-spit-test.html

NIH has begun a trial combining remdesivir and baricitinib:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...inflammatory-drug-baricitinib-covid-19-begins

 

[DrMrLordX]

Wild, borderline irresponsible conjecture.

So are hospitals getting $39k extra from Medicare for every reported Covid-19 death? Does anybody know? I'm not taking just one person's word on it from a video that got banned on YouTube.