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Red Squirrel

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One could argue that it's turned the US into a police state as well. In just about time span of about a month we went from a country whose motto was "Land of the free, and home of the brave" to a new motto of "Stay home or Die" :(
Even here in Canada. People are getting fined just for being outside. They are telling people it's ok to be outside, but they seem to be selective about it. There was a family that got fined for being together (they are in same household!) and then there was another incident where a teenager was just playing basketball alone. I get breaking up crowds, but it's like they're just looking for easy targets just for sake of fining people. The law is already starting to lose it's reasoning and only being enforced "because it's the law". That seems to be what happens with lot of laws, they may have a reason behind them but they still get enforced even when that reason does not apply.
 

_Rick_

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Interesting. I haven't heard about an early ski resort outbreak getting swept under rug. Got a link?
I know, late, but:

They can probably be held responsible for hundreds, if not thousands of deaths.
 

ultimatebob

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Even here in Canada. People are getting fined just for being outside. They are telling people it's ok to be outside, but they seem to be selective about it. There was a family that got fined for being together (they are in same household!) and then there was another incident where a teenager was just playing basketball alone. I get breaking up crowds, but it's like they're just looking for easy targets just for sake of fining people. The law is already starting to lose it's reasoning and only being enforced "because it's the law". That seems to be what happens with lot of laws, they may have a reason behind them but they still get enforced even when that reason does not apply.
Yeah... I know that people like to make fun of the liberty protestors around here, but somebody needs to speak up and try to keep the government in check. Otherwise, you end up with senseless laws like some of the ones in Michigan, where you can't buy seeds at Walmart but you can't buy them at your local ACE Hardware? HUH?!?
 
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Yeah... I know that people like to make fun of the liberty protestors around here, but somebody needs to speak up and try to keep the government in check. Otherwise, you end up with senseless laws like some of the ones in Michigan, where you can't buy seeds at Walmart but you can't buy them at your local ACE Hardware? HUH?!?
Things like the mask laws are beyond stupid and are highly in the authoritarian zone.

I make sure to not touch my face by always carrying 2 beers at all times.
 

CZroe

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Things like the mask laws are beyond stupid and are highly in the authoritarian zone.

I make sure to not touch my face by always carrying 2 beers at all times.
You mean anti-mask laws? I mean, you-know-who took a lot of crap for stressing that the mask recommendations are "voluntary."
 

K1052

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Yeah... I know that people like to make fun of the liberty protestors around here, but somebody needs to speak up and try to keep the government in check. Otherwise, you end up with senseless laws like some of the ones in Michigan, where you can't buy seeds at Walmart but you can't buy them at your local ACE Hardware? HUH?!?
Kind of a lurch from complaining about a few of inconsistent technicalities in an improvised situation conflicting to an endorsement of a small astroturfed movement that proposes insane public health risks.

For the sake of consistency I'm also very unforgiving to antivaxxers.
 
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Disney is well-known for being a piece of shit company.

 
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MtnMan

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Even here in Canada. People are getting fined just for being outside. They are telling people it's ok to be outside, but they seem to be selective about it. There was a family that got fined for being together (they are in same household!) and then there was another incident where a teenager was just playing basketball alone. I get breaking up crowds, but it's like they're just looking for easy targets just for sake of fining people. The law is already starting to lose it's reasoning and only being enforced "because it's the law". That seems to be what happens with lot of laws, they may have a reason behind them but they still get enforced even when that reason does not apply.
The problem is how the cops on the street interpret the stay home order, or any law for that matter. Some cops (a minority, but still too many) have their own interpretation of everything, and really get off on what they view as their superiority over normal citizens.

Crap like handcuffing a mother for pushing her own child on a swing, a dad playing catch with is son in the middle of an acre sized field, etc., etc.
 

shortylickens

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The problem is how the cops on the street interpret the stay home order, or any law for that matter. Some cops (a minority, but still too many) have their own interpretation of everything, and really get off on what they view as their superiority over normal citizens.

Crap like handcuffing a mother for pushing her own child on a swing, a dad playing catch with is son in the middle of an acre sized field, etc., etc.
Given the amount of power a cop has, that small minority is enough to cause real trouble. Enough to make people march in the streets and demand justice from a system that probably won't give it to them.
 

FelixDeCat

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Disney is well-known for being a piece of shit company.

Stop being such a xenophobe. We have to allow these people to come in and take our jobs because Americans dont want them, even though they had them and were laid off to get cheap replacements by large corporations who abuse the system and they are not here to take our jobs and free healthcare and racism and Donald Trump is just using this to keep hospitals dont have enough masks because he wont use one and they are not here to take our jobs and let them all in because open borders and we are the world and nationalism is a social construct for boomers.

How else do you expect that poor CEO to collect his $26 million dollar a year salary? Sure that equates to $2,500,000 per month, but Bob Iger is just trying to make ends meet. :(
 
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ultimatebob

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Kind of a lurch from complaining about a few of inconsistent technicalities in an improvised situation conflicting to an endorsement of a small astroturfed movement that proposes insane public health risks.

For the sake of consistency I'm also very unforgiving to antivaxxers.
I'd like the think that the protestors are keeping state officials from making REALLY stupid decisions, like closing down grocery stores and forcing a food delivery only model. I heard that idea being kicked around by CNN, and even their analysis of it found it to be a bad idea because there simply isn't enough delivery infrastructure set up to make the plan work in most areas. You want to see people panic and start looting businesses? That dumb idea is probably a good way to do it.

Think of the protestors like the canary in the coal mine... noisy, but effective as a warning.
 
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K1052

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I'd like the think that the protestors are keeping state officials from making REALLY stupid decisions, like closing down grocery stores and forcing a food delivery only model. I heard that idea being kicked around by CNN, and even their analysis of it found it to be a bad idea because there simply isn't enough delivery infrastructure set up to make the plan work in most areas. You want to see people panic and start looting businesses? That dumb idea is probably a good way to do it.

Think of the protestors like the canary in the coal mine... noisy, but effective as a warning.
Randos on tv talking about the possibly of something is a long way from a policy. The ginned up protesters want the right to hurt many other people and it’s all agitated by rich Trumpist conservatives. They can fuck right off. This isn’t principled objection.
 

DrMrLordX

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If I'm not mistaken said canary gives its warning by keeling over.
In the case of canaries, they have very little choice in the matter.

Some of the protestors might have a valid message. Maybe. People are running short on cash, let them get back to work, etc. Waiting for the government to prop them up while the virus burns out may not be working for everyone. It's easy not to see this while sitting at home burning through cash reserves that simply don't exist for a lot of people who have lost their jobs.

Protestors, however, DO have a choice in the matter. They can choose not to be complete idiots by contracting/spreading the disease. If you want to make a point, getting yourself killed while asserting your Constitutional freedom is not necessarily a great way to do it.

I used to say they stood for freedom -



free and dumb.
 
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K1052

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Dang

Yea I had read some doctors talking about how mechanical ventilation might be actually damaging in COVID cases. Laying people prone for most of the day and putting them on high flow oxygen appears to be seeing better results. It's something about the specific way the disease damages the lungs.
 
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Yea I had read some doctors talking about how mechanical ventilation might be actually damaging in COVID cases. Laying people prone for most of the day and putting them on high flow oxygen appears to be seeing better results. It's something about the specific way the disease damages the lungs.
 

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