NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[mopardude87]

It's been talked about a lot and debunked, but you really don't want to take anything that reduces your fever unless it's dangerously high. Fever activates the immune system and studies have shown that you lengthen the term of the illness when you needlessly knock down your fever. Tylenol/paracetamol is particularly good at lowering fever so avoid those if you have to take something.

I rarely get sick, i am built like a tank when it comes to my immune system. For back pain/hypomania/insomnia/anxiety its always good to have indica over anything extremely artificial. I am overly sensitive to medication and have dealt with some of the worst side effects medication can offer and for a time i popped pain pills like skittles for various pains. So glad i am done with that. I could get a prescription right now if i wish for hydros and well i rather stick to indica.

I can't recommend this stuff enough, its a cure all it really is and you can have some real fun without any of the harmful side effects as well.

 

[K1052]

In a bit of good news Battelle is deploying a method of mass sterilizing PPE for reuse:

https://www.10tv.com/article/fda-ap...sterilizing-technology-full-capacity-2020-mar

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved Columbus-based Battelle’s system that can decontaminate thousands of masks a day, according to a statement from the company.

Battelle told 10TV on Sunday night that the approval is for the use of the technology at “full capacity.”

According to a press release sent Sunday night from Battelle, the company’s CCDS Critical Care Decontamination System is now operating at Battelle’s West Jefferson, Ohio, facility.

The facility is capable of decontaminating up to 80,000 respirator masks per system each day using concentrated, vapor phase hydrogen peroxide.

According to a Sunday night statement from Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine's office, Battelle intends to send one machine to New York City and one to Stony Brook, New York. Machines will also be dispatched to the state of Washington.

 

[mopardude87]

In a bit of good news Battelle is deploying a method of mass sterilizing PPE for reuse:

https://www.10tv.com/article/fda-ap...sterilizing-technology-full-capacity-2020-mar

I think Trump was talking about this yesterday, no i don't normally watch but yeah i have been kinda here not focusing on the news. Prob more lies then truth but like to think some of it can be truth. Kind of my own little world not letting this virus stuff hit me, but i would like updates occasionally and this forum does it better then the news cause we can debate and everything and not blindly believe what we see.

 

[K1052]

I think Trump was talking about this yesterday, no i don't normally watch but yeah i have been kinda here not focusing on the news. Prob more lies then truth but like to think some of it can be truth. Kind of my own little world not letting this virus stuff hit me, but i would like updates occasionally and this forum does it better then the news cause we can debate and everything and not blindly believe what we see.

Yes, he prodded the FDA to approve full rather than conditional use of the technology. From what I read it's effective. Some of what Trump talks about are legit things that could help us but it's mixed in with other bad info or stuff not supported by data. The Abbott test he touted yesterday is another example of something really good that could help us a lot but he tends to oversell (to put it mildly).

The lost time of February into early March when the administration basically crossed its fingers is going to haunt us long term in lives and enormous economic hardship. At least if there is another surge in the fall we will have FAR more tools at our disposal to suppress it.

 

[pmv]

Seems our (UK) death figures have been undercounted.

England and Wales coronavirus death toll 40 higher than previously stated

ONS figures suggest almost one in five deaths occurring outside hospitals

www.theguardian.com

I heard earlier from someone (can't find a proper news report, so it might not be true) that something similar is true of Italy, Spain and France - they haven't been counting deaths in homes, only those in hospitals. Shocking, given how high the death rate already is those places - I had assumed they would be _over_ counting.

Plus of course there are many suggestions that the Chinese government deliberately understated their death toll.

So, so hard to work out what the fatality rate of this really is. But it might be the answer is 'worse than you think'.

 

[Muse]

I watched something with a friend and it was a video with some dude talking about how advil and other medication can make the virus worst? I need to find it but it was a eye opener. Its been spread as fud but idk this video was SUPER convincing. I hardly fall for anything like this. It was not Alex Jones btw.

This may well be the video you watched, and this guy's videos (I've seen a few) are really good:

This and other videos by this doctor are measured and calm, instructive, are evidently conceived for the health worker, but are IMO accessible by the layman. He begins talking about NSAIDs and Covid-19 at 6:56:

 

[Captante]

I know this is the non-political thread but listening to Andrew Cuomo just now ... all I'll say is the difference between him and our Imperious leader is stark. Be nice to have a steady hand on the national tiller!

Sorry for the interruption ... carry on.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Looks like our schools will be closed till at least May. That's kinda what I figured too but it's more official now.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-students-covid19-1.5516104?fbclid=IwAR0egYZDqDg6xKilIYcQ32LUkeU-lWitjBwdPc4vyUfeb5hl3L0pBZ8xBoU

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I know this is the non-political thread but listening to Andrew Cuomo just now ... all I'll say is the difference between him and our Imperious leader is stark. Be nice to have a steady hand on the national tiller!

Sorry for the interruption ... carry on.

Personally I'm getting to the point of eye rolls everytime I hear someone say that it's Trump's fault

#1 - Name a single country that was able to get a significant headsup to prevent COVID-19 outbreaks. (there isn't one)
#2 - As a governor of a very powerful state, what stopped you from taking actions ahead of time? (The answer is nothing)

I get really tired of the blame game. Is our leader dumb? Absolutely. Could he have done better? Absolutely. But you can't keep going to him as your source of cop-out for your state being the epicenter of shit.

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1244957130848952322

every crisis is a business opportunity

 

[Red Squirrel]

HOAs are assholes in general so it makes more sense they would amplify the assholery during this time.

Reason #948742 to never live in a HOA dictatorship. Boggles my mind that they are even a thing. I find even standard city bylaws can be ridiculous but HOAs take it a step further.

 

[CZroe]

Just had a tornado an hour ago. Power is out and trees are down everywhere. Cellular networks are barely working. The quarantine just got that much crappier.

 

[Captante]

Personally I'm getting to the point of eye rolls everytime I hear someone say that it's Trump's fault

#1 - Name a single country that was able to get a significant headsup to prevent COVID-19 outbreaks. (there isn't one)
#2 - As a governor of a very powerful state, what stopped you from taking actions ahead of time? (The answer is nothing)

I get really tired of the blame game. Is our leader dumb? Absolutely. Could he have done better? Absolutely. But you can't keep going to him as your source of cop-out for your state being the epicenter of shit.

You are correct about one thing, the virus itself was not Trumps fault we can pin most of that on China.

And the reason for being the epicenter is that NYC has the highest number of international travelers.

All I'm saying is it would certainly be nice to have the 4-6 weeks spent blowing sunshine up our collective a$$'s back.

 

[TheVrolok]

It's possible although I haven't look around for it. ACE inhibitors, a group of medications used for high blood pressure have been identified as problematic, however, there's some uncertainty in the literature.

Uncertainty implies a conclusion with limited weight, there's simply insufficient data for any conclusion. Current recommendations are to continue your ACE unless otherwise directed.

 

[Captante]

Just had a tornado an hour ago. Power is out and trees are down everywhere. Cellular networks are barely working. The quarantine just got that much crappier.

Wow glad your okay enough to be posting!

House damaged?

 

[quikah]

#1 - Name a single country that was able to get a significant headsup to prevent COVID-19 outbreaks. (there isn't one)

Taiwan has done remarkably well. In some ways you could say South Korea as well despite the large number of cases.

 

[CZroe]

Wow glad your okay enough to be posting!

House damaged?

I haven't been able to check my mom's place and my accessory building there due to the road closures and downed power lines but we seem to have escaped the worst of it. Just trash thrown all over the yard. Some neighbors weren't so lucky (lots of roof damage). The direct lighting strike a year ago was worse for us... that one took out the car!

 

[Captante]

Taiwan has done remarkably well. In some ways you could say South Korea as well despite the large number of cases.

Was just reading an article this morning which argued that based on its population vs infections South Korea had the overall best success at this point.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1244957130848952322

every crisis is a business opportunity

Well, are they "working from home" for a corporate business just doing their salary position... Or are they running their own commercial business?

If you're just working from home for a company that hired you, I don't believe that falls in line of what the letter says... Of course IANAL.

HOAs are assholes in general so it makes more sense they would amplify the assholery during this time.

Reason #948742 to never live in a HOA dictatorship. Boggles my mind that they are even a thing. I find even standard city bylaws can be ridiculous but HOAs take it a step further.

They can have their place and they can be downright assholes. Just depends.

If HOAs were actually made by the people (instead of by the builder or whatever mass company does them) then it would make sense. Some general rules to maintain property values makes sense.

All it takes sometimes is one asshole that has weeds the size of 3ft and 3 broken cars parked on the law to realize that your property value is going down because of them.


So yeah, lawn standards are good. But then you just have grannies that go around reporting you for having your trash-can on the street for 1 extra day - or you put it out too early because you're only supposed to put it out after 6PM the night before. That is completely childish and immature.

 

[Muse]

Personally I'm getting to the point of eye rolls everytime I hear someone say that it's Trump's fault

#1 - Name a single country that was able to get a significant headsup to prevent COVID-19 outbreaks. (there isn't one)
#2 - As a governor of a very powerful state, what stopped you from taking actions ahead of time? (The answer is nothing)

I get really tired of the blame game. Is our leader dumb? Absolutely. Could he have done better? Absolutely. But you can't keep going to him as your source of cop-out for your state being the epicenter of shit.

What Trump did is set us up for a far worse scenario in this country by dismissing the threat posed by this virus pretty steadily up until his parishioners in church on Easter proclamation. His anti-science persona has literally been killing us. Is the empidemic in the USA his fault? No. But his King Sadim leadership (everything he touches turns to shit) has us on a trajectory many times worse than it needed to be.

 

[KMFJD]

Well, are they "working from home" for a corporate business just doing their salary position... Or are they running their own commercial business?

If you're just working from home for a company that hired you, I don't believe that falls in line of what the letter says... Of course IANAL.



They can have their place and they can be downright assholes. Just depends.

If HOAs were actually made by the people (instead of by the builder or whatever mass company does them) then it would make sense. Some general rules to maintain property values makes sense.

All it takes sometimes is one asshole that has weeds the size of 3ft and 3 broken cars parked on the law to realize that your property value is going down because of them.


So yeah, lawn standards are good. But then you just have grannies that go around reporting you for having your trash-can on the street for 1 extra day - or you put it out too early because you're only supposed to put it out after 6PM the night before. That is completely childish and immature.

I seriously doubt that people working from home on computers would be defined as commercial business unless the judge(or his friends) has a financial stake in the outcome.....

 

[pmv]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1244957130848952322

every crisis is a business opportunity

Made me laugh to see the tweet in the thread insisting that HOA's "aren't capitalism, but socialism". No True Scotsman fallacy in its purest form. HOAs operate under the rules of capitalism, they are based on contracts and property-rights.

In fact, their existence is related to my doubt as to whether there's ultimately any difference between different systems. Imagine a HOA that covered an entire country. Especially if there's a limited supply of land, like a city-state. Is that socialism, or capitalism where one person or ogranisation just happens to own all the land? The only real rule seems to be that power is always abused, in almost any circumstances.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I'd say HOAs are more like communism or even dictatorship. Though I wonder if places like China or Russia are even that strict on what you can do on your property. I feel it's a bit more wild west in that respect. But they can also come and take your house at a moment's notice, like what happened in Sochi when they were setting up the olympics. Imagine being told you have 5 minutes to vacate everyone from your house and there's a bulldozer sitting there for you to watch them bulldoze everything in your life away.

All it takes sometimes is one asshole that has weeds the size of 3ft and 3 broken cars parked on the law to realize that your property value is going down because of them.

Never understood the obsession with property value, I paid whatever I was willing to pay at the time I bought my house. If the value goes down, oh well. It would be nice if the taxes would go down with it too actually... but that's probably wishful thinking. If someone has weeds or cars on the lawn I couldn't care less as long as it does not start to actually affect me, like fumes or trash coming on my side. Any vegetation that comes on my side I have the right to cut as I see fit, so I will just deal with it. I may point and laugh at how ridiculous their lawn looks, but that should be their right if they don't want to maintain it.

Been looking for land in an unorganized township myself though to build an off grid homestead, even in the city there's so many petty rules, and with unorganized you can pretty much do what you want. No permits or any of that BS either. I just want to be able to build what I want, how I want, and do what I want. True freedom. With this coronavirus it makes me wish I was already living mostly off grid tbh. A tad less worry when you're already mostly self sufficient.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I'd say HOAs are more like communism or even dictatorship. Though I wonder if places like China or Russia are even that strict on what you can do on your property. I feel it's a bit more wild west in that respect. But they can also come and take your house at a moment's notice, like what happened in Sochi when they were setting up the olympics. Imagine being told you have 5 minutes to vacate everyone from your house and there's a bulldozer sitting there for you to watch them bulldoze everything in your life away.



Never understood the obsession with property value, I paid whatever I was willing to pay at the time I bought my house. If the value goes down, oh well. It would be nice if the taxes would go down with it too actually... but that's probably wishful thinking. If someone has weeds or cars on the lawn I couldn't care less as long as it does not start to actually affect me, like fumes or trash coming on my side. Any vegetation that comes on my side I have the right to cut as I see fit, so I will just deal with it. I may point and laugh at how ridiculous their lawn looks, but that should be their right if they don't want to maintain it.

Been looking for land in an unorganized township myself though to build an off grid homestead, even in the city there's so many petty rules, and with unorganized you can pretty much do what you want. No permits or any of that BS either. I just want to be able to build what I want, how I want, and do what I want. True freedom. With this coronavirus it makes me wish I was already living mostly off grid tbh. A tad less worry when you're already mostly self sufficient.

Everyone should always be concerned with their property value...

I understand that you live in northern parts of Canada eh" ? So I'm guessing your property value doesn't fluctuate much, since it sounds like you don't live in a heavily populated dense area like a typical urban city? How spread apart are the homes where you live?

I mean just to put it into perspective, my wife bought our last house for ~$140k (before we even met) around 2010. 7 years later we sold it for $215k. Property values ARE a big deal - unless you think a 50% profit isn't a big deal?

But that's just it is what I'm saying. I'm all for the libertarian aspect of "Do what you want as long as it doesn't affect me"... but that's just it, other properties in your neighborhood DOES affect you. It affects your home worth, and subsequently how much money you can get for it.

 

[nakedfrog]

I'd say HOAs are more like communism or even dictatorship. Though I wonder if places like China or Russia are even that strict on what you can do on your property. I feel it's a bit more wild west in that respect. But they can also come and take your house at a moment's notice, like what happened in Sochi when they were setting up the olympics. Imagine being told you have 5 minutes to vacate everyone from your house and there's a bulldozer sitting there for you to watch them bulldoze everything in your life away.

Then you just lie down in the mud in front of the bulldozer, until your quirky friend convinces the foreman to lie in the mud in your stead while you nip off to the pub for a pint because the world is about to end.

Duh.