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Lifer
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People...

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

A foul and deadly disease by any other name would be just as awful.

You have to see beyond the hype to get to the gist of what's happening now. I would (i.e. WILL) personally avoid any news source that is right now referring to this as Chinese coronavirus.
 
CZroe

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pmv said:
Seems to me the tribalism is there in both the US (or 'the West') and China. I concede that the US emphasis on it being 'Chinese' may be in response to the nationalistic Chinese conspiracy theories about it being some sort of foreign plot (conspiracy theories which I've only just heard about, but which don't surprise me).

The point is, I don't see any convincing argument to say that such a thing could only have arisen in China, or that the specific mismanagment of the Chinese government was the only way such a global epidemic could have come about. It's a product of an increasingly globalized world, with ever-increasing levels of travel (plus, perhaps, the practice of eating meat and increasing human encroachment on the natural world). Assigning it a national-identity carries the implication that certain cultures or political systems are a necessary and fundamental cause of such disasters - I don't see a good reason to believe that. It seems to me to be more a product of modern society as a whole.

www.theguardian.com

'American coronavirus': China pushes propaganda casting doubt on virus origin

Diplomats, state media and officials in China encourage idea that Covid-19 came from the US
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I don't think it implies that at all. Never did in the past. The mere suggestion that it has racist implications, a suggestion from China, seems to be where the implication comes from. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
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[DHT]Osiris said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1238134251633152002
Italy is tracking an 8.6% mortality rate. This is what happens when your case load outpaces ICU beds.
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www.ansa.it

Number of smokers in Italy on the rise - TopNews - Ansa.it

The number of smokers in Italy is on the rise, the Higher Health Institute (ISS) said on World No Tobacco Day Thursday. Some 23.3% or 12.2 million Italians now smoke, 0.4% up on last year, the ISS said. Some 27.7% of men, up 3.8%, and 19.2% of women, down 1. (ANSA)
www.ansa.it www.ansa.it

probably has a lot to do with the high %
 
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killster1 said:
Muse

My Smith machine has pull down and row attachment. 100 a year is a great price I guess u cant buy alot for that. Maybe a elliptical used from craigslist. My smith machine was 300 or less and came with 300 pounds of Olympic bumper plates. I got lucky and looked for a month before getting it on craigslist. The kids school said they will need a contract to be out multiple weeks. Then they transferred me to voicemail. Arrrgh was planning on letting them go one more day then pulling them out of class. Hope it's not to late by then. Sigh... Tom Hanks isnt to bad yet according to the news just slight ache and some cold sweats from the wife.
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I was out front about to water my green onions and my neighbor walked by with his two young kids and we chatted a bit. He said the schools around here (Berkeley, CA) are not (as of yet) closing down. He didn't seem to expect them to, but he may not know. I know the parameters (arguments for and against) and cited them quickly. Closing schools would lower the bell curve, but a lot of health care workers have kids, can't afford day care and would have to stay home to care for their kids if the schools close. I suppose it will be happening on a case by case basis subject to local jurisdictions, governing bodies, school boards, whoever makes those decisions.

Not sure I'm going to the gym today.
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Racist!
:colbert:

Too bad the Colbert smiley is no more. :(
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Yes, but some of us still have imagination!
 
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Red Squirrel said:
I guess there are strains of this that arn't contagious? They just announced the case in Sudbury was a non contagious one so anyone that may have been near him does not need to worry. He was even sent home but asked to self quarantine as precaution.
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If it's not contagious, he wouldn't have it.

Perhaps they were saying he wasn't YET contagious.
 
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echo4747 said:
www.ansa.it

Number of smokers in Italy on the rise - TopNews - Ansa.it

The number of smokers in Italy is on the rise, the Higher Health Institute (ISS) said on World No Tobacco Day Thursday. Some 23.3% or 12.2 million Italians now smoke, 0.4% up on last year, the ISS said. Some 27.7% of men, up 3.8%, and 19.2% of women, down 1. (ANSA)
www.ansa.it www.ansa.it

probably has a lot to do with the high %
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Heat kills Coronavirus.
Smoking is heating up your lungs.

Therefore smoking kills coronavirus in your lungs
 
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Svnla said:
I will put this here, of course, no big deal right? Imagine the races were reverse, Asian students yell "wet back or ILLEGALS" or throw away any sombrero at Hispanic students, eh? Where are the yelling and screaming for justice from SJWs? Where are the outrages? Uh huh.
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I wish you'd delete that thing. It's gone off on its own several times before I got near the post. Just a lot of annoying noise. I just witnessed it including the video and it made no sense. It's just plain annoying. Please delete it!
 
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Contingency planning has definitely been stepped up a notch here at work over the past 36 hours.

I bet we're working remotely by Monday. Public schools will be closed by the end of next week.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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pmv said:
Makes sense to me - but seems like a significant number of older or already-ill people are going to die no matter how flat the curve is? Also, to keep the curve flat is going to mean an extended period of lost productivity. No way to avoid that I guess.
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Both accurate. Ideally though, you have some of the 40 and 50-somethings (or younger with pre-existing conditions) that get very bad cases that actually survive because there's ICU beds available, rather than die because they cannot get medical attention.
 
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[DHT]Osiris said:
I think the issue is, that this virus already had an established naming convention, of Coronavirus or COVID-19.
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you can't be serious. Do you realize the only reason you thought it was acceptable to call it "coronavirus" is because WHO was so washy-washy about giving it a proper name for months? In case you forgot, a large portion of the common cold has always been caused by coronavirus. Coronavirus was well-known long before this new strain developed and jumped to humans.

[DHT]Osiris said:
The affix of 'Wuhan' or 'Chinese' has been implemented in an attempt to distance the US from the virus, and to create a scapegoat for this administration's inaction. It also happens to be a great way to incite racism.

It's a shit idea by shit people.
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This is ludicrous. It's "SARS-2" - and China really didn't like it when a doctor in Wuhan (now dead) was one of the first to identify this and he was quickly silenced. "The Wuhan virus" is a perfectly adequate description to distinguish from common pre-existing strains of coronavirus.

Even "Kung flu" is a more appropriate name than "coronavirus.

If China is sensitive about being associated with new outbreaks and epidemics, then calling this what it actually is may encourage CCP to do the right thing the next time they have an opportunity.
 
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brainhulk said:
Heat kills Coronavirus.
Smoking is heating up your lungs.

Therefore smoking kills coronavirus in your lungs
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Enough heat will kill anything.

Smoking trashes your lungs, been known for many decades. The inside of a smoker's lungs are black from tar (so they tell me, but I have ZERO reason to doubt it). They say stop smoking pot for the time being until this blows over.
 
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Ichinisan said:
you can't be serious. Do you realize the only reason you thought it was acceptable to call it "coronavirus" is because WHO was so washy-washy about giving it a proper name for months? In case you forgot, a large portion of the common cold has always been caused by coronavirus. Coronavirus was well-known long before this new strain developed and jumped to humans.


This is ludicrous. "The Wuhan virus" is a perfectly adequate description to distinguish from common pre-existing strains of coronavirus.

Even "Kung flu" is a more appropriate name than "coronavirus.
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Yes, I know that just calling it 'coronavirus' is a terrible name, but it was already there prior to adding a locational delimiter (as was my original argument). Locational delimiters are still fucking stupid, given that you can travel around the world in a day.
 
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allisolm said:
And German measles didn't originate in Germany.
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Again, that's only one theory regarding the origin of Spanish Flu. The other prevailing theory was that it arrived with Chinese workers transported around to dig trenches for World War I:
 
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CZroe said:
NBA player defiantly touches every microphone and then comes down with SARS-CoV-2:

www.cbssports.com

Rudy Gobert touched every microphone at Jazz media availability Monday, now reportedly has coronavirus

Rudy Gobert could have potentially spread the disease he reportedly tested positive for two days later
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

Guy thought he was Maddox:

I hope I get coronavirus.

I hope I get coronavirus
maddox.xmission.com
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That was unbelievably bone headed. Saw it a couple times on TV news last night. He's going to have a hard time living that one down. The immediate fallout was the cancellation of the remainder of the NBA season!
 
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Muse said:
That was unbelievably bone headed. Saw it a couple times on TV news last night. He's going to have a hard time living that one down. The immediate fallout was the cancellation of the remainder of the NBA season!
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That guy is a hero for all I'm concerned. He got the ball rolling on a snowball of closures that should have began weeks ago.
 
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CZroe said:
Excellent! Only thing I would change would be to show a mortality rate Up and Down arrow that changes along with something to make it clear that the number of cases in both graphs are about the same.
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I think it's obvious that the mortality will drop drastically as you spread out the curve. I think it's also intuitively obvious that the overall infection rate will drop as well.
 
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