NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Svnla]

I just look at United website and the price from US to Asia (round trip) for one ticket by end of this year/early next year is about the same. No huge discount there. Hopefully by then, this virus thing would be a memory.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Still, the origin is scientifically useful and is perfectly acceptable. No one is complaining about MERS being named for the region (Middle East).

I think the contention (at least with me anyhow) is that this already had an applicable name, there was no specific confusion about where it originated from, and the only reason that can be deduced for using the affix is to create a scapegoat. In addition, it wasn't the medical community that came up with 'Chinese Coronavirus', it was GOP congresscritters and our president.

 

[pmv]

Just a few weeks ago CNN felt it more important to lecture on racism rather than educate the public on the oncoming pandemic wave about to sweep through the US, Europe and most other parts of the globe. The headline is even more absurd considering the virus actually was spreading rapidly through the US at the time, just as many experts were predicting.

The problem wasn't the reporting on the rise in racist incidents - that was and is a legitimate story. The problem was the media's lack of attention to the threat from the virus. I'm not inclined to defend the media - liberal or otherwise - in that respect. It's been bugging me for a while now that this thing has not been reported very well.

I also have a personal issue with the tendency of medics to offer false reassurance, even to the extent of going beyond what they really know (note to medical profesionals everywhere - it's counter-productive when you try to reassure an anxious patient by saying something they know for a fact is simply not true). Many genuine experts have a tendency to overestimate their expertise (cf every cop who is convinced they 'know' a suspect is guilty, regardless of evidence).

But that doesn't make reporting racist attacks in itself wrong.

 

[cytg111]

God forbid we have high expectations for mainstream news media that previously had a reputation for reputable journalism.

Anyhow, do everyone a favor and read things like Reuters over CNN/MSNBC/FOX

I still think you are a couple of degrees right of north but Reuters is a good compromise.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

I literally just googled 'covid-19 recovery rate by age' and looked at the image search.
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You're welcome.

OK, that provides actual numbers for death rates percentages, but how about recovery times?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Nah, it's racist, or rather, it's xenophobic/political with racism as a possible side-effect. Only people calling it 'Chinese corona virus' are those with a track-record of nationalism and anti-Chinese sentiment in particular. There's no objective need to use the word 'Chinese' in that context - other names are clearly available, like novel coronavirus or covid19 - that terminology is clearly being forced self-conciously for political reasons.

The supposed other examples given are obviously different - there are zillions of different flu strains, and there's a valid reason to give a particular outbreak a unique identifier, plus most of them are old - even xenophobia sometimes gets neutered by age and tradition.

(And "Spanish flu" has always been an unfair one itself - it didn't originate in Spain, the Spanish just happened to report on it more honestly, but as the Spanish are not a group that get stigmatised and as the US isn't a major rival power of Spain, it doesn't really matter all that much)

Sure bud, sure.

It's just covert racism. If you think the only people calling it Chinese Corona Virus (ESPECIALLY during the early months of December - February) are anti-Chinese or nationalist or racist then you would basically be calling everyone that. Every single media company, politician, and general reporters referred to as that at the time.

It's less applicable now since it's a global pandemic, but to say it's racist is just plain looney tunes.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

OK, that provides actual numbers for death rates percentages, but how about recovery times?

This isn't by age, but it's a start. I don't think that level of information is available yet.

 

[zinfamous]

I just ordered a horse and buggy off Ebay - just in case.

I live relatively close to Amish country. I shall take one by force, if necessary!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Sure bud, sure.

It's just covert racism. If you think the only people calling it Chinese Corona Virus (ESPECIALLY during the early months of December - February) are anti-Chinese or nationalist or racist then you would basically be calling everyone that. Every single media company, politician, and general reporters referred to as that at the time.

It's less applicable now since it's a global pandemic, but to say it's racist is just plain looney tunes.

They were? I wasn't hearing anyone use that delimiter until this week. Got some sauce for that claim?

 

[pmv]

Sure bud, sure.

It's just covert racism. If you think the only people calling it Chinese Corona Virus (ESPECIALLY during the early months of December - February) are anti-Chinese or nationalist or racist then you would basically be calling everyone that. Every single media company, politician, and general reporters referred to as that at the time.

It's less applicable now since it's a global pandemic, but to say it's racist is just plain looney tunes.

I've not heard anyone call it that till conservative Americans quite recently. Quite possible that people said that innocently back when it was still confined to Wuhan (though I didn't hear them doing it). But the issue is people using that term _now_.

 

[zinfamous]

God forbid we have high expectations for mainstream news media that previously had a reputation for reputable journalism.

Anyhow, do everyone a favor and read things like Reuters over CNN/MSNBC/FOX

they still do, though. I do agree with the last statement.

 

[IronWing]

I live relatively close to Amish country. I shall take one by force, if necessary!

Have you ever tried to operate a horse? Steering is loosey goosey, the ride sucks, and holy crap they go ape shit when you put the nozzle in to refill the tank.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Have you ever tried to operate a horse? Steering is loosey goosey, the ride sucks, and holy crap they go ape shit when you put the nozzle in to refill the tank.

Changing tires is significantly more complicated as well.

 

[zinfamous]

In other news, politicians are are worried about...

*rolls dice*
the political correctness of referring to the Coronovirus with the place of origin in the name! Come on down, you're the winner!

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At least someone tried to help them out in realizing that this is incredibly common:
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Liz Wheeler isn't defending anything, only proving the initial criticism--those names have nothing to do with the actual location of origin of some of those diseases. In fact, "Spanish Flu" has the preposterous distinction of being named after the only country at the time that was honestly reporting the situation on the ground, so the perception about its origin (absolutely not Spain) is completely wrong.

 

[randay]

Just curious...Has anyone heard any info as to whether or not you can have simultaneous multiple respiratory viral infections? (i.e. seasonal flu and covid-19) Would one strain out compete the other? Would the effects be cumulative?

dont forget ebola, measles, shingles, and aids. you dont want people to think you are virist, do you?

edit: dang senators beat me to it. im sad now.

 

[ponyo]

they still do, though. I do agree with the last statement.

Reuters is horrible. I've learned lot about news outlets since my time closely following Tesla. They're all fake news. I don't fully trust any news outlets anymore. Things I've seen with Tesla false reporting, I can never forgive or forget.

 

[zinfamous]

McConnell rejects House bill that would extend sick leave, free testing, expanded government benefits for the poor citing it as "ideological".

lol. vote for ghouls, expect ghouls to be ghouls.

Let's see how Mitch responds when (not if) he is confirmed to have Covid-19.

 

[Ichinisan]

LOL is India trying to insinuate that they are clean and they don't want it getting in?

Because that would be funny.

On my February 15/16 connecting flight from Istanbul to Atlanta, I sat next to a man from India who was coughing his lungs out the whole way and never tried to cover his face. I took absolutely no comfort in seeing there were no confirmed cases in India. To me that basically means they were not testing for it.

 

[CZroe]

I think the issue is, that this virus already had an established naming convention, of Coronavirus or COVID-19. The affix of 'Wuhan' or 'Chinese' has been implemented in an attempt to distance the US from the virus, and to create a scapegoat for this administration's inaction. It also happens to be a great way to incite racism.

It's a shit idea by shit people.

No. It was already being referred to that way before the WHO named the disease "COVID-19" and the International Committee on the Taxonomy of Viruses' Coronavirus Study Group named the virus "SARS-CoV-2." There are numerous examples of people calling it "Chinese" or "Wuhan" on the left and right.

Spanish flu originated in the U.S. Checkmate anti-PC PC police.

MAY have. There are two prevailing theories and the other one involves Chinese workers digging trenches for the war effort, transported around Europe by train.

Nah, it's racist, or rather, it's xenophobic/political with racism as a possible side-effect. Only people calling it 'Chinese corona virus' are those with a track-record of nationalism and anti-Chinese sentiment in particular.

Would you like me to prove you wrong?

The supposed other examples given are obviously different - there are zillions of different flu strains, and there's a valid reason to give a particular outbreak a unique identifier, plus most of them are old - even xenophobia sometimes gets neutered by age and tradition.

MERS is from 2012. No one was shying away from naming these things that way until China objected to it. Now China is saying it came from the USA and we're afraid to even call it like it is.

Pretty freakin' funny.

I think the contention (at least with me anyhow) is that this already had an applicable name, there was no specific confusion about where it originated from, and the only reason that can be deduced for using the affix is to create a scapegoat. In addition, it wasn't the medical community that came up with 'Chinese Coronavirus', it was GOP congresscritters and our president.

Not true. Even people who once called it "Wuhan Virus" are calling people racist for calling it that. China suggested early on that it was racist and now they've fooled gullible people into believing it all while they create the confusion you deny. They are telling their people that it originated in the USA and doing things like editing Wikipedia to hide the origin. Trackers were even made to show it emerging around the world simultaneously. It is demonstrably not true that there is no specific confusion.

They control their media and influence ours, which is why LaoWhy86 predicted this was going to happen. They would portray themselves as heroes and avoid any negative association. His own Chinese father-in-law now believes it came from the USA.

https://youtu.be/P12W0FPco90

The WHO named the disease COVID-19 after calling the virus "novel Coronavirus" or "2019-nCoV" but the ICTV is more authoritative and named the virus SARS-CoV-2. They aren't afraid to call a spade a spade where China and the WHO wanted to avoid associating it with SARS, a region, or a people. Who cares what China wants?! It isn't racist to disregard what China wants. We're buying their propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

Don't be a sucker. It's the very definition of manufactured outrage and it isn't even as self-serving as they might think.

As for "novel" being a good-enough delimiter: It isn't. MERS was a "novel" coronavirus in 2012. SARS was a "novel" coronavirus a decade before that. 2009-Pan-H1N1 Influenza was "novel" in 2009. Stop trying to excuse the people distorting facts to scream "racist!" It's unbecoming.

They were? I wasn't hearing anyone use that delimiter until this week. Got some sauce for that claim?

There are endless examples on Twitter of people shaming the people screaming "racism" with screenshots of themselves saying it a month or two ago.

Open your eyes.

 

[Muse]

Ireland has closed all schools through the end of March.

There's a lot of 'til end of March type stuff happening, but I have not personally seen/heard info that gives me hope that the situation will have improved by then. MLB? Not likely. Olympics? My money's on NO. At least not with in person spectators. The shit IS hitting the fan, folks.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

They were? I wasn't hearing anyone use that delimiter until this week. Got some sauce for that claim?

I've not heard anyone call it that till conservative Americans quite recently. Quite possible that people said that innocently back when it was still confined to Wuhan (though I didn't hear them doing it). But the issue is people using that term _now_.

Well then you haven't been reading or paying attention to the news until now apparently.

Just do any web search for "Chinese Coronavirus" or "Wuhan Coronavirus" and you will find plenty of examples. Here's just a few from what most people would consider mainstream media. I spent 1 minute just screenshotting these from the first 2 pages.







Notice a trend? A lot are stemming from the December - February time frame like I stated before the political correctness crowd made their insane accusation that it's racist. Either way, the concept that there was intentional racism behind it is just bonkers dude. I really hope you guys can come to terms with that.

No, calling the novel coronavirus the 'Wuhan virus' is not racist

We live in a time when racism is a serious issue. Finding excuses to hurl the racism charge over such minor issues as disease names is silly.

www.usatoday.com

Like CZroe said, this is manufactured outrage - through and through.

 

[K1052]

MLS suspending season effective immediately.

 

[zinfamous]

Sure bud, sure.

It's just covert racism. If you think the only people calling it Chinese Corona Virus (ESPECIALLY during the early months of December - February) are anti-Chinese or nationalist or racist then you would basically be calling everyone that. Every single media company, politician, and general reporters referred to as that at the time.

It's less applicable now since it's a global pandemic, but to say it's racist is just plain looney tunes.

just, no.

 

[zinfamous]

I've not heard anyone call it that till conservative Americans quite recently. Quite possible that people said that innocently back when it was still confined to Wuhan (though I didn't hear them doing it). But the issue is people using that term _now_.

when the only source of information you allow for yourself is "conservative america," then it is very likely your own personal reality will never stray outside of that perspective.

 

[zinfamous]

Reuters is horrible. I've learned lot about news outlets since my time closely following Tesla. They're all fake news. I don't fully trust any news outlets anymore. Things I've seen with Tesla false reporting, I can never forgive or forget.

oh.....ok.

please keep your cult opinions re: Tesla to your many designated Tesla cult threads, please.