No children of lesbians accepted here...

[Doc Savage Fan]

The key word is bolded. Why must things like this be promoted?

Does the word 'teaching' help you instead? Yoga is OK...but going to yoga class...well that's different? Is that what you're saying?

We're all unique individuals with different hopes, different desires, and different fears. There is no one-size-fits-all, so why is it good that we try to make it fit all?

I agree with you that "there is no one-size-fits-all"...that would explain why there's so many different religions and denominations (and shoe stores too for that matter)...no?

Yes...we're all unique individuals with different hopes, different desires, and different fears. But, on the outside chance there is a God...I would think He would understand this...and probably understand it much better than we do.

 

[zsdersw]

Does the word 'teaching' help you instead? Yoga is OK...but going to yoga class...well that's different? Is that what you're saying?

Sort of..

I agree with you that "there is no one-size-fits-all"...that would explain why there's so many different religions and denominations (and shoe stores too for that matter)...no?

It would probably explain it, but it also points out the idiocy of promoting them to others or "non-believers".

Yes...we're all unique individuals with different hopes, different desires, and different fears. But, on the outside chance there is a God...I would think He would understand this...and probably understand it much better than we do.

I'm not sure how relevant that is to what we're talking about, specifically.

 

[Elfear]

You assume that because it has done those things for you it will also do so for others. That is arrogance and naivety.

Sorry but that is a pretty worthless assumption. How would a religious person know if his/her religion will do the same thing for that person unless he talks to them??? What would either person have to lose? A few minutes of time to see if someone's life might become better? At the very least, even if the recipient decided that religion wasn't for him, he would understand a religious person's point of view a little better and vice versa.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It would probably explain it, but it also points out the idiocy of promoting them to others or "non-believers".

Shoe stores advertise...they think shoes are very useful and hope that some people come to their store and possibly find a pair that are comfortable and fit well.

Not buying shoes and going barefoot is also an option...maybe a little harder on the feet...but that's OK too. But there's some who say shoes are bad and going barefoot is much better. Not only that...they 'promote' this to "non-believers" and demonize the shoe stores for advertising.

Whether to buy shoes or go barefoot is a choice...and advocating your choice is not "idiocy"...it's called conviction.

 

[Nemesis 1]

This,

I don't get it it either - why do you want to be part of an institution that is fundamentally against your lifestyle? Same thing for swingers, adulterers, thieves etc.

The Lesbian couple would have to have an agenda for this to make sense. The HRCC has always had these types of rules. They want their Child in that school just to force the issue . This shows their true nature and true feelings about using the tools at hand . In this case the tool is a child . Bad of the lesbian couple to use the child in this manner. Even tho the Church is likely wrong also . It is the lesbian couple pushing the issue . Thats how we got the news. Both parties are maybe wrong here . But the lesbian couple have an agenda. Plainly seen by their actions.

 

[zsdersw]

Sorry but that is a pretty worthless assumption. How would a religious person know if his/her religion will do the same thing for that person unless he talks to them???

Well you said yourself you would feel selfish not sharing your experience, which means you're convinced that experience would be of some great value to someone else.

What would either person have to lose? A few minutes of time to see if someone's life might become better? At the very least, even if the recipient decided that religion wasn't for him, he would understand a religious person's point of view a little better and vice versa.

People should seek these things for themselves if they desire, not be sought by others.

 

[zsdersw]

Shoe stores advertise...they think shoes are very useful and hope that some people come to their store and possibly find a pair that are comfortable and fit well.

Not buying shoes and going barefoot is also an option...maybe a little harder on the feet...but that's OK too. But there's some who say shoes are bad and going barefoot is much better. Not only that...they 'promote' this to "non-believers" and demonize the shoe stores for advertising.

Whether to buy shoes or go barefoot is a choice...and advocating your choice is not "idiocy"...it's called conviction.

This shouldn't be news to you, but product advertising/promotion is entirely different from advertising/promoting a religion. I will concede that, like shoes, religion is a product of man and, as such, is typically advertised and promoted, but that's where the analogy's truthfulness stops. I don't know of any bombings, killings, demonstrations, or significant legislation that was done in the name of shoes. I do, however, know of many of those things conducted in the name of religion.

Advocating your choice on a matter so seriously taken and rooted in such primal and basic fears and desires as religious beliefs is idiocy, yes.

 

[Elfear]

Well you said yourself you would feel selfish not sharing your experience, which means you're convinced that experience would be of some great value to someone else.

Exactly. I am convinced that experience would be of great value to someone else. That's why I talk about it with other people. I'm not seeing why you consider this a bad thing.

People should seek these things for themselves if they desire, not be sought by others.

I guess we'll just have to disagree about that. I don't believe I ever would have gone looking for religion before some friends invited me to church. I was agnostic at the time and had no feelings one way or the other. I am very glad that my friends decided to talk to me about religion because otherwise I'd be on the same purposeless path I was on before (not to imply that generally, just to me specifically).

 

[classy]

I have no problem at all with what they did. What gay person in their right mind would send their child to a catholic school? Or any christian based school for that matter?

 

[zsdersw]

Exactly. I am convinced that experience would be of great value to someone else. That's why I talk about it with other people. I'm not seeing why you consider this a bad thing.

You seem to contradict yourself. The response of yours I quoted included this key question:

"How would a religious person know if his/her religion will do the same thing for that person unless he talks to them???"

The conviction that your experience would be beneficial to someone else is arrogant and naive. This conviction that you and others share is the seed that's responsible for the huge sprawling thorny bush that is religious fanaticism in Islam and the KKK, and also the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells and Fred Phelps' and their devotees in Christianity. That's why it's a bad thing.

I know Islamic fanatics and rabid Christian fundamentalists are a minority in the overall population, but they're currently in the driver's seat. The Republican party is the slave of Christian conservatives and much of US and world policy is committed to thwarting terrorism and Islamic fanaticism, too often to the detriment not of terrorists but of the rights and freedoms of ordinary people. There are also far too many incredibly powerful nations led by highly religious people who steer the ship of state not on facts and a humble sense of "I don't know", but on the righteousness of, and conviction in, their religious beliefs.

I guess we'll just have to disagree about that. I don't believe I ever would have gone looking for religion before some friends invited me to church. I was agnostic at the time and had no feelings one way or the other. I am very glad that my friends decided to talk to me about religion because otherwise I'd be on the same purposeless path I was on before (not to imply that generally, just to me specifically).

In situations of need or of longing, people will seek.