NFL - Are you fed up?

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: ScottFern
And in response to Kevin Everett I can't believe your using that as an example of bad things that go on in the NFL. It was a freak accident and things like that rarely if ever happen. Football is a violent gladiator sport and there is nothing wrong with that. Some people love it and others don't and thats fine, but please don't bash an entire sport based on the actions of a few bad apples.

I think he means there are positive stories out there but all they will talk about this week is the Pats and maybe Vick.

However, if you are choosing to give up the NFL for the NHL you may be lost already.

Wow, he finally discovered that the media likes to harp on the bad news, that's like discovering the sky is blue.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
The difference between a sprinter a team sport is HUGE. In running / swimming / whatever, you are primarily competing against the clock. The impact your opponents have is minimal (the only way they can 'effect' you is by being in front / behind). Awarding the medal to the second place finisher is reasonable because each participant acts independently. You can't apply the same logic to the NFL.

Plus, kids get caught cheating in the little league ws, look at that pitcher for NY who was really 14, but had a fake birth certificate that said he was 12.

If the NFL were policing Ben's race, they would have awarded him the gold and banned him from the next 4 races. If this happened, then it would have incented all runners to take drugs to prepare for the olympics since they could still have won gold (the pinnacle of their sport).

I don't agree with the distinction you make between racing and football. I don't believe it is easy to quantify what Ben taking steroids did to his running time on that day, given all the factors to consider including competitors, weather, fans, etc...

The fact is it doesn't matter, he cheated and he shouldn't have been given a gold medal.

The NE pats cheated and they shouldn't have been awarded the win against the jets.

Again, you're trying to compare a team sport to one that is individual. Olympic events are MUCH easier to police because many events are simply individuals against a clock or individuals against a panel of judges. There are no player-player interactions, no teamwork involved. When Merriman, Harrison or ANYONE in the NFL makes a critical interception in a game it's not only because of that individual. It's because of the coaching staff, his teammates, decisions made by the opponent.

You cannot isolate the impact of one player taking performance enhancing drugs from the rest of his team. If you don't believe me, visit footballoutsiders.com. For the past several seasons they've been trying to figure out the value over replacement for individuals in the NFL, much like what is done in MLB. This is very, very, difficult because of how interdependent players are on one another even when they make a very simple play. It's easier in MLB because almost every event that happens in a game can be isolated and factors can be accounted for (we know who was pitching, the count, the weather, the batter, the runners on, etc). In football, we cannot isolate all these factors.

Changing the win for the Patriots doesn't really make sense in my mind either. They were caught videotaping signals. The tape was taken in the first quarter. Their efforts, however devious, had no impact on the game itself. If the tape had been confiscated in the 4th quarter, it might be a different story, but there was no time for any of this tape to actually be used in the game.

Going back to my original point, though, you cannot assign a numeric value to that information. Just like we can't say that a non-roided player would have had three less tackles and one less interception, we cannot say that a non-videotaping team would have scored x fewer points or allowed y more points. There is no way to know any hypothetical outcomes of the game with any degree of certainty. That's why results should stand, regardless of any misconduct that occurred.

Look at Barry Bonds. People want to asterisks his home run total because they believe he took steroids. NOBODY is saying we should go back in games and retroactively give teams wins based on discounting Barry's home-runs. First, it isn't feasible. We don't know WHO would have been batting in Barry's place. Let's say that removing Barry's home runs from games against the New York Mets would award them, on paper, the NL East crown in 2003. (In this scenario let's remove secondary factors beyond just his ABs). What happens now? The Mets would be in your hypothetical playoffs, but we can't hypothetically play all the games out. What if the Mets were matched up against the eventual World Series champion? Who won the World Series?

These hypotheticals are impossible, dangerous, and shouldn't be entertained.

 

[j00fek]

op must be one of those eagles, bangels, jets, jags or lions fans that are bitching about nothing right now

move on and play on sunday thats it

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Haui
Wow! What a season for the NFL, and we are just now in week 2.

I am lost......in between the cheating scandal with the Pat's, the dog fighting case with Vick, and all the other various felonies and screw-ups......welll........is there any dignity left in the sport?

I love the GAME of football. It is one of the most aggressive, challenging, and athletic sports we have around (besides hockey). However, I personally think the NFL league SUCKS. From the crap trash talk from certain players, to cheating, to the way players and coaches handle themselves, the NFL is setting themselves up for a HUGE fall.

I find it insulting that the NFL thinks the fans want to hear about the "crap" about the NFL rather than talking about the game and what not. I remember back when the intermissions and half time shows were about the GAME and how it was/is played. I promise this Sunday, all we will hear about is the Pat's cheating scandal. Does anyone know who Kevin Everett is? This young man was close to dieing, and within a week shows signs that he may walk again....but this WILL not be a top story, or even close to it. It's a shame!

I'm 24....and im THIS CLOSE to giving up on the NFL and sticking strictly to NHL (the game I love the most).

What are your thoughts? I really want to know how you think "crap NFL" will continue to hold.....

My thoughts, you should find another hobby if this stuff causes you so much consternation. What the Pats did is what other teams do except they used a Video Camera which is verbotten and they paid the adequate price for it. Goodel is no touchy feely Commish and I'm sure he looked at the circumstances and dished out the appropriate punishment.

FYI the worse thing about this incident isn't the violation of the rule or the punishment, it's having to listen to whiny little bitches act all indignant over it, at least in my opinion. I hate idiots like that and there are way too many of them around!

 

[j00fek]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn



FYI the worse thing about this incident isn't the violation of the rule or the punishment, it's having to listen to whiny little bitches act all indignant over it, at least in my opinion. I hate idiots like that and there are way too many of them around!

QFT

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Wow, he finally discovered that the media likes to harp on the bad news, that's like discovering the sky is blue.

If it bleeds, it leads

 

[yowolabi]

It's pretty clear that the OP isn't that much of a football fan to begin with. Thus it didn't take much for him to decide to stop watching. I only care about the extracurricular stuff to the extent that it takes good players off the field. As one poster said, the injuries are a much bigger deal to me. It's ridiculous the number of players that get injured every year. I don't fault players for holding out and demanding money up front.

 

[pontifex]

not just NFL, look at the other sports, particularly baseball.

if I wanted to watch a bunch criminals and druggies play sports, i'd go to the exercise yard at my local prison to watch. :laugh: