New Chicago Handgun Law was approved

[PrinceofWands]

but you wont work together. It would just be nutty pockets of wacko texas with hunting rifles and semi auto assault rifles with 100 round drum mags. Against what? Napalm? Predator drones? Fucking tanks? come on man. Get real.

1. The government cannot deploy ordinance on American soil. To do so would galvanize the majority of Americans as well as other nations against the government.

2. Those hunting rifles can drop specific targets of opportunity from 300-500 yards with regularity. Compare the loss of a Governor, Senator, or General to that of 'just another revolutionary'.

3. It's very easy to make seriously destructive devices from household chemicals and items. Thermite, chlorine gas, ieds, etc. It's not like citizens are stuck with only pistols and rifles. We would also gain access to military equipment by concentrated attacks against softened military targets, such as supply shipments, thus equalizing the odds.

4. The costs of trying to conduct extended military operations here while dealing with MASSIVE disruptions to the production and business of the United States would bankrupt the nation in a few short months. This is hastened through the careful destruction of imperative commerce infrastructure. Citizen revolutionaries can continue to function on hunting and gathering. The government cannot.

 

[JSt0rm]

Laugh it up, chuckles. I'm just saying that's how it works. Do you see a lot of bank robberies that involve drilling into the vault or do people just point a gun at the teller and say give me your money? Same principle.

thats how it works huh?

so who is going to lead this nationwide assault on the government and how will they communicate?

 

[JSt0rm]

1. The government cannot deploy ordinance on American soil. To do so would galvanize the majority of Americans as well as other nations against the government.

2. Those hunting rifles can drop specific targets of opportunity from 300-500 yards with regularity. Compare the loss of a Governor, Senator, or General to that of 'just another revolutionary'.

3. It's very easy to make seriously destructive devices from household chemicals and items. Thermite, chlorine gas, ieds, etc. It's not like citizens are stuck with only pistols and rifles. We would also gain access to military equipment by concentrated attacks against softened military targets, such as supply shipments, thus equalizing the odds.

4. The costs of trying to conduct extended military operations here while dealing with MASSIVE disruptions to the production and business of the United States would bankrupt the nation in a few short months. This is hastened through the careful destruction of imperative commerce infrastructure. Citizen revolutionaries can continue to function on hunting and gathering. The government cannot.

you have been reported. :sneaky:

 

[PrinceofWands]

thats how it works huh?

so who is going to lead this nationwide assault on the government

Whoever steps up.

and how will they communicate?

Shortwave, ham, courier, internet, cb, revolutionary periodicals, etc. Same way every insurgency communicates.

 

[PrinceofWands]

you have been reported. :sneaky:

Heh, the fed trained me, and the state has licensed me (or my equipment) in various areas. They already know full well what my capabilities are. They also know what groups I belong to, and that those groups contain many others equally or better trained in the same relevant areas. Finally they know that they have nothing to fear if they don't push us too far.

 

[JSt0rm]

Whoever steps up.



Shortwave, ham, courier, internet, cb, revolutionary periodicals, etc. Same way every insurgency communicates.

what happens when 250 million dont care to revolt because of health care overhaul?

 

[PrinceofWands]

what happens when 250 million dont care to revolt because of health care overhaul?

1. The health care overhaul is going to have no positives (at least in the short run). It's not going to placate anyone...in fact, it's going to get them riled up.

2. Revolutions generally only have 10% or less participation, and 40% or less popular agreement. Even 2% participation would be more fighting men and women than there are military members (active & reserve), law enforcement, and government officials combined...and that's not taking into account how many of those would side with the revolution, or at least not actively oppose it.

 

[JSt0rm]

1. The health care overhaul is going to have no positives (at least in the short run). It's not going to placate anyone...in fact, it's going to get them riled up.

2. Revolutions generally only have 10% or less participation, and 40% or less popular agreement. Even 2% participation would be more fighting men and women than there are military members (active & reserve), law enforcement, and government officials combined...and that's not taking into account how many of those would side with the revolution, or at least not actively oppose it.

so like 10 million tea baggers with hunting rifles. Will they go into Compton and Oakland?

 

[PrinceofWands]

so like 10 million tea baggers with hunting rifles. Will they go into Compton and Oakland?

Sry, no clue what you're asking or why.

 

[JSt0rm]

will they go into the inner cities? Most white people are afraid of the innercities because of black people. Or will they feel emboldened by their hunting rifles.

 

[PrinceofWands]

will they go into the inner cities? Most white people are afraid of the innercities because of black people. Or will they feel emboldened by their hunting rifles.

What are you, some kind of re'tard or something???

 

[werepossum]

so like 10 million tea baggers with hunting rifles. Will they go into Compton and Oakland?

His point wasn't that there is an imminent revolution, but rather that armed citizens can effectively defend themselves from the government if things become really bad. Disarmed citizens generally cannot.

 

[JSt0rm]

What are you, some kind of re'tard or something???

How would your revolution deal with the people who live in cities? I live in Los Angeles. You aint getting anywhere on foot around here.

 

[JSt0rm]

His point wasn't that there is an imminent revolution, but rather that armed citizens can effectively defend themselves from the government if things become really bad. Disarmed citizens generally cannot.

but dont they vote? How bad can things get? If they are so pissed to kill and be killed wont they before that point be so pissed to go vote?

revolution with guns is soooo 18th centruy.

 

[bfdd]

How would your revolution deal with the people who live in cities? I live in Los Angeles. You aint getting anywhere on foot around here.

Why would revolutionaries target the poor? What do they hope to accomplish by doing so? You're just talking out your ass now. They would attack government infrastructure.

 

[PrinceofWands]

How would your revolution deal with the people who live in cities? I live in Los Angeles. You aint getting anywhere on foot around here.

Wait, you're actually serious???

Ok.

1. Your statement that 'white people' are afraid of either inner cities or black people is ignorant, stereotypical, and ridiculous.

2. Your assumption that revolutionaries will be 'teabaggers' rather than people with brains as well as patriotism is offensive and misguided.

3. Last time I checked it wasn't Compton or Oakland that was enforcing abusive government policies, or guarding vital infrastructure or military assets. I see no reason why anyone on either side would feel a need to go there...especially since they've demonstrated a proclivity towards civil unrest whenever the opportunity presented itself.

4. If for any reason there was to be an operation in an inner city, it would be by armed and trained persons acting as a unit. In what way do you think random thugs or mobs from the poorest, least armed (at least legally), and least educated sectors of the country would have ANY chance to interfere in what happened? Also what does being on foot have to do with anything??

Seriously, your statement is about the single dumbest, and least relevant thing I have ever read on the internet.

 

[JSt0rm]

Wait, you're actually serious???

Ok.

1. Your statement that 'white people' are afraid of either inner cities or black people is ignorant, stereotypical, and ridiculous.

2. Your assumption that revolutionaries will be 'teabaggers' rather than people with brains as well as patriotism is offensive and misguided.

3. Last time I checked it wasn't Compton or Oakland that was enforcing abusive government policies, or guarding vital infrastructure or military assets. I see no reason why anyone on either side would feel a need to go there...especially since they've demonstrated a proclivity towards civil unrest whenever the opportunity presented itself.

4. If for any reason there was to be an operation in an inner city, it would be by armed and trained persons acting as a unit. In what way do you think random thugs or mobs from the poorest, least armed (at least legally), and least educated sectors of the country would have ANY chance to interfere in what happened? Also what does being on foot have to do with anything??

Seriously, your statement is about the single dumbest thing I have ever read on the internet.

with insults like that you aren't going to be picked as dear leader. We need someone with pizazz and charm. sorry.

I can also think of many things dumber then my questioning if the revolution will go into the innercity like say... people who think they will have a revolution in the first place.

You see because for as much as you want to hide out in the forest and clean guns and shoot deer I want to sit at a pub in Beverly hills and drink nice beer from Belgium and soak up the LA sun. There is no place in our modern world for nutters trying to change shit with guns

 

[werepossum]

but dont they vote? How bad can things get? If they are so pissed to kill and be killed wont they before that point be so pissed to go vote?

revolution with guns is soooo 18th centruy.

And hopefully things will never again get so bad that we see revolution with guns, but it's a very important right. Without guns we have no way to enforce our right to vote, or to see that the results of our votes are honestly reported and acted upon.

 

[JSt0rm]

And hopefully things will never again get so bad that we see revolution with guns, but it's a very important right. Without guns we have no way to enforce our right to vote, or to see that the results of our votes are honestly reported and acted upon.

Only paranoid people think their right to vote will be taken away at some point in the future. You should be more worried about each generation getting dumber and dumber to the point they just vote for what they are told. Will the revolution shoot the people who are "dumb" and didnt vote the right way?

 

[PrinceofWands]

with insults like that you aren't going to be picked as dear leader. We need someone with pizazz and charm. sorry.

I can also think of many things dumber then my questioning if the revolution will go into the innercity like say... people who think they will have a revolution in the first place.

You see because for as much as you want to hide out in the forest and clean guns and shoot deer I want to sit at a pub in Beverly hills and drink nice beer from Belgium and soak up the LA sun. There is no place in our modern world for nutters trying to change shit with guns

Sorry, you're describing the wrong person. I'm a mostly liberal academic myself.

Just because you're so self-absorbed you can't be bothered to make a stand doesn't mean others won't.

I'll let founders, the government, all the active revolutionaries in the world, law enforcement, and all the others with guns know that you've gone ahead and declared them all moot with your vast knowledge of everything and all.

More importantly, none of that has anything to do with your original statement about the impossibility of armed revolution, which I've fully refuted now.

 

[bfdd]

with insults like that you aren't going to be picked as dear leader. We need someone with pizazz and charm. sorry.

I can also think of many things dumber then my questioning if the revolution will go into the innercity like say... people who think they will have a revolution in the first place.

You see because for as much as you want to hide out in the forest and clean guns and shoot deer I want to sit at a pub in Beverly hills and drink nice beer from Belgium and soak up the LA sun. There is no place in our modern world for nutters trying to change shit with guns

Nice holier than thou attitude. It's good to see you're one of those types of Californians. The shit kind I have to deal with everyday. Huge reason I don't like to go north of the South Bay.

 

[JSt0rm]

Nice holier than thou attitude. It's good to see you're one of those types of Californians. The shit kind I have to deal with everyday. Huge reason I don't like to go north of the South Bay.

I'm an atheist. ()

 

[JSt0rm]

Just because you're so self-absorbed you can't be bothered to make a stand doesn't mean others won't.

A stand against what? unions? Single payer health care? ohh the horrors.

 

[PrinceofWands]

A stand against what? unions? Single payer health care? ohh the horrors.

If I were against those things in any significant way I'd already be in revolution, wouldn't I?

But I'm STRONGLY pro-union and STRONGLY for single payer health care. There's nothing right now that requires revolution - hence we're not having one. That doesn't change the necessity to be prepared for one should it become necessary however.

 

[JSt0rm]

If I were against those things in any significant way I'd already be in revolution, wouldn't I?

But I'm STRONGLY pro-union and STRONGLY for single payer health care. There's nothing right now that requires revolution - hence we're not having one. That doesn't change the necessity to be prepared for one should it become necessary however.

Ok in your mind there isn't but there will always be a reason in someones mind to go to violence. The point of a democracy is to hash that out with words and popularity not picking up a gun because you don't like present policy.