New Chicago Handgun Law was approved

[Moonbeam]

nick: Here are some more for ya Moonie

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

-Thomas Jefferson

Could you please get real. In 2001 and one the Supreme Coup overthrew the will of Florida voters by not demanding the recount every legal Florida ballot. Instead they gave the Presidency to their man Bush when in fact Gore won the election. You gun fucks would have been out there shooting the folk trying to preserve the right of the vote if there had been any armed protest. Who the God Damn hell do you think you are kidding. You folk are so far up the establishment's ass you are the establishment. Your worthless guns are to protect you from your consciences that haunt you in dreams.


"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764. That was 230 years ago.

-Thomas Jefferson


The constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom of the press."


--- Thomas Jefferson[/QUOTE]

We become what we fear. Moonbeam.

The monsters themselves have become the guardians of freedom.

Give a gun to a man who fears you will take his freedom and he will make sure you have none.

 

[bfdd]

Moonbeam did you seriously just bring up the recount? Holy fucking shit.

 

[nick1985]

Moonbeam did you seriously just bring up the recount? Holy fucking shit.

He used to be a fairly normal poster. Always a little out there, but still in the realm of being a normal functioning person. Nowadays he has completely fucking lost it. I'm genuinely curious to know what happened to the guy.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam did you seriously just bring up the recount? Holy fucking shit.

Don't pretend you know the facts about it. You don't.

 

[bfdd]

Don't pretend you know the facts about it. You don't.

Yeah that's what I've been saying about a lot of things on here you're totally dead set on "knowing" you're right. Here's what I remember, a bunch of people made a big stink about this ballot being poorly designed and that "hanging chads" should be counted. It was completely idiotic and a waste of our time and tax dollars. All it really proved was the citizens of Florida should not be allowed to vote in presidential elections. I also remember reading quite a few articles that came out AFTER Bush had been announced the winner that there had been some privately ran recounts that had him winning, some even by a bigger margin than before.

 

[Moonbeam]

He used to be a fairly normal poster. Always a little out there, but still in the realm of being a normal functioning person. Nowadays he has completely fucking lost it. I'm genuinely curious to know what happened to the guy.

What happened to me? How about you? I said already I don't care about guns. I don't have a dog in this race. I don't want to take guns from responsible folk but want to interfere with those who live in areas where they want regulation. It's not religion with me. Ban guns where guns are killing ordinary citizens and those same folk want the authorities to deal with it. Don't ban them where they serve as protection. You just can't seem to let go of the fact I don't practice your religion. I don't give a shit about guns. I am psychologically healthy. I could die at any moment from some mad man attack, armed or not. I'm not going to waste one second of my already too short life worrying about my right to carry and protect myself from some phantom fear I may or may not face.

You can play with your dick and your guns all you want. I don't even fucking remember where I put my ammo the last time I played cowboy in my head and messaged my cold hard tool. You gun nuts to me are just a bunch of reverse cowards, all concerned about defending the honor of some queen because you feel impotent and afraid of coming up short. We who hate ourselves have gotten way way past that. I keep worrying about that black hole that's approaching at a million million miles an hour and my ten trillion year scream.

 

[bfdd]

Moonbeam you sure do seem to spend a lot of time worrying about your right to carry and protect yourself. Why else would you be in here making long winded rants that are totally uninformed and full of nothing but flawed opinion. What's with this hating yourself shit? It's much better to not hate yourself.

 

[nick1985]

We who hate ourselves

Oh great...now hes going on about his self hate bullshit he spews.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah that's what I've been saying about a lot of things on here you're totally dead set on "knowing" you're right. Here's what I remember, a bunch of people made a big stink about this ballot being poorly designed and that "hanging chads" should be counted. It was completely idiotic and a waste of our time and tax dollars. All it really proved was the citizens of Florida should not be allowed to vote in presidential elections. I also remember reading quite a few articles that came out AFTER Bush had been announced the winner that there had been some privately ran recounts that had him winning, some even by a bigger margin than before.

What happened in the final analysis of the total recount of the entire state is that for all ballots deemed legal by Florida law in all of the counties, not a partial recount, mind you, Gore got the most legal votes. In short, Gore had the most legal votes in the state of Florida in total. Those are the votes that should have been recounted. Those are the votes that matter, the complete and final total of the legally acceptable ballots of the complete and total state.

 

[ModestGamer]

He used to be a fairly normal poster. Always a little out there, but still in the realm of being a normal functioning person. Nowadays he has completely fucking lost it. I'm genuinely curious to know what happened to the guy.

I like him already becuase "the fucking normal people" are a big bag of sub 90 Iq having idiots who shoot be euthanized for the good of the people who can actually propogate the species in a forward direction.

 

[bfdd]

What happened in the final analysis of the total recount of the entire state is that for all ballots deemed legal by Florida law in all of the counties, not a partial recount, mind you, Gore got the most legal votes. In short, Gore had the most legal votes in the state of Florida in total. Those are the votes that should have been recounted. Those are the votes that matter, the complete and final total of the legally acceptable ballots of the complete and total state.

It didn't happen and http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2001-04-03-floridamain.htm

so I guess you're wrong?

 

[nobodyknows]

Hohenlohe, thanks. Let me assure you then, that when you read language that is 200 years old you haven't the faintest idea what you are reading. What has happened in 200 hundred years is that gun nuts and gun religion have sought to pervert the meaning of words. The founding fathers, never fools to give too much freedom to the lower masses, would turn over in their graves at all the deaths the distortion of their language has created. The most assuredly meant that only an organized military, under civilian authority should ever have guns. The idea that some hop head on crack can go down and buy gun to kill people for drugs would have been an anathema.

So they must have shoot their food with bows/arrows and when the Indians attacked them or somebody jumped their claim they just got on their cell phones and called for help?

What we need to do is make people who actually commit crimes with guns accountable. Nobody has the guts, they would much rather pass some laws that take make guns harder to get. Of course now that crack head will rob you with a knive instead of a gun but somehow you think we will be safer??

Sorry, but I want more control over my own defense/safety. The big cities need to get tough on the criminals, not on the law-abiding gun owners.

 

[ShawnD1]

What we need to do is make people who actually commit crimes with guns accountable. Nobody has the guts, they would much rather pass some laws that take make guns harder to get. Of course now that crack head will rob you with a knive instead of a gun but somehow you think we will be safer??

knife culture in britain
lol British people are such idiots. How did they fuck this up so bad?

 

[cubby1223]

Moonbeam has either (1) completely lost his grip on reality, or more likely (2) is just trolling for heated responses. I don't know why any of you bother to respond to him anymore.


There is a problem of gun violence in Chicago perpetrated by criminals who have illegally obtained guns - which by the way, has been *growing* ever since the gun ban was enacted years ago...

The government of Chicago has decided that the best way to deal with crime involving illegally obtained guns, is to carve up the rights of honest lawful citizens in a way that does nothing to stop the criminals. In fact, all it does is *aid* the criminals in their activities.

 

[xj0hnx]

Moonbeam has either (1) completely lost his grip on reality, or more likely (2) is just trolling for heated responses. I don't know why any of you bother to respond to him anymore.


There is a problem of gun violence in Chicago perpetrated by criminals who have illegally obtained guns - which by the way, has been *growing* ever since the gun ban was enacted years ago...

The government of Chicago has decided that the best way to deal with crime involving illegally obtained guns, is to carve up the rights of honest lawful citizens in a way that does nothing to stop the criminals. In fact, all it does is *aid* the criminals in their activities.

The loony left will never be able to acknowledge this because it is easier to blame an inanimate object than hold people responsible.

 

[OutHouse]

What happened in the final analysis of the total recount of the entire state is that for all ballots deemed legal by Florida law in all of the counties, not a partial recount, mind you, Gore got the most legal votes. In short, Gore had the most legal votes in the state of Florida in total. Those are the votes that should have been recounted. Those are the votes that matter, the complete and final total of the legally acceptable ballots of the complete and total state.

my god dude. get over it gore lost period and every recount after the fact fucking proves it.

http://www.florida2000election.com/sections/11.asp?p=11

Excerpt from CNN article regarding the NORC Study - link

"If that recount had proceeded under the standard that most local election officials said they would have used, the study found that Bush would have emerged with 493 more votes than Gore."

 

[OutHouse]

Moonbeam has either (1) completely lost his grip on reality, or more likely (2) is just trolling for heated responses. I don't know why any of you bother to respond to him anymore.


There is a problem of gun violence in Chicago perpetrated by criminals who have illegally obtained guns - which by the way, has been *growing* ever since the gun ban was enacted years ago...

The government of Chicago has decided that the best way to deal with crime involving illegally obtained guns, is to carve up the rights of honest lawful citizens in a way that does nothing to stop the criminals. In fact, all it does is *aid* the criminals in their activities.

yup. its amazing how simple thing turn into a ball of twine.

 

[JSt0rm]

hey nick do you think you could defend yourself against the tyranny of the government if it actually came to that? Keep your guns, I dont really care but that argument is delusional.

 

[bfdd]

hey nick do you think you could defend yourself against the tyranny of the government if it actually came to that? Keep your guns, I dont really care but that argument is delusional.

There's 80 million Americans(who own a firearm)with around 250 million legally owned firearms. Add in the Americans who illegally own firearms and all the illegal firearms in the nation, factor in the large majority of troops who would refuse to stand ground against their fellow Americans and there's more than enough man power and fire power to overthrow the US Government.

this is assuming we worked together.

 

[JSt0rm]

this is assuming we worked together.

but you wont work together. It would just be nutty pockets of wacko texas with hunting rifles and semi auto assault rifles with 100 round drum mags. Against what? Napalm? Predator drones? Fucking tanks? come on man. Get real.

 

[BoberFett]

That argument is so stale you could make croutons from it.

Guerrilla tactics don't involve standing in front of an Abrams tank with your little hunting rifle. That's just a quick way to die. Guerrilla tactics mean doing things like destroying the supply lines. What good is a tank if you've killed the people who work in the munitions plants? Go after soft targets. Only a fool would argue that government can't be overthrown just because the government has tanks and jet fighters.

 

[JSt0rm]

Guerrilla tactics mean doing things like destroying the supply lines. What good is a tank if you've killed the people who work in the munitions plants? Go after soft targets.

good luck with that

 

[nick1985]

semi auto assault rifles

Thanks for the laugh

 

[BoberFett]

good luck with that

Laugh it up, chuckles. I'm just saying that's how it works. Do you see a lot of bank robberies that involve drilling into the vault or do people just point a gun at the teller and say give me your money? Same principle.

 

[bfdd]

but you wont work together. It would just be nutty pockets of wacko texas with hunting rifles and semi auto assault rifles with 100 round drum mags. Against what? Napalm? Predator drones? Fucking tanks? come on man. Get real.

If it came to the point of a revolution I highly doubt you'll get a lot of servicemen fighting on the side of the gubment against civilians. I do agree with the not working together part though. Just because there's a lot of people that have gun ownership in common, doesn't mean they share the same point of view on anything else. Not every gun owner is some crazy whack job "republican"