New Chicago Handgun Law was approved

[classy]

Classy - honest question.

Have ever handled, fired, or owned a firearm? Have you ever been in a situation where you wished you had one?

I have buried an 11 year old relative, because two adults got to arguing and one got his gun and the thing went off.

I have buried one friend, close friend who got into an argument with gentlemen at a store. The guy went home got a 12 guage pump and shot him in the face. Closed casket.

Yea when you go to the range and those rifles and pumps are sounding off its sweet. It ain't so funny when you are in a party and a guy walks in and he unleashes that black saw off double barrel.

When you go down to visit your cousin who has been shot with a 22 handgun, lol, 3 times. Of course he lived, thank goodness it was just a 22.

You know what annoys me, most of don't know shit. Most of you have never seen a person bleeding out. So of the tough guy comments are such a joke. There is a reason why even police officers need counseling most of the time when they kill someone for the first time. See the bs I read here is like its some joke, or its cool, like this some kind of anime cartoon. People don't get from gunshots. You're right guns may not be the problem, but the people getting them and using them are.

Just a couple of years ago I am at work. A woman starts screaming and crying. Her nephew beat a guy out for a parking spot, the guy pulled a gun and shot him. He had a legal right to carry. I've seen the damage and buried the bodies. I am not against guns, I'm just against giving them to every tom, dick, and harry.

I don't care for Amused at all. But he is one who has never ever posted about guns like they are some kind of toy. He posts like he has some sense. Most of the rest of yall post like this is a movie and you are just going to shoot people. A lost life is a lost life. One of my close friends is a State Trooper, I always tell him you come home safe, answer the questions later. But what I read here constantly is a total lack of respect for life. Its pathetic...........blowing away someone aint as cool as it seems. When you bury a close friend and you can't see his face for the last time let me know.

 

[classy]

I am out, peace

 

[JD50]

I am out, peace

White flag, zomg I win do I get a belt, blah blah.

 

[spidey07]

Classy, you're blaming the tool and not the person.

 

[nick1985]

Classy, for the 7th time now, why have you not addressed my rebuttal to your claims about Canadian crime?

 

[nick1985]

blah blah blah

Hey did you know gun bans always lead to an increase in violent crime?

 

[BoberFett]

Sounds like classy is related to and friends with a lot of criminal types.

 

[glenn1]

chicago has had ~60 gang murders in the last 30 days. Gun laws dont stop criminals. DC another great example, no guns, yet was the murder capitol of the us for a few years.....and is always in the top 10 if not the top 5

60 sounds like a good start.

 

[palehorse]

What effect does any law have. Why make any since as soon as you make a law and somebody breaks it you create a criminal. The point is that the people who live in areas of gun violence vote for folk who will restrict guns and along comes the NRA and religious gun wackos packing 5 out of 9 and take their democracy from them. Laws are made to define what kind of society we have and people being shot at want their society gun free. What can anybody do to eliminate guns. The law is the logical first step.

Because you absolutists demand total freedom to own guns you temp folk to revolution, that when any government becomes destructive of the right to pursue life liberty and happiness it is the right of the people to institute new government as to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness.

So states and cities should be allowed to pass laws that the SCOTUS has deemed unconstitutional, simply because their residents disagree with said decision? Is that what you're proposing?

Interesting philosophy...

 

[palehorse]

Classy, This was your original assertion:

"a gun in the home 70% of the time or better will injure or kill a non criminal. Thats a fact."
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Nothing in your many posts since has supported that initial statement. And, every time I have challenged you to produce statistics and research to back it up, you have resorted to posting completely erroneous stats that have no direct relationship with the original assertion.

So, for the last time, can you please back up your original assertion with some facts?

/crickets

 

[coreyb]

Classy, for the 7th time now, why have you not addressed my rebuttal to your claims about Canadian crime?

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/85-002-x2001011-eng.pdf

In Canada, there were 542 homicides in 2000 resulting in a national rate of 1.8 homicides per 100,000 population. By comparison, there were 15,517 homicides in the U.S., resulting in a rate (5.5) three times higher than Canada’s.

Similarly, the aggravated assault rate in the U.S. was more than double the Canadian rate in 2000. The U.S. also showed a higher rate of robbery (65% higher) than Canada. About 41% of robberies in the U.S. involved a firearm, compared to 16% in Canada.

I don't know where you're getting your information but the crime rate is far higher in the US.

 

[Patranus]

They should be held in contempt of court or something.

 

[Patranus]

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/85-002-x2001011-eng.pdf

In Canada, there were 542 homicides in 2000 resulting in a national rate of 1.8 homicides per 100,000 population. By comparison, there were 15,517 homicides in the U.S., resulting in a rate (5.5) three times higher than Canada’s.

Similarly, the aggravated assault rate in the U.S. was more than double the Canadian rate in 2000. The U.S. also showed a higher rate of robbery (65% higher) than Canada. About 41% of robberies in the U.S. involved a firearm, compared to 16% in Canada.

I don't know where you're getting your information but the crime rate is far higher in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada

 

[coreyb]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada

was there something I was supposed to see in that wikipedia page?

 

[Moonbeam]

So states and cities should be allowed to pass laws that the SCOTUS has deemed unconstitutional, simply because their residents disagree with said decision? Is that what you're proposing?

Interesting philosophy...

What are you a robot? I mentioned earlier that the decision was 5 to 4 on a strictly religious basis, a religion of political ideology. A majority of one asshole of a nation of 300 million went one way on a vote when some other asshole, had he been on the court, would have swung it the other way. What kind of sacred deference does such a ruling inspire. It will be overturned one day, in all likelihood, as the moronic culture of the South fades away and folk in the cities take over.

There is nothing fundamental about owning a gun any more than a bow and arrow or a spear of a hand ax. The right to self defense is natural, but self defense isn't owning a gun. Felons can't own guns, so it isn't a right that is fundamental. But every felon has the right to self defense. You religious wankers just don't think too good, your heads have been in dark places too long.

 

[bfdd]

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/85-002-x2001011-eng.pdf

In Canada, there were 542 homicides in 2000 resulting in a national rate of 1.8 homicides per 100,000 population. By comparison, there were 15,517 homicides in the U.S., resulting in a rate (5.5) three times higher than Canada’s.

Similarly, the aggravated assault rate in the U.S. was more than double the Canadian rate in 2000. The U.S. also showed a higher rate of robbery (65% higher) than Canada. About 41% of robberies in the U.S. involved a firearm, compared to 16% in Canada.

I don't know where you're getting your information but the crime rate is far higher in the US.

I believe estimations of gun ownership in the USA is 80 million gun owners, around 26% of our population. Canada I believe it's like 2.5 to 3 million gun owners, 7-8% of their population.

not really making trying to make a point or anything just throwing out those numbers.

 

[PeshakJang]

What are you a robot? I mentioned earlier that the decision was 5 to 4 on a strictly religious basis, a religion of political ideology. A majority of one asshole of a nation of 300 million went one way on a vote when some other asshole, had he been on the court, would have swung it the other way. What kind of sacred deference does such a ruling inspire. It will be overturned one day, in all likelihood, as the moronic culture of the South fades away and folk in the cities take over.

There is nothing fundamental about owning a gun any more than a bow and arrow or a spear of a hand ax. The right to self defense is natural, but self defense isn't owning a gun. Felons can't own guns, so it isn't a right that is fundamental. But every felon has the right to self defense. You religious wankers just don't think too good, your heads have been in dark places too long.

Hush little Moonbeam, don't you pout... The mayor's gonna keep the bad guys out...

You can sleep little child

 

[MotF Bane]

What are you a robot? I mentioned earlier that the decision was 5 to 4 on a strictly religious basis, a religion of political ideology. A majority of one asshole of a nation of 300 million went one way on a vote when some other asshole, had he been on the court, would have swung it the other way. What kind of sacred deference does such a ruling inspire. It will be overturned one day, in all likelihood, as the moronic culture of the South fades away and folk in the cities take over.

There is nothing fundamental about owning a gun any more than a bow and arrow or a spear of a hand ax. The right to self defense is natural, but self defense isn't owning a gun. Felons can't own guns, so it isn't a right that is fundamental. But every felon has the right to self defense. You religious wankers just don't think too good, your heads have been in dark places too long.

The right to self defense is natural, but you want to create a limited list? Self defense has always been the weapons one can keep, and the firearm is the current weapon. As for a fundamental right, may I point you to the Bill of Rights? Reading is your friend, self-hatred keeps you down.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

From the Kos no less!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/7/4/881431/-Why-liberals-should-love-the-Second-Amendment

 

[BoberFett]

From the Kos no less!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/7/4/881431/-Why-liberals-should-love-the-Second-Amendment

Good article.

 

[nobodyknows]

What are you a robot? I mentioned earlier that the decision was 5 to 4 on a strictly religious basis, a religion of political ideology. A majority of one asshole of a nation of 300 million went one way on a vote when some other asshole, had he been on the court, would have swung it the other way. What kind of sacred deference does such a ruling inspire. It will be overturned one day, in all likelihood, as the moronic culture of the South fades away and folk in the cities take over.

There is nothing fundamental about owning a gun any more than a bow and arrow or a spear of a hand ax. The right to self defense is natural, but self defense isn't owning a gun. Felons can't own guns, so it isn't a right that is fundamental. But every felon has the right to self defense. You religious wankers just don't think too good, your heads have been in dark places too long.

I guess you expect 80 year old people to chase off those 18 year old punks mugging them with their cane.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I guess it's OK to shred the constitution when it suits YOUR purpose. Rove, GWB, and Alberto Gonzales would be proud of you.

Religious wankers indeed. Your the one with the holier-then-thou attitude.

 

[xj0hnx]

I have buried an 11 year old relative, because two adults got to arguing and one got his gun and the thing went off.

I have buried one friend, close friend who got into an argument with gentlemen at a store. The guy went home got a 12 guage pump and shot him in the face. Closed casket.

Your appeal to emotion is another failed tactic of anti-gunners. I have been shot twice, and shot at a number of times, I have also used my gun to defend my home, as well as having family members that have been the victim of home invasion and removed the intruders with 00 buck. I have also buried three friends that overdosed on heroin, but remain vehemently anti-drugwar, and pro legalization.

 

[nick1985]

Sounds like classy's friends/family are pretty sketchy if they are getting shot all the time.

 

[Moonbeam]

nobodyknows: I guess you expect 80 year old people to chase off those 18 year old punks mugging them with their cane.

M: The number of muggings committed by 18 year olds with canes is zero as far as I can tell.

n: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

M: Anybody with any linguistic ability reads well organized militia there, not personal ownership. Of course I do keep toy soldiers with MY guns, just for that reason. And they are all laid out in formation.

n: I guess it's OK to shred the constitution when it suits YOUR purpose. Rove, GWB, and Alberto Gonzales would be proud of you.

M: I don't live in a gun violence area. I don't need to be protected from psychopaths with guns like some city folk do. All us libs here in California attack each other with flowers. I want folk in gun violence areas to be able to use state force to stop the epidemic of gun violence. Instant capital punishment of caught with a gun ought to do the trick in say twenty to forty years. Then the law can expire with a sunset clause.

n: Religious wankers indeed. Your the one with the holier-then-thou attitude.

M: Hehe, I am sure you rural backward folk in your bunkers feel as holy as can be every time you read some additional mofos in some inner city were gunned down on the way to school.

Get clear on this. I do not, have not, and never will favor the taking of guns on a universal level, only that such a tool be permitted where the people will vote for it because in their judgment it will increase their safety and happiness. Do you like living in a totalitarian state? It's all about numbers. Do you want to live in a city that says Joe is free to buy a gun and there is a 70% chance he is going to shoot your kid. Nope, you are going to start shooting at anything that supports such a state. It's not what I recommend or would want to happen. It's what will happen and does.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sounds like classy's friends/family are pretty sketchy if they are getting shot all the time.

Exactly. All people who live in gun violence areas are worthless and should never be allowed to bear arms. Give Classy a gun and he'll turn around and shoot you right in the ass.

He will probably run into the same problem my cousin in Russia did when he went to shoot Brezhnev because of the lines to buy bread. He was back in a few hours and my niece asked if he had had any success. Niet, he said. There was a line.