New Black Panther leader of Houston chapter: Democrats exploiting blacks

[Texashiker]

Yet:

Gotta help those minorities by opposing the civil rights act, lol.

Do you even know what LBJ said about the civil rights act?

 

[agent00f]

Oh yes, I can see where the draw is for blacks to a party which implemented such great triumphs in rights as Japanese internment and the Tuskegee syphilis experiments. And whose current nominee called blacks "super predators who need to be brought to heel." And live in and run the most segregated cities in America (Milwaukee, NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland) and engage in white flight at the first signs of minorities moving in. Democrats sure love them blacks, just will move their ass away from them in a heartbeat.

https://psmag.com/ghosts-of-white-p...om-an-asian-ethnoburb-b550ba986cdb#.527bhbxeu

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/ny-schools-are-the-most-racially-segregated.html


Call me "somewhat racist" all you want. Simple truth is that people are going to vote for what they perceive to be their self-interest. For blacks that decision seems to be firmly for Democrats even though IMHO they've gotten precious little in exchange. Expecting the GOP to change their platform to cater to the desires of 12% of the population makes no more sense than Democrats to change their message to cater to the top 12% richest people instead of Bernie Sanders and company demonizing them.

I guess when you highlight how undeserved the D's are of the black vote, it really puts into perspective just how awful the GOP has to be such that so few blacks (and minorities in general) go for them.

Trump is going to get historically low minority votes, and that might even include the civil rights era and/or a minority president. While you're left pondering this mystery, maybe consider that others here are right about this one.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't care if blacks vote GOP and would advise them against it if their political views are incompatible with the GOP platform. If you want welfare and the other trappings of Democrats you should vote for it. There's no shame in that if that's what you want, I'll just be on the opposite side of the proposition from you.

So, more trickle down, right? And if that fails to serve the vast majority of Americans well at all, then FUGM, cuz Freedom.

 

[agent00f]

Do you even know what LBJ said about the civil rights act?

It doesn't matter what he said. The civil rights act drew a line in the sand with pro and anti-segrationist types on each respective side and corresponding party divide. Race division was so entrenched in this country that such a move completely reshaped american politics in a way that pretty much nothing else could.

 

[ivwshane]

One more thing, unrelated to my previous posts. I feel the need to get needlessly picky here...

It is called the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party. A member of the Democratic Party is called a Democrat. Many of you know better.

I'm not going to lie, I actually didn't know that. I've heard Republicans use that term since before I became politically active and just assumed that that was what demd were actually called.

 

[ivwshane]

I fucking hate liars.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...llary-clinton-call-african-american-youth-su/

The "superpredator" remark, which Priebus and Trump referenced, was in the same speech a few lines later.

"But we also have to have an organized effort against gangs," Hillary Clinton said in a C-SPAN video clip. "Just as in a previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these people on. They are often connected to big drug cartels, they are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called superpredators — no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first, we have to bring them to heel."

The full context of this incident does link children and superpredators, but nowhere in the speech does she directly label African-American youth this way.

And you are a fucking liar!

Oh yes, I can see where the draw is for blacks to a party which implemented such great triumphs in rights as Japanese internment and the Tuskegee syphilis experiments. And whose current nominee called blacks "super predators who need to be brought to heel." And live in and run the most segregated cities in America (Milwaukee, NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland) and engage in white flight at the first signs of minorities moving in. Democrats sure love them blacks, just will move their ass away from them in a heartbeat.

https://psmag.com/ghosts-of-white-p...om-an-asian-ethnoburb-b550ba986cdb#.527bhbxeu

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/ny-schools-are-the-most-racially-segregated.html


Call me "somewhat racist" all you want. Simple truth is that people are going to vote for what they perceive to be their self-interest. For blacks that decision seems to be firmly for Democrats even though IMHO they've gotten precious little in exchange. Expecting the GOP to change their platform to cater to the desires of 12% of the population makes no more sense than Democrats to change their message to cater to the top 12% richest people instead of Bernie Sanders and company demonizing them.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't care if blacks vote GOP and would advise them against it if their political views are incompatible with the GOP platform. If you want welfare and the other trappings of Democrats you should vote for it. There's no shame in that if that's what you want, I'll just be on the opposite side of the proposition from you.

So, FUGM & Bootstraps, right?

 

[glenn1]

So, FUGM & Bootstraps, right?

The bootstraps ain't gonna pull themselves which is what most Democrats want. As Wayne Gretzky said "you miss 100% of the shots you don't make" and if you're going to do things like not study, drop out of school, do drugs, etc. then you're going to stay in poverty and honestly no one should have much sympathy for you.

 

[Jhhnn]

The bootstraps ain't gonna pull themselves which is what most Democrats want. As Wayne Gretzky said "you miss 100% of the shots you don't make" and if you're going to do things like not study, drop out of school, do drugs, etc. then you're going to stay in poverty and honestly no one should have much sympathy for you.

And what about the rest of poor people & black people in America?

Just categorize them all as losers & be done with it, obviously.

 

[glenn1]

And what about the rest of poor people & black people in America?

Just categorize them all as losers & be done with it, obviously.

Is that what this is about? You need your participation trophy and to be told you're a winner?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

And what about the rest of poor people & black people in America?

Just categorize them all as losers & be done with it, obviously.

They're all just a bunch of welfare queens - don't you understand? Lazy, good-for-nothing blacks just wanna keep voting Democrat so they can eat Cheetos and watch Montell Jordan all day instead of going to work. But we're totally not racists. I swear.

 

[agent00f]

Is that what this is about? You need your participation trophy and to be told you're a winner?

If giving people a bit of free stuff is all it took to get votes, then democrats never would have had to court the black vote because old people can then be relied for all that leftists spend on them. Or does that only work on lazy ethnicities?

 

[Texashiker]

It doesn't matter what he said. The civil rights act drew a line in the sand with pro and anti-segrationist types on each respective side and corresponding party divide. Race division was so entrenched in this country that such a move completely reshaped american politics in a way that pretty much nothing else could.

It matters a lot what LBJ said, because that is the philosophy of the democrat party.

Give minorities just enough to keep them happy, but not enough to make a difference, and they will keep voting democrat.

Democrats do not give a damn about the issues facing the poor. If they did, welfare would not be a career path. Democrats want minorities on social assistance. Make it "look" like democrats are trying to help them. In the end democrats trap minorities with social assistance, just enough to get by, but not enough to make a real difference.

 

[compuwiz1]

LBJ set up the shock collar fence around the plantation and the democrats maintained it up through now. Give the addict, what you've gotten them addicted to and they'll vote for you every time.That's a failed social experiment and the sooner it gets abolished, the sooner people can heal from it. The reason there are multi generations living in poverty is because they have been conditioned to believe there is no other path, that it's normal and expected. That world was constructed by politicians, to keep SOME people exactly where they want them. Living just enough, just enough for the city.

 

[fskimospy]

LBJ set up the shock collar fence around the plantation and the democrats maintained it up through now. Give the addict, what you've gotten them addicted to and they'll vote for you every time.That's a failed social experiment and the sooner it gets abolished, the sooner people can heal from it. The reason there are multi generations living in poverty is because they have been conditioned to believe there is no other path, that it's normal and expected. That world was constructed by politicians, to keep SOME people exactly where they want them. Living just enough, just enough for the city.

As others mentioned, believing this means that you think basically all black people are so easily tricked that they are unable to see the nefarious plot the democrats have hatched to oppress them. Somehow though, white conservatives with opposing political views can easily spot this.

Have you guys considered alternatives to your 'virtually all black people are stupid dupes' theory? Like say, black people don't vote for Republicans because they consistently race bait them and try to cut programs that benefit them? Isn't that a simpler explanation? Have you also considered that the condescending attitude that led you to believe you know what black people think better than black people do might also lead to them hating your preferred party?

 

[glenn1]

As others mentioned, believing this means that you think basically all black people are so easily tricked that they are unable to see the nefarious plot the democrats have hatched to oppress them. Somehow though, white conservatives with opposing political views can easily spot this.

Have you guys considered alternatives to your 'virtually all black people are stupid dupes' theory? Like say, black people don't vote for Republicans because they consistently race bait them and try to cut programs that benefit them? Isn't that a simpler explanation? Have you also considered that the condescending attitude that led you to believe you know what black people think better than black people do might also lead to them hating your preferred party?

That is kind of the point, just because a program benefits blacks doesn't mean it benefits the nation overall. I also oppose agricultural subsidies and know they will hurt farmers but many more will benefit. We implemented welfare reform and the new vectors for abuse of the "socia l safety net" became food stamps and SSI disability. And then Democrats drill even more holes in the bottom of the boat like 99+ week unemployment and other incredibly bad and self-destructive policies.

 

[fskimospy]

That is kind of the point, just because a program benefits blacks doesn't mean it benefits the nation overall. I also oppose agricultural subsidies and know they will hurt farmers but many more will benefit. We implemented welfare reform and the new vectors for abuse of the "socia l safety net" became food stamps and SSI disability. And then Democrats drill even more holes in the bottom of the boat like 99+ week unemployment and other incredibly bad and self-destructive policies.

Why was long term unemployment bad? Research shows it had a limited impact on labor force participation at worst and it provided highly effective fiscal stimulus at a time the multiplier was well above 1. It was a smart move all around.

All that aside, arguing whether something is good or bad for the nation is not what is being discussed here, it's the idea that Democrats are somehow harming black people by having programs that black people benefit from and that black people are almost all apparently too stupid to see it.

Condescending to entire minority groups is probably not a good way to have them vote for you.

 

[glenn1]

Why was long term unemployment bad? Research shows it had a limited impact on labor force participation at worst and it provided highly effective fiscal stimulus at a time the multiplier was well above 1. It was a smart move all around.

All that aside, arguing whether something is good or bad for the nation is not what is being discussed here, it's the idea that Democrats are somehow harming black people by having programs that black people benefit from and that black people are almost all apparently too stupid to see it.

Condescending to entire minority groups is probably not a good way to have them vote for you.

Thought we already went over this. Major parties aren't going to change major elements of their core philosophy to cater to the wants/needs of a small sliver of the electorate as doing so would alienate the larger voter groups that supported the first platform. If I said something like "Bernie Sanders should tone down the class rhetoric and calls for socialism in order to appeal to me and members of the 1%" you'd rightfully reject it because we're not his target audience. Having someone's support isn't worthwhile if their values are completely at odds with yours, the GOP should no more seek out the votes of blacks who just want to perpetuate welfare state spending than the GOP should seek out the votes of Communists or the Democrats seek the votes of the KKK or Nazi sympathizers.

Again, that's not the question. The question is whether blacks are getting good "return on investment" for their almost 100% patterns of voting for Democrats. Judging from the quality of life for most blacks particularly in ghettos, you'd be hard pressed to say "yes." Hell, it would be hard to imagine how things could be much worse for ghetto blacks if the Democrats were actively trying to make their lives suck.

 

[Jhhnn]

LBJ set up the shock collar fence around the plantation and the democrats maintained it up through now. Give the addict, what you've gotten them addicted to and they'll vote for you every time.That's a failed social experiment and the sooner it gets abolished, the sooner people can heal from it. The reason there are multi generations living in poverty is because they have been conditioned to believe there is no other path, that it's normal and expected. That world was constructed by politicians, to keep SOME people exactly where they want them. Living just enough, just enough for the city.

It matters a lot what LBJ said, because that is the philosophy of the democrat party.

Give minorities just enough to keep them happy, but not enough to make a difference, and they will keep voting democrat.

Democrats do not give a damn about the issues facing the poor. If they did, welfare would not be a career path. Democrats want minorities on social assistance. Make it "look" like democrats are trying to help them. In the end democrats trap minorities with social assistance, just enough to get by, but not enough to make a real difference.

Except that social programs aren't about race but rather about poverty. So if minorities end up in poverty more often than whites it means one of two things- either minorities are inferior, something I refuse to believe, or systemic racism makes it that way. Take your pick.

Righties obviously don't like that answer but they have no other.

It's not like their Jerb Creator! leadership has any answers, either, other than empty promises to obfuscate the effects of automation, offshoring & the wealth concentration of financialization. It's why they can fall for a charlatan like Trump. They don't realize that we're all just n*****s to the financial elite. Like Lyndon Johnson once said-

I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it. If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

 

[fskimospy]

Thought we already went over this. Major parties aren't going to change major elements of their core philosophy to cater to the wants/needs of a small sliver of the electorate as doing so would alienate the larger voter groups that supported the first platform. If I said something like "Bernie Sanders should tone down the class rhetoric and calls for socialism in order to appeal to me and members of the 1%" you'd rightfully reject it because we're not his target audience. Having someone's support isn't worthwhile if their values are completely at odds with yours, the GOP should no more seek out the votes of blacks who just want to perpetuate welfare state spending than the GOP should seek out the votes of Communists or the Democrats seek the votes of the KKK or Nazi sympathizers.

Again, that's not the question. The question is whether blacks are getting good "return on investment" for their almost 100% patterns of voting for Democrats. Judging from the quality of life for most blacks particularly in ghettos, you'd be hard pressed to say "yes." Hell, it would be hard to imagine how things could be much worse for ghetto blacks if the Democrats were actively trying to make their lives suck.

It's not hard at all to say yes, haha. Would black people be better off with the social safety net cut, efforts at preventing anti-black discrimination abolished, and placing a group in power whose elected officials are frequently caught perpetuating racist stereotypes about them? Let's just go ahead and say no there.

The only question is if the lives of black Americans would be better off with republicans in charge, and the answer to that is obviously no. Therefore as a general rule black people don't vote for Republicans. They aren't the victims of some dastardly trick by Democrats, they are just smart enough not to vote for a party that frequently messages that it hates them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Thought we already went over this. Major parties aren't going to change major elements of their core philosophy to cater to the wants/needs of a small sliver of the electorate as doing so would alienate the larger voter groups that supported the first platform. If I said something like "Bernie Sanders should tone down the class rhetoric and calls for socialism in order to appeal to me and members of the 1%" you'd rightfully reject it because we're not his target audience. Having someone's support isn't worthwhile if their values are completely at odds with yours, the GOP should no more seek out the votes of blacks who just want to perpetuate welfare state spending than the GOP should seek out the votes of Communists or the Democrats seek the votes of the KKK or Nazi sympathizers.

Again, that's not the question. The question is whether blacks are getting good "return on investment" for their almost 100% patterns of voting for Democrats. Judging from the quality of life for most blacks particularly in ghettos, you'd be hard pressed to say "yes." Hell, it would be hard to imagine how things could be much worse for ghetto blacks if the Democrats were actively trying to make their lives suck.

If Democrats were actively trying to make poor people's lives suck we'd act like Republicans.

 

[fskimospy]

I mean for Christ's sake the current republican nominee is a guy who came to political prominence by perpetuating a racist conspiracy about the first black president.

 

[glenn1]

Except that social programs aren't about race but rather about poverty. So if minorities end up in poverty more often than whites it means one of two things- either minorities are inferior, something I refuse to believe, or systemic racism makes it that way. Take your pick.

Or (C) they aren't inferior and on average have just as much innate capability as anyone else, but choose paths that don't allow them to reach that potential. Like dropping out of school. Or doing drugs. Having their own children at 13 years old. Killing each other at rates that rival sub-Saharan nations gripped in civil war.

 

[Jhhnn]

Or (C) they aren't inferior and on average have just as much innate capability as anyone else, but choose paths that don't allow them to reach that potential. Like dropping out of school. Or doing drugs. Having their own children at 13 years old. Killing each other at rates that rival sub-Saharan nations gripped in civil war.

You merely dodge the question of why minorities would disproportionately choose such paths. It's because they're disproportionately poor.

That leads back to my original proposition that much of what there is to see is the result of systemic racism at a lot of different levels, overt & covert, intentional and unintentional, subtle and profound. Once you acknowledge that it can only be one of those two ways you'll have a much better understanding of what confronts us.

 

[Commodus]

The problem with the OP's view can be summed up this way:

If Democrats take black votes for granted, Republicans take a massive dump on black people and wonder why those people don't smile afterward. Neither is ideal, but only one of them is vaguely tolerable... and it isn't the GOP position.