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Jhhnn

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Regardless of what republicans or conservatives think or do, the Democrat party is becoming the party of "say anything, but do little or nothing" just as long the other guy (republicans/conservatives) are worse.

Some call it exploitation while others call it pragmatism, but as long as the intended votes keep coming in nothing will change.

Just ask the "anti-free trade" unions how their consistent voting for the Democratic party has worked out for them, because the only other choice they are told is the union hating other guy.

Pure bullshit. Other than early 2009, Repubs have held a blocking position in either the presidency, the senate, the house or some combination of them since Jan 1995. They control a lot of state govts, as well. Their basic agenda obviously isn't friendly to non-white Americans at all.

Witness the Trump phenomenon. It didn't spring up out of nowhere. Think of it as a festering boil that finally came to a head.
 

Jhhnn

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80% is basically equal to whites share of the national population so that would be ideal. But alas you're wrong about the number by a huge margin.

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Yes, hundreds of years of race based slavery & 100 years of Jim Crow have a profound effect on America. Those effects have not been entirely reversible over the last 50 years due to resistance from so-called conservatives.
 

glenn1

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Yes, hundreds of years of race based slavery & 100 years of Jim Crow have a profound effect on America. Those effects have not been entirely reversible over the last 50 years due to resistance from so-called conservatives.

Did you get a pellet after pushing the lever like the good little well-trained creature you are?
 
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Mxylplyx

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As I've said several times in the past, it is very possible that blacks are under served by the democratic party given that they are such a dependable voting block for democrats. However, Republicans have zero authority to bitch about this given that the Republican party is openly hostile to the black community, and is the natural home for racists and white nationalists. Take North Carolina's recent voter law changes for instance....do Republicans really think anyone is fooled with this voter fraud nonsense when it was proven that the legislature requested data on voter patterns broken down by race, and specifically targeted voting habits of minorities to make it more difficult? This pattern has repeated itself across most southern states.

You right wingers need to face the uncomfortable reality that the dog whistle Republican politicians have been blowing for decades is heard by all. Trump just decided to replace the dog whistle with a bull horn, but the message is just the same.
 
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Jaskalas

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Many people want change in this country, including extremists of both sides.
That means they have to oppose Hillary.
 

fskimospy

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Many people want change in this country, including extremists of both sides.
That means they have to oppose Hillary.

That doesn't make any sense. People don't just want change for the sake of change, they want positive change. If your choice is between no change and really really really bad change, support for Clinton becomes a no-brainer.

I mean what percentage of people do you think are really basing their vote on the thought of 'well I know this guy is an erratic, incompetent psychopath but he's going to mix it up so who gives a shit?'
 

glenn1

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As I've said several times in the past, it is very possible that blacks are under served by the democratic party given that they are such a dependable voting block for democrats. However, Republicans have zero authority to bitch about this given that the Republican party is openly hostile to the black community, and is the natural home for racists and white nationalists. Take North Carolina's recent voter law changes for instance....do Republicans really think anyone is fooled with this voter fraud nonsense when it was proven that the legislature requested data on voter patterns broken down by race, and specifically targeted voting habits of minorities to make it more difficult? This pattern has repeated itself across most southern states.

You right wingers need to face the uncomfortable reality that the dog whistle Republican politicians have been blowing for decades is heard by all. Trump just decided to replace the dog whistle with a bull horn, but the message is just the same.

If Republicans are the racists you think they are, why would you accuse them of "bitching" about Democrats ignoring the concerns of blacks because their votes are seen as a given and thus taken for granted? Hell, that's pretty much best case scenario for a racist - blacks still get the shaft but it's Democrats doing it and you can lay the resulting dysfunction and crappy reality of black ghetto life as being the direct results of Democratic policies. What, do you think the GOP will embrace the typical black voter desires for massive hikes in welfare/wealth redistribution, increased affirmative action, etc? Sell out their core principles for what, a handful more percent of a demographic that's only 12% of the total population anyway?
 

Jhhnn

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Many people want change in this country, including extremists of both sides.
That means they have to oppose Hillary.

Please. Representing the Democratic platform & Clinton's proposals as merely sustaining the status quo isn't accurate. It is a center left agenda as opposed to Repubs' right to really fucking far right agenda. Both have direction. Pick one.
 

fskimospy

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If Republicans are the racists you think they are, why would you accuse them of "bitching" about Democrats ignoring the concerns of blacks because their votes are seen as a given and thus taken for granted? Hell, that's pretty much best case scenario for a racist - blacks still get the shaft but it's Democrats doing it and you can lay the resulting dysfunction and crappy reality of black ghetto life as being the direct results of Democratic policies. What, do you think the GOP will embrace the typical black voter desires for massive hikes in welfare/wealth redistribution, increased affirmative action, etc? Sell out their core principles for what, a handful more percent of a demographic that's only 12% of the total population anyway?

No, the best case scenario for a racist is to have the political power and get to implement your preferred racist policies. On top of that, you get to enact your other policies.

What Republicans are doing here in their fake outreach to black people is to try and convince non-racist Republicans to stay on board and perhaps mute black turnout for Democrats. Disingenuous lip service costs them nothing and doesn't require them to actually change any policies. It's a win-win.
 

Texashiker

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What Republicans are doing here in their fake outreach to black people .

You are so full of crap.

Republicans, such as myself, help minorities because it is the right thing to do.

Jesus taught what you do for the least, you do for me. I am not speaking for all Republicans, just those that I know personally. We are guided by our moral compass to help those who can not help themselves.

What democrats do not understand, there is a difference between "can not help themselves" and "will not help themselves". Welfare should NOT be a family tradition, nor should it be a way of life, or a career path. Democrats pander to the "help me because I am oppressed" mentality.
 

Jhhnn

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If Republicans are the racists you think they are, why would you accuse them of "bitching" about Democrats ignoring the concerns of blacks because their votes are seen as a given and thus taken for granted? Hell, that's pretty much best case scenario for a racist - blacks still get the shaft but it's Democrats doing it and you can lay the resulting dysfunction and crappy reality of black ghetto life as being the direct results of Democratic policies. What, do you think the GOP will embrace the typical black voter desires for massive hikes in welfare/wealth redistribution, increased affirmative action, etc? Sell out their core principles for what, a handful more percent of a demographic that's only 12% of the total population anyway?

If Dems aren't seen as Saviors in the black community that doesn't negate what Dems have done to improve the lives of poor people in general, people of all colors. That's undeniable. Make no mistake- Repubs would undo a lot of it given the chance.

Repubs' core principles being what? FUGM? apparently so.
 

agent00f

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You are so full of crap.

Republicans, such as myself, help minorities because it is the right thing to do.

Jesus taught what you do for the least, you do for me. I am not speaking for all Republicans, just those that I know personally. We are guided by our moral compass to help those who can not help themselves.

What democrats do not understand, there is a difference between "can not help themselves" and "will not help themselves". Welfare should NOT be a family tradition, nor should it be a way of life, or a career path. Democrats pander to the "help me because I am oppressed" mentality.

Yet:

LBJ stated the goal of the civil rights act and the democrat agenda.

Gotta help those minorities by opposing the civil rights act, lol.

So do black people pretty much all vote for D because they're all too dumb to figure out it's the conservatives who're doing them a favor?
 

Cerpin Taxt

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So do black people pretty much all vote for D because they're all too dumb to figure out it's the conservatives who're doing them a favor?
That's the most absurd thing about the "Dems are the REAL racists!" canard -- it tacitly suggests that basically ALL BLACK PEOPLE are too dumb to figure out how to vote for their own interests, and that they need the GOP to tell them whats really good for them. Sounds a lot like "Slavery wasn't THAT BAD," doesn't it?

This is the reasoning that people like glenn1 think will bring African Americans over to the GOP.

Great thinking, geniuses.
 

MovingTarget

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You are so full of crap.

Republicans, such as myself, help minorities because it is the right thing to do.

Jesus taught what you do for the least, you do for me. I am not speaking for all Republicans, just those that I know personally. We are guided by our moral compass to help those who can not help themselves.

What democrats do not understand, there is a difference between "can not help themselves" and "will not help themselves". Welfare should NOT be a family tradition, nor should it be a way of life, or a career path. Democrats pander to the "help me because I am oppressed" mentality.

No. Perhaps you do help minorities in your personal life, but we are talking about parties and groups as a whole here. Whatever altruistic efforts you have do not erase the systemic damage that the GOP not only have perpetuated against minorities, but the future increased damage their platform proposes. (disclaimer: Please do not think that I am denigrating your personal efforts here in any way...I am simply attempting to refocus the conversation on a policy-level.)

Your reference to Jesus' teachings are probably worth their entire thread itself. What you fail to realize is that the Religious Right does not have dominion over Christianity, as many claim. It motivates many Democrats too, as they cite the very same teaching while putting it into policy over GOP obstruction. The poor will always be with you, and you should do everything you can to help them at all times even if it "isn't the government's job". It is everyone's job, whether on an individual or collective (through, say, a representative government's) basis. Nowhere does it say to judge them using that "cycles of dependency" or "welfare queen" claptrap that has seeped from Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism into modern discourse, disguising itself as Christian morality.
 

MovingTarget

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One more thing, unrelated to my previous posts. I feel the need to get needlessly picky here...:mad:

It is called the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party. A member of the Democratic Party is called a Democrat. Many of you know better.
 

Jhhnn

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One more thing, unrelated to my previous posts. I feel the need to get needlessly picky here...:mad:

It is called the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party. A member of the Democratic Party is called a Democrat. Many of you know better.

It's a deliberate slight originally coined & popularized on the right by the great Rushbo, iirc.
 

Roflmouth

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As I've said several times in the past, it is very possible that blacks are under served by the democratic party given that they are such a dependable voting block for democrats. However, Republicans have zero authority to bitch about this given that the Republican party is openly hostile to the black community, and is the natural home for racists and white nationalists. Take North Carolina's recent voter law changes for instance....do Republicans really think anyone is fooled with this voter fraud nonsense when it was proven that the legislature requested data on voter patterns broken down by race, and specifically targeted voting habits of minorities to make it more difficult? This pattern has repeated itself across most southern states.

You right wingers need to face the uncomfortable reality that the dog whistle Republican politicians have been blowing for decades is heard by all. Trump just decided to replace the dog whistle with a bull horn, but the message is just the same.

Have you always felt that blacks are too stupid to get photo IDs? Do you dare tell them that to their face?
 

glenn1

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That's the most absurd thing about the "Dems are the REAL racists!" canard -- it tacitly suggests that basically ALL BLACK PEOPLE are too dumb to figure out how to vote for their own interests, and that they need the GOP to tell them whats really good for them. Sounds a lot like "Slavery wasn't THAT BAD," doesn't it?

This is the reasoning that people like glenn1 think will bring African Americans over to the GOP.

Great thinking, geniuses.

I don't care if blacks vote GOP and would advise them against it if their political views are incompatible with the GOP platform. If you want welfare and the other trappings of Democrats you should vote for it. There's no shame in that if that's what you want, I'll just be on the opposite side of the proposition from you.
 
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I don't care if blacks vote GOP and would advise them against it if their political views are incompatible with the GOP platform. If you want welfare and the other trappings of Democrats you should vote for it. There's no shame in that if that's what you want, I'll just be on the opposite side of the proposition from you.
Comments like that just make you look ignorant and somewhat racist.

There are much bigger reasons that drew and continues to draw the black population to Democrats. Not your free shit nonsense.

GOP is the party of states rights. States rights haven't exactly gone too well for blacks historically. They have a much bigger trust of the federal government over the state. Blacks also see things like the voters rights act gutted by republicans. They see groups of people denied rights and marginalized simply for who they are. Sound familiar? Which party is it that tries to deny equal rights under the law to groups of people?

But you keep on with your free shit argument while debating why the black population finds the GOP isn't representative of them or their interests.
 

agent00f

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I don't care if blacks vote GOP and would advise them against it if their political views are incompatible with the GOP platform. If you want welfare and the other trappings of Democrats you should vote for it. There's no shame in that if that's what you want, I'll just be on the opposite side of the proposition from you.

It's rather more the case that they really don't want the white supremacist types to win, and who could blame them. D's could give black people nothing and still win the black vote, and for your own sake I would recommend against blaming the minorities for it.
 

glenn1

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Comments like that just make you look ignorant and somewhat racist.

There are much bigger reasons that drew and continues to draw the black population to Democrats. Not your free shit nonsense.

GOP is the party of states rights. States rights haven't exactly gone too well for blacks historically. They have a much bigger trust of the federal government over the state. Blacks also see things like the voters rights act gutted by republicans. They see groups of people denied rights and marginalized simply for who they are. Sound familiar? Which party is it that tries to deny equal rights under the law to groups of people?

But you keep on with your free shit argument.

Oh yes, I can see where the draw is for blacks to a party which implemented such great triumphs in rights as Japanese internment and the Tuskegee syphilis experiments. And whose current nominee called blacks "super predators who need to be brought to heel." And live in and run the most segregated cities in America (Milwaukee, NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland) and engage in white flight at the first signs of minorities moving in. Democrats sure love them blacks, just will move their ass away from them in a heartbeat.

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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/ny-schools-are-the-most-racially-segregated.html


Call me "somewhat racist" all you want. Simple truth is that people are going to vote for what they perceive to be their self-interest. For blacks that decision seems to be firmly for Democrats even though IMHO they've gotten precious little in exchange. Expecting the GOP to change their platform to cater to the desires of 12% of the population makes no more sense than Democrats to change their message to cater to the top 12% richest people instead of Bernie Sanders and company demonizing them.