The Nazis had a serious problem with Jews. But the Jews were not in one place. So, the Nazis had to negotiate with national governments, not Jewish leaders, on their expulsion.
But this argument is moot since you dismiss the fact that Israelis have learned quite a lot from their former tormentors, which they have.
Negative, we have never engaged in this BS. Link me if I'm wrong.
The IDF doesn't exist without our money, we buy everything for them. Unless we're willing to hand out f-16's to Hamas, I don't see what this has to do with anything.
Wow, I hate Bush but this is total bunk. Just like with point 1, go ahead and link me a story where the US has ever purposefully targeted a hospital or a food bank, or used human shields.
You're right, unfortunately their shitty homemade rockets don't have GPS targeting capability.
You ought to just come out and say what you really mean - Israel committed war crimes, but Palestinians are animals who don't deserve human treatment for they harbor terrorists among them. Kill them all, let God sort them out.
Am I close?
I never said anything about killing them -- but, marching all of them beyond the Syrian border wouldn't be a bad tactical move on the part of the Israelis. It would certainly help straighten out the lines on the map, and containing the terrorist elements along the Syrian border would be much more manageable than the situation they're facing now.
All of this is being said from a practical and tactical perspective. Would doing so be morally right, or would it be repugnant? I don't know. All I do know is that their continued coexistence will never result in peace. One of the two parties needs to go for there to be peace on that land, and I'm sorry, but the practical answer again would be the stronger of the two getting to stay.
Besides, the Syrians love their Palestinian brothers and sisters, don't they? I'm sure they'd welcome them with open arms... right?
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Israel has far fewer people than we do. Moreover, they should not have to endure any loss.
In general terms I support collective punishment against locations of terrorist operation.
Right, cause if Israel plays nice Iran won?t have an incentive to arm itself? Bull.
It is a basic function of any entity to strengthen itself. If Israel ceased to exist Iran would still want to provide the security of MAD to ward off any threat. They are following the methods of their trading partner North Korea and nothing short of annihilation will prevent their nuclear program.
I have to wonder what sort of moral high ground you think Iran cares about when it is harboring and training terrorist groups.
IMO, this is war criminal behavior by the leadership, even if the Israeli troops did nothing wrong, which the evidence strongly suggests is not the case. They're 'above the law'.
War crime accountability trials are fine for the weaker nations - the conquered, the less powerful - but not the US or its close allies.
The law is corrupted when it's so selectively applied.
The right here rants and screams when the government gives itself exemptions for far more mundane and harmless things.
But as soon as they *identify with* the government - ours or Israel's - they becme the most corrupt sons of bitches around, defending war crimes.
It's the same corrupt mentality, whether it's defending Israeli war crimes and treating Palestinians like sub-humans, or the Japanese defending their war crimes against Chinese they treated as sub-human, or the Germans defending their war crimes against Jews they treated as sub-humans, or the US defending its war crimes long ago against native Americans they treated as sub-humans, before there was much idea of 'war crimes'.
War crime accountability trials are fine for the weaker nations - the conquered, the less powerful - but not the US or its close allies.
The law is corrupted when it's so selectively applied.
The right here rants and screams when the government gives itself exemptions for far more mundane and harmless things.
But as soon as they *identify with* the government - ours or Israel's - they becme the most corrupt sons of bitches around, defending war crimes.
It's the same corrupt mentality, whether it's defending Israeli war crimes and treating Palestinians like sub-humans, or the Japanese defending their war crimes against Chinese they treated as sub-human, or the Germans defending their war crimes against Jews they treated as sub-humans, or the US defending its war crimes long ago against native Americans they treated as sub-humans, before there was much idea of 'war crimes'.
War crimes are a joke. It's only a crime if you lose. If you win, nothing happens. If you have someone on your side that can veto measures, the better. This is just like when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan then vetoed every UN security council measure brought up against them.
I take solace that Israel as a state cannot survive. In 50 years, Arabs will overtake the Jewish majority anyways, just by sheer numbers within the country. Jews are having 1.8-2.0 babies/family, Arabs are having 5+/family.
I take solace that Israel as a state cannot survive. In 50 years, Arabs will overtake the Jewish majority anyways, just by sheer numbers within the country. Jews are having 1.8-2.0 babies/family, Arabs are having 5+/family.
You know this how? That's the reason for trials.
Your "everyone" = you and who else? Name all of them. I'm someone, and I don't know what you claim is true. :roll:
Prove what you say is true. You haven't stated any facts, and I can deny your unfounded opinion. In fact, I just did.
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That's exactly the kind of thinking that gave us your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers and war criminals, all of whom should be tried for their crime both in the U.S. and at the World Court at the Hague.
Israel and those they have fought all deserve justice based on the truth, no more and no less. If Israel believes they committed no crimes, let them have the balls to prove it. If not, they're the same kind of sick hypocritical pieces of shit as the Bushwhackos.
I know how much you love that macro Harvey, but in the real world, countries with power simply do not submit to war crime tribunals. The US should be indicted many times over for what it's done throughout history. The same with the Soviet Union. Why do people like Slobadon get tried for war crimes? Simple, his country was neither powerful enough nor had powerful enough friends to avoid persecution.
You think Nazi Germany would have had a Nuremburg trial if they won? They might have, but American/British/French/Soviet officers would have been on trial for ex-post-facto laws they broke.
The winners pass judgement on the losers. It's as simple as that. Why do you think the Iraqi Courts can't touch American soldiers/contractors? We wrote into their law system that Americans (and other allied countries) are immune to persecution.
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Nor did I suggest you did. That said, you are defending the killing for around 1,400 Palestinians here, mostly civilans.
To a bigot it wouldn't, just like the Nazis considered shipping European Jews off to Madagascar a reasonable idea.
Israel is already holding part of Syria under illegal occupation.
The morally correct thing to do is to convince Israel to withdraw from the Palestinian territories and accept a two state solution on the basis of international law. The might makes right alternative you propose is utterly repugnant.
Palestinians aren't interested in being driven from their homes, and even Syrians were willing to facilitate your desire to see that happen, it wouldn't make it any less wrong. Besides, considering that Israel's "Boarders of Destiny" extends even further into Syria than what Israel currently holds in the minds of many Zionists, Syrians have their own necks to look out for. Letting Israel take the rest of Palestine would only serve to allow such Zionists to believe they could get away with taking yet more.
And you don't see a problem with that? Knowing what has happened in the past does not make us captive to it. We live in an age of much more rapid and in depth communication with much more information available in real time. There is no excuse for allowing war crimes to be overlooked or the guilty go unpunished. At the risk of repeating myself, I'll repeat myself...
That's exactly the kind of thinking that gave us your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers and war criminals, all of whom should be tried for their crime both in the U.S. and at the World Court at the Hague.
Israel and those they have fought all deserve justice based on the truth, no more and no less. If Israel believes they committed no crimes, let them have the balls to prove it. If not, they're the same kind of sick hypocritical pieces of shit as the Bushwhackos.
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On a side note, I hope everyone will take the time to hear Tony Blair's unprepared defense of the Gaza massacre. I'm going to link to a blog which posted a video of it rather than to the video directly, both for context, and because the expression on Blair's face in video still is priceless.
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It's a logical deduction based on the fact that that Palestinians as a society are and have long been calling for an end to Israeli occupation of what little of their homeland is still legally theirs rather than offering it up in exchange for being relocated elsewhere.
Besides, if say China developed some super weapons and set their sites on taking the US for their own, would you be interested in being driven from your home?
yes, because Israel has proven to be such an expansionist country... I mean, really?!
The land they occupy that once belonged to Syria was taken during a battle that Syria itself started. That land now acts as a buffer zone between Israel and Syria. To hold the continued control of said land against Israel is moronic.
Israel has, more often than not, returned land that they captured during battles that they didn't even start. But you already know that. To imply that they are an expansionist country, in any direction besides the "Palestinian territories," is just plain ridiculous. They even returned the Sinai to Egypt even though control of the canal would have been a windfall of power and influence throughout the region.
I know that you're a conspiracy junkie, so why I even bother to try to debate with you is a damn good question... :roll:
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Bullshit.
Bullshit.
I don't claim they are an expansionist as a country in regard to anything beyond the Palestinian territories, but rather pointed out the fact that they do have further to expand in the minds of many Zionists, this providing some notable examples.
This is true, but you seem to have considerable misconceptions of the context.
I'm a facts junkie, and why you bother to obfuscate the facts with bullshit is a question I hope you might someday be willing to answer, as I see no point in such nonsense.
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