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runzwithsizorz

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Last I checked cows, chickens, and pigs weren't picked and those working in processing plants get paid much better than your beloved veggie pickers.

"Goes to show your true ignorance in the matter, most farms that produce meats are family owned and operated without help from illegals."
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Nationwide 63,032 inmates produce more than $2 billion worth of products a year, most of them sold to government entities.

Base pay starts at 60¢ a day, but most prisoners earn $300 to $400 a month

The prisoners at the Colorado Correctional Industries which supplies fish,and cheese for Whole Foods Markets make $1.50 an hour — still well under minimum wage but decent compared to what inmates in other states garner. After legislators last year passed one of the country's toughest laws against illegal immigrants. farmers see Colorado inmates as their possible salvation - the most viable replacements for the gaps once filled by illegal immigrants. Five farmers recently vouched for the program in a letter distributed to reporters Tuesday. The farmers, who declined to identify themselves, wrote that after illegal immigrants stopped coming to Colorado, "We have been pleasantly surprised at the serious motivation the inmates have shown to learn different skills and also their ability to hang in,"

Kaedra Peterson, 32, in prison for drug possession, one of thousands of inmates working at farms in Colorado, said her pay increased from 60 cents a day to $4 a day at the farm. She used to rely on money from her grandmother to buy basic necessities such as toothpaste and soap.

North Carolinas' Correction Enterises's,(LOL@ name), has 32 facilities in various industries throughout the state, and has a 1-800 number for you to call and place an order.

Six executives and managers of Tyson Foods Inc.were accused Wednesday of smuggling illegal Mexican immigrants into the country to work at the processing plants of the world's largest poultry company.
The federal indictment said one of the managers told an undercover agent the company would pay $200 for each illegal alien delivered.
The indictment, unsealed Wednesday, in U.S. District Court in Chattanooga, also said the managers helped the immigrants obtain false documents to work in the United States, hoping the cheap labor would help Tyson cut costs and meet production goals.The conspiracy allegedly reached 15 plants in nine states. Three of those charged were affiliated with Tyson's plant in Shelbyville. In 2001, Tyson Foods acquired IBP, Inc., the largest beef packer and number two pork processor in the U.S., for US$3.2 billion in cash and stock. Tyson has also acquired such companies as Hudson Foods Company, Garrett poultry, Washington Creamery, Franz Foods, Prospect Farms, Krispy Kitchens, Ocoma Foods, Cassady Broiler, Vantress Pedigree, Wilson Foods, Honeybear Foods, Mexican Original, Valmac Industries, Heritage Valley, Lane Processing, Cobb-Vantress, Holly Farms, Wright Brand Foods, Inc. and Don Julio Foods. It also acquired along with its purchase of IBP, the naming rights to an event center in Sioux City, Iowa. On 29 May 2014, the company announced a $6.13 billion cash offer to acquire all the shares in Hillshire Brands, two days after a $6.4 billion cash and shares bid for Hillshire by Pilgrim's Corp. In June, Tyson won the bidding war against Pilgrim's Pride, agreeing to buy the maker of Jimmy Dean sausage and Ball Park hot dogs for $8.5 billion. Tyson Foods, headquartered in Arkansas also introduced the world to the Clintons.

This entire society, since it's founding has always run on slave labor and still does; daily, they incarcerate people and use them as slaves to make money off of this prison industry. If you think that we have abolished slavery in the states, you are terribly misinformed,
 

Nebor

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Paying them? No, you pay employees. They are not employees. They are people looking for assistance. If they are able bodied, they can VOLUNTEER, or they can participate in a work training program, and they can work any job (minimum wage or not) for 20 hours a week to qualify. If they are not actually able to do any of those, then they qualify for aid regardless.

This!

It's amazing how stupid and borderline illiterate some of the bleeding heart liberals in this thread are. No one is working for less than minimum wage.
 
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I like where this is going, but you guys do realize what this means right????


ALL ABOARD THE SOCIAL SECURITY GRAVY TRAIN NEXT!
 

waggy

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I like it. Get people working, get them involved. I think half of the legitimately lazy people are probably lazy because they simply have nothing to be proud about/live for/are fucking depressed or whatever.

It gets them involved, seratonin pumping, and for at least some percentage of them, can turn them into useful, productive, and even successful citizens--and they never would have thought that possible. If they just drop out and don't even try, well, no harm really. If they have no dependents, then they only hurt themselves. More tacos for me. Win-win.

File this under: "Yet another government program telling people what is best for them" that I like.

:thumbsup:

/THIS

I really can't see a negative and only positives. Zin nails the largest positive.

I'm just shocked people are against having people do SOMETHING to get the services. i really just don't understand it.
 

BoberFett

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/THIS

I really can't see a negative and only positives. Zin nails the largest positive.

I'm just shocked people are against having people do SOMETHING to get the services. i really just don't understand it.

People like Jhhnn just live for outrage. It must be horrible being him.
 

Jhhnn

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http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/dibGraphs.html

Facts of ever increasing applications to ridiculously year over year amounts isn't equivalent to "fear and loathing". The number of applications PER YEAR has DOUBLED, yes, doubled in the last 10 years alone.

You can't even read your own graphs. Applications were near 175K/mo in 2005, rose to nearly 250K in 2011 & 2012, now stand at just over 200K & are falling.

Awards & payments hover around $1200/mo average, which is only riding the gravy train if you move to somewhere in the third world.
 
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Jhhnn

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People like Jhhnn just live for outrage. It must be horrible being him.

I'm not outraged by people who qualify for assistance getting it with few strings attached.

I do enjoy all the obfuscation from people who are outraged by it & demand that folks work for it at 1/3 minimum wage.

They're being sentenced to community service apparently for the crime of being poor.
 

Nebor

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I'm not outraged by people who qualify for assistance getting it with few strings attached.

I do enjoy all the obfuscation from people who are outraged by it & demand that folks work for it at 1/3 minimum wage.

They're being sentenced to community service apparently for the crime of being poor.

You are being purposefully obtuse. If they work a job, making minimum wage, for 20 hours a month, that will qualify them for SNAP. So they get their wages AND food stamps. No one is making less than minimum wage unless you're calling volunteer work "labor."
 

werepossum

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You are being purposefully obtuse. If they work a job, making minimum wage, for 20 hours a month, that will qualify them for SNAP. So they get their wages AND food stamps. No one is making less than minimum wage unless you're calling volunteer work "labor."
Unfair accusation, as anyone who has been here a month or two can see that stupidity is clearly not an optional choice for him. :D
 

Nebor

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It's not volunteer work, it's work for food stamps below minimum wage.

They have a choice to either work 20 hours in ANY JOB, or volunteer 24 hours a month for any non-profit charity recognized by the state or participate in work-training.

Do you feel that those sentence to community service, who frequently are working side-by-side with volunteers, are being forced to work for less than minimum wage?
 

BoberFett

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"Liberals" love the idea of forcing people to attend firearms training courses THAT THEY PAY FOR in order to exercise a right guaranteed by the Constitution, yet cry fowl when somebody who's getting free shit from the

Attend firearms class: You pay $100 for a two hour class but that's OK because you're an evil gun nut and deserve to be charged for your rights.

Volunteer in order to get food stamps: THEY'RE SLAVE LABOR EARNING $2.94/hr OMG MUH RIGHTS!!!

LOL, Democrats. I will never take that party seriously until they eject the nutjobs.
 

Jhhnn

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They have a choice to either work 20 hours in ANY JOB, or volunteer 24 hours a month for any non-profit charity recognized by the state or participate in work-training.

Where did the 24 hrs/mo figure for volunteer work come from?

Do you feel that those sentence to community service, who frequently are working side-by-side with volunteers, are being forced to work for less than minimum wage?

Obviously. They're serving a sentence imposed by law in lieu of jail time.
 

theeedude

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They have a choice to either work 20 hours in ANY JOB, or volunteer 24 hours a month for any non-profit charity recognized by the state or participate in work-training.

Do you feel that those sentence to community service, who frequently are working side-by-side with volunteers, are being forced to work for less than minimum wage?

It's a job. Volunteers aren't paid in food stamps.
 

theeedude

Lifer
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"Liberals" love the idea of forcing people to attend firearms training courses THAT THEY PAY FOR in order to exercise a right guaranteed by the Constitution, yet cry fowl when somebody who's getting free shit from the

Attend firearms class: You pay $100 for a two hour class but that's OK because you're an evil gun nut and deserve to be charged for your rights.

Volunteer in order to get food stamps: THEY'RE SLAVE LABOR EARNING $2.94/hr OMG MUH RIGHTS!!!

LOL, Democrats. I will never take that party seriously until they eject the nutjobs.

Yes, major liberal conspiracy to make gun owners be trained to use a gun.
 

nickqt

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"Liberals" love the idea of forcing people to attend firearms training courses THAT THEY PAY FOR in order to exercise a right guaranteed by the Constitution, yet cry fowl when somebody who's getting free shit from the

Attend firearms class: You pay $100 for a two hour class but that's OK because you're an evil gun nut and deserve to be charged for your rights.

Volunteer in order to get food stamps: THEY'RE SLAVE LABOR EARNING $2.94/hr OMG MUH RIGHTS!!!

LOL, Democrats. I will never take that party seriously until they eject the nutjobs.
Yeah, it's totally crazy and insane to require paranoids who walk around with loaded weapons to take a class so they're less likely to accidentally shoot themselves or someone else.

Super ultra mega crazy! Insane even!!!1
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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"Liberals" love the idea of forcing people to attend firearms training courses THAT THEY PAY FOR in order to exercise a right guaranteed by the Constitution, yet cry fowl when somebody who's getting free shit from the

Attend firearms class: You pay $100 for a two hour class but that's OK because you're an evil gun nut and deserve to be charged for your rights.

Volunteer in order to get food stamps: THEY'RE SLAVE LABOR EARNING $2.94/hr OMG MUH RIGHTS!!!

LOL, Democrats. I will never take that party seriously until they eject the nutjobs.

That's funny because I recall two democrat presidents signing on to welfare reform.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/welfare/stories/wf080196.htm

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...omney-says-barack-obamas-plan-abandons-tenet/



I see you are still dabbling in stupid.
 

unokitty

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FT_14.11.12_laborForce_200px.png

Teens and young adults aren’t as interested in entering the work force as they used to be...

By far the biggest chunk of people not in the labor force are people who simply don’t want to be, according to data from the monthly Current Population Survey (which the BLS uses to, among other things, calculate the unemployment rate). Last month, according to BLS, 85.9 million adults didn’t want a job now, or 93.3% of all adults not in the labor force...

The share of 16- to 24-year-olds saying they didn’t want a job rose from an average 29.5% in 2000 to an average 39.4% over the first 10 months of this year...
Not working.

Not interested in working.

Not interested in volunteering...

Well, they are consistent...

Uno
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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FT_14.11.12_laborForce_200px.png

Not working.

Not interested in working.

Not interested in volunteering...

Well, they are consistent...

Uno

I don't know but in the following paragraph they said:

But the 16-to-24 share has edged higher, while the 25-to-54 share has slipped. That could reflect more young adults staying in or returning to school rather than chancing a tough job market.

So what's the problem here?
 

Subyman

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This entire society, since it's founding has always run on slave labor and still does; daily, they incarcerate people and use them as slaves to make money off of this prison industry. If you think that we have abolished slavery in the states, you are terribly misinformed,

We aren't making money off of the prison industry. Inmate labor goes to reducing their cost for taxpayers. The private prison situation is rather questionable though.
 

hardhat

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I would be all in favor of this program if the government guaranteed a (minimum wage) job for everyone who was getting food stamps, and provided daycare for any dependents of the recipient. The job would have to be accessible through public transportation, and transportation must be accessible by walking.

They could set up public gardens where communities could grow local produce, or pick up litter along smaller highways. They could do postal service mail sorting. They could cook food for homeless shelters or sort donations at food banks. They could remove graffiti.

There are lots of things that our government could pay these people to do, but currently don't do. Of course, providing jobs would cost more, but then we'd be providing an opportunity for these people instead of just a handout. Teach a man to fish and all that.