Need to work for your handout

[Jhhnn]

Basic premises of right wing attitudes- an infinite number of jobs & lazy people who won't fill them. In Maine, where the economy has been dying for a long while.

Thanks, Job Creators! Heckuva Job, at least with the propaganda.

 

[Jhhnn]

Also require sterilization as part of the pogrom. Pointless not to attack the issue from all angles.

Not enough self righteous bullshit in free birth control & abortion on demand, huh?

Much better to control people, huh? Bend them to your will or their children will go hungry!

Free! Freedom! and Liberty!

 

[werepossum]

Which is merely a reflection of the economic disparities involved wrt political identification.

"I got mine!" is pretty much the Repub motto.

"I got mine, and I want yours too!" is pretty much the proggie motto.

For Jhhnn and senseamp - please note the posts by BoberFett above

Regretfully, I do not have the capability to link you to an audio recording because reading comprehension seems to out of the bleeding heart type style of learning

lol +1

Besides the other qualifiers (work programs, volunteer work) others cited I take issue with you math:

It isn't $2.43/hr for 80 hours (20/wk).

It is 160 hours x minimum wage + $194/mo.

So if someone does not want to volunteer or go into a training program and get free food for such the other option is they make at minimum $7.25/hr. 80 hours/mo. of such is gross $580. $580 + SNAP is a lot more than JUST SNAP.

So what is better for the individual? A free handout and $194/mo?

Or $194 + $580 /or/ work training /or/ volunteer work (i.e. contribute back just as society is contributing to them)

"Working" is only bad if you believe work is beneath you, feel entitled, and believe society owes you something.

The situation would be even better in my state as the minimum wage is $9.47/hr and the city is converting to $15/hr. $1,200 gross for a minimum wage part time job + subsidies is better for the individual than handouts. If you want to help people help them do and be something productive.

There are plenty of charities out there to give Charity. The government isn't helping society by taxing citizens to redistribute to members of society who refuse to contribute yet are capable of such. That is their choice, but that also means their choice is not to eat. As the OP noted caveats about dependents and ability to work--as well as a post 3 month unemployment window.

Can you work?
Have you been unemployed more than 3 months?
Have no dependents?

If YES to all three THEN you either need to improve your hirability or get a part time job IF you want aid. I am offended some people find this offensive! As tax payers don't we have a right to set standards for who gets citizen funds?

Really, truly, if individuals want to give to people who refuse to work/improve their life then those individuals should give to such. Using the government as a tool to enable these undesirable character traits is a long term loss. Kindness and compassion sometimes means not enabling.

Well said. As long as Maine can afford it and has productive work that is useful but otherwise would not be done, or that the state would otherwise have to contract out, I support this program.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well said. As long as Maine can afford it and has productive work that is useful but otherwise would not be done, or that the state would otherwise have to contract out, I support this program.

Like I said, if the system can create enough hungry people, they can effectively lower the minimum wage to $2.43/hr, paid in SNAP script rather than real money, lay off more workers & cut taxes for the financial elite, the only people who'll have any money at all.

And you go down on it like a cheap hooker for a Benjamin.

 

[BoberFett]

Like I said, if the system can create enough hungry people, they can effectively lower the minimum wage to $2.43/hr, paid in SNAP script rather than real money, lay off more workers & cut taxes for the financial elite, the only people who'll have any money at all.

And you go down on it like a cheap hooker for a Benjamin.

You're right. They should eliminate SNAP entirely so fuckstains like you can't complain about it.

You sound loco.

 

[werepossum]

Like I said, if the system can create enough hungry people, they can effectively lower the minimum wage to $2.43/hr, paid in SNAP script rather than real money, lay off more workers & cut taxes for the financial elite, the only people who'll have any money at all.

And you go down on it like a cheap hooker for a Benjamin.

Maine's results indicate that the system produced three times as many opportunistic parasites as hungry people.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you're a sadistic evil right-winger dedicated to reintroducing slavery, apparently. At least, to those with only one throbbing brain cell remaining.

 

[Jhhnn]

Maine's results indicate that the system produced three times as many opportunistic parasites as hungry people.

Jump to conclusions often enough & it just comes naturally, huh?

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you're a sadistic evil right-winger dedicated to reintroducing slavery, apparently. At least, to those with only one throbbing brain cell remaining.

Mmmmm! Delectable platitudes!

 

[Jhhnn]

You're right. They should eliminate SNAP entirely so fuckstains like you can't complain about it.

You sound loco.

I haven't complained about SNAP at all, making that a straw man argument.

Not that you're capable of realizing that your attitude puts you in a position where you need to resort to that, obviously.

 

[waggy]

Like I said, if the system can create enough hungry people, they can effectively lower the minimum wage to $2.43/hr, paid in SNAP script rather than real money, lay off more workers & cut taxes for the financial elite, the only people who'll have any money at all.

And you go down on it like a cheap hooker for a Benjamin.

so what do you want to do? continue to just give them snap benifits without anything?

Also require sterilization as part of the pogrom. Pointless not to attack the issue from all angles.

IF it does that needs to be taken out.

 

[waggy]

Maine's results indicate that the system produced three times as many opportunistic parasites as hungry people.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you're a sadistic evil right-winger dedicated to reintroducing slavery, apparently. At least, to those with only one throbbing brain cell remaining.

heh

 

[soulcougher73]

Why do i never get free hand outs and/or swag? This "working" thing is for the birds.

 

[ivwshane]

Why do i never get free hand outs and/or swag? This "working" thing is for the birds.

It's your choice, why haven't you chosen to take advantage of "free shit"? When you honestly answer that, your own question will be answered

 

[Jhhnn]

so what do you want to do? continue to just give them snap benifits without anything?

If we want people to work for benefits then we should provide the equivalent of minimum wage. $194/mo translates into 25 hrs/mo, not 80+.

Getting people to work isn't the point of this effort in Maine, anyway. The point is to pander to self righteous sentiment among the Repub base.

It's not likely they have job training programs in Maine w/ more than 9000 openings or that they ever plan to, either, or that people living in remote locations have the opportunity to participate in them or much volunteer work either.

Shee-it, Sherlock. The truth is that if we want people to live in places like rural Maine or Eastern Kentucky we'll have to subsidize them to do so because there aren't any jobs.

Righties are always moaning about the death of small town America but they're obviously unwilling to do anything about it. The Job Creators sure as Hell won't, bet on that.

 

[waggy]

If we want people to work for benefits then we should provide the equivalent of minimum wage. $194/mo translates into 25 hrs/mo, not 80+.

Getting people to work isn't the point of this effort in Maine, anyway. The point is to pander to self righteous sentiment among the Repub base.

It's not likely they have job training programs in Maine w/ more than 9000 openings or that they ever plan to, either, or that people living in remote locations have the opportunity to participate in them or much volunteer work either.

Shee-it, Sherlock. The truth is that if we want people to live in places like rural Maine or Eastern Kentucky we'll have to subsidize them to do so because there aren't any jobs.

Righties are always moaning about the death of small town America but they're obviously unwilling to do anything about it. The Job Creators sure as Hell won't, bet on that.

Ok if there are jobs they should go get them. IF not. it sounds like this is good because its training or volenteer programs wich there is always a need

so the option is just flat out give them money or ask for them to do something.

Is it as much as min wage? but again so what?

I am all for helping. I do not that we just give stuff and don't ask for anything in return. give a hand up not a hand out.

 

[Linux23]

funny how people go apeshit because poor people and a fraction of those who are scammers, need a little assistance.

but when the bankers in wall street gambled and lost during the sub prime era, and we footed the bill for their mea culpa, in which they still continued to give themselves big bonuses, we don't give two shits?

pretty sad.

edit:

oh, i can't remember wall street doing shit to get their billions in tax payer handouts now did they?

 

[soulcougher73]

funny how people go apeshit because poor people and a fraction of those who are scammers, need a little assistance.

but when the bankers in wall street gambled and lost during the sub prime era, and we footed the bill for their mea culpa, in which they still continued to give themselves big bonuses, we don't give two shits?

pretty sad.

edit:

oh, i can't remember wall street doing shit to get their billions in tax payer handouts now did they?

Actually that was talked about a lot on this forum and most were against it.

 

[nickqt]

Geez, it seems like these jurisdictions could just, uh, create jobs for the volunteer activities and then pay the people for those jobs rather than going around and around in circles to call it volunteering and food stamps and welfare, etc.

Not only would it be effectively the same thing, but instead of it being called welfare and then demonized, it would just be a job that someone could list on a resume as current employment, which is pretty much a requirement now, in this economy, to get another job.

Already employed? Come on in for an interview. Not employed? Forget about it.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Which is merely a reflection of the economic disparities involved wrt political identification.

"I got mine!" is pretty much the Repub motto.

but but... republicans are all poor hicks that live in trailer homes. Right?




Nice try with your generalizing. You try to generalize them as poor, now in this situation you generalize them as rich. Which is it?

 

[nickqt]

but but... republicans are all poor hicks that live in trailer homes. Right?




Nice try with your generalizing. You try to generalize them as poor, now in this situation you generalize them as rich. Which is it?

The upper crust are extremely wealthy. And they use tribalism "us.v. them" wedge issues to get the trailer park rabble to be their very useful idiots.

It ain't rocket science.

 

[zinfamous]

I like it. Get people working, get them involved. I think half of the legitimately lazy people are probably lazy because they simply have nothing to be proud about/live for/are fucking depressed or whatever.

It gets them involved, seratonin pumping, and for at least some percentage of them, can turn them into useful, productive, and even successful citizens--and they never would have thought that possible. If they just drop out and don't even try, well, no harm really. If they have no dependents, then they only hurt themselves. More tacos for me. Win-win.

File this under: "Yet another government program telling people what is best for them" that I like.

:thumbsup:

 

[ivwshane]

Geez, it seems like these jurisdictions could just, uh, create jobs for the volunteer activities and then pay the people for those jobs rather than going around and around in circles to call it volunteering and food stamps and welfare, etc.

Not only would it be effectively the same thing, but instead of it being called welfare and then demonized, it would just be a job that someone could list on a resume as current employment, which is pretty much a requirement now, in this economy, to get another job.

Already employed? Come on in for an interview. Not employed? Forget about it.

True but any minute now the job creators are going to come through.

/s

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Do you grow your meat too?

Last I checked cows, chickens, and pigs weren't picked and those working in processing plants get paid much better than your beloved veggie pickers.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

He's just ranting about me pointing out that illegals picking his veggies and/or growing his meat in another thread. He wants Americans bent over in those fields instead.

Goes to show your true ignorance in the matter, most farms that produce meats are family owned and operated without help from illegals.

 

[Angry Irishman]

If we want people to work for benefits then we should provide the equivalent of minimum wage. $194/mo translates into 25 hrs/mo, not 80+.

Getting people to work isn't the point of this effort in Maine, anyway. The point is to pander to self righteous sentiment among the Repub base.

It's not likely they have job training programs in Maine w/ more than 9000 openings or that they ever plan to, either, or that people living in remote locations have the opportunity to participate in them or much volunteer work either.

Shee-it, Sherlock. The truth is that if we want people to live in places like rural Maine or Eastern Kentucky we'll have to subsidize them to do so because there aren't any jobs.

Righties are always moaning about the death of small town America but they're obviously unwilling to do anything about it. The Job Creators sure as Hell won't, bet on that.

BAT SHIT CRAZY your hate clouds your logic again

 

[JockoJohnson]

I missed the part where the ABLE-BODIED people on SNAP have to volunteer for the government. You mean they couldn't volunteer for a church, the local YMCA, etc?

Should other volunteers who aren't on SNAP also get paid minimum wage? I thought people who volunteer their time typically don't get paid because well....it's fucking volunteering. Why is everyone equating volunteering to earning a minimum wage?