Need to work for your handout

[sm625]

I have been thinking lately that a program like (EIC), Earned Income Credit, is better than welfare. The reason I like it is that if you work at least part time for 6 months and make somewhere around $8k-$12k, you can get back about $8,k on your taxes. You get some kind of EIC payment or credit, plus one exemption for yourself and one for each dependent child. However, you have to work for it. It makes that measly part time job look a little better.

I dont know where you get those numbers from. With one child, and $10k of income, your EIC would be $3350. That is the equivalent of a 33.5% higher wage. At any rate, I do agree somewhat. It is an extra $280 a month which is often better than the food stamps. The problem is they also give up cash assistance and have to pay additional expenses. The most common ones being a car payment and daycare. There is no way it makes sense to get off of $250 a month of food and $250 a month in cash assistance just to get a job where all your money goes into a car payment, additional insurance, and daycare. Add potential child support increases onto that and the hole gets even deeper. Friend of the court is one of the biggest reason people get on and stay on welfare. It is the only way to get any income without having literally all of it taken by child support and unavoidable work related expenses. And when I say literally all, I mean literally all, as in 100%. When you do the math it literally works out to having no additional money compared to being on welfare. Unfortunately once you are stuck in a situation where it is most economical to remain on welfare, you end up with zero future earning potential.

 

[werepossum]

HAHAHA

That is the most amazingly dumb thing I have heard in a while. Jesus that is dumb.

Well, he has a reputation to uphold. He can't just rest on yesterday's stupidity.

 

[Vic]

Well, he has a reputation to uphold. He can't just rest on yesterday's stupidity.

Well, he's a lot more right than you might realize (or be willing to admit). For example, most of the rural counties here in Oregon would be unable to provide basic services (like schools and police) without their federal 'timber dollars.'

 

[feralkid]

I don't think that being able to get pregnant should qualify a person for welfare or food stamps. That seems like a personal problem to me.

Which person, the mother or the child?

 

[werepossum]

Well, he's a lot more right than you might realize (or be willing to admit). For example, most of the rural counties here in Oregon would be unable to provide basic services (like schools and police) without their federal 'timber dollars.'

Okay, I can completely believe that people in rural Oregon would be raising opium poppies if not for the federal government. Isn't that the whole point of moving to Oregon?

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, he's a lot more right than you might realize (or be willing to admit). For example, most of the rural counties here in Oregon would be unable to provide basic services (like schools and police) without their federal 'timber dollars.'

Well, yeh, but Righties are too busy demonizing poor people as moochers to even try to understand quite why they are so numerous or why the middle class is descending to working class status.

That, and cheering on the mighty Job Creators!

They're so well indoctrinated that they can't even contemplate how that might fit together.

 

[Vic]

Okay, I can completely believe that people in rural Oregon would be raising opium poppies if not for the federal government. Isn't that the whole point of moving to Oregon?

Well.. not actually opium poppies.

Oregon isn't actually the solid blue state that people back east seem to think it is. Only the cities of Portland, Eugene, and Corvallis vote Dem in large numbers. Suburban Portland metro area is kinda 50-50, while rural Oregon is as conservative as the Deep South.

 

[stormkroe]

Only 2,680 out of 9000 were willing to work for their welfare. Pretty amazing. That means that a lot of those people on food stamps were phonies and just milking the system. I think that people on welfare should indeed be made to work for their benefits. However, I think the rate of reimbursement should be at minimum wage. It's unjust that the state can basically get these people to work at an effective rate of ~$2.58/hr.

I haven't lived in the US for a decade, so I honestly don't know if the OP is true. But if it IS true, isn't it saying that the gov will give you 3 months of payout, after which it will subsidize your pay an extra ~$2.50/hr to help further ween you from aid? If so, it's intellectually dishonest to say you're working for 1/3 min wage because you're not working FOR the snap, you just happen to receive it as a bonus from the gov by working for your EMPLOYER. To take the hyperbole in the other direction, we could say that people who get it for free those first 3 months are making more than $11,640 per minute because they actually aren't even working that long.
Also, if the 24hrs of volunteer work is true, then you're looking at about $8.00/hr, close to the min wage that people are demanding here.

 

[werepossum]

Well.. not actually opium poppies.

Oregon isn't actually the solid blue state that people back east seem to think it is. Only the cities of Portland, Eugene, and Corvallis vote Dem in large numbers. Suburban Portland metro area is kinda 50-50, while rural Oregon is as conservative as the Deep South.

I did a theater in Corvallis a long time ago. Freakin' horrible experience. City officials had zero concept of something not belonging to them, made us spend a fortune on the interior making it to their tastes and adding a bunch of stuff so that they could use it as a convention center. It's a movie theater, and it ain't yours, dude.

All the Oregonners I have known have been major stoners. Of course, none of them still lived in Oregon, so maybe my perceptions are skewed.