Need to work for your handout

[cabri]

For Jhhnn and senseamp - please note the posts by BoberFett above

Regretfully, I do not have the capability to link you to an audio recording because reading comprehension seems to out of the bleeding heart type style of learning

 

[Humpy]

There is plenty of work that needs done which these people can do to earn their handouts like thinning the forests, pedaling human powered electricity generators, and hauling water up to municipal storage tanks. Our leaders should think about the bigger picture here.

 

[theeedude]

Another fucking stupid person who cant read.

participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements

So many illiterate bleeding hearts.

Why would a city/county pay someone to do a job if they have free labor working for state food stamps? So effectively these "volunteers" are going to take some working person's job.

 

[Ban Bot]

Lemme see....

Max SNAP benefits for a single person are $194/mo. At 20 hrs/week work requirement, that's less than $2.43/hr, about 1/3 of minimum wage.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/how-much-could-i-receive

If the system can create enough desperately poor people it's cheaper than hiring illegals.

Besides the other qualifiers (work programs, volunteer work) others cited I take issue with you math:

It isn't $2.43/hr for 80 hours (20/wk).

It is 160 hours x minimum wage + $194/mo.

So if someone does not want to volunteer or go into a training program and get free food for such the other option is they make at minimum $7.25/hr. 80 hours/mo. of such is gross $580. $580 + SNAP is a lot more than JUST SNAP.

So what is better for the individual? A free handout and $194/mo?

Or $194 + $580 /or/ work training /or/ volunteer work (i.e. contribute back just as society is contributing to them)

"Working" is only bad if you believe work is beneath you, feel entitled, and believe society owes you something.

The situation would be even better in my state as the minimum wage is $9.47/hr and the city is converting to $15/hr. $1,200 gross for a minimum wage part time job + subsidies is better for the individual than handouts. If you want to help people help them do and be something productive.

There are plenty of charities out there to give Charity. The government isn't helping society by taxing citizens to redistribute to members of society who refuse to contribute yet are capable of such. That is their choice, but that also means their choice is not to eat. As the OP noted caveats about dependents and ability to work--as well as a post 3 month unemployment window.

Can you work?
Have you been unemployed more than 3 months?
Have no dependents?

If YES to all three THEN you either need to improve your hirability or get a part time job IF you want aid. I am offended some people find this offensive! As tax payers don't we have a right to set standards for who gets citizen funds?

Really, truly, if individuals want to give to people who refuse to work/improve their life then those individuals should give to such. Using the government as a tool to enable these undesirable character traits is a long term loss. Kindness and compassion sometimes means not enabling.

 

[Ban Bot]

Why would a city/county pay someone to do a job if they have free labor working for state food stamps? So effectively these "volunteers" are going to take some working person's job.

Because if the city/county has them doing a regular job they are called an employee and covered by the laws, including wages, regarding employees.

There are many forms of volunteer work that would be free; "labor ready" style work wouldn't pass legal muster for long. e.g. Workers comp, file unemployment, etc. and see the government swiftly identify them as exploited workers and the government defrauded of funds required for comp, unemployment, etc.

It isn't as easy as, "Legally force volunteer work and then hire them as cheap un-paid labor."

 

[theeedude]

Besides the other qualifiers (work programs, volunteer work) others cited I take issue with you math:

It isn't $2.43/hr for 80 hours (20/wk).

It is 160 hours x minimum wage + $194/mo.

So if someone does not want to volunteer or go into a training program and get free food for such the other option is they make at minimum $7.25/hr. 80 hours/mo. of such is gross $580. $580 + SNAP is a lot more than JUST SNAP.

And $1160 per month is better than $194 SNAP. If there were jobs for these people to work for even minimum wage full time, they would already be working them. What Maine just created is an incentive for even more people to apply for disability. Then they'll get SNAP and a disability check. In the end, this will cost the state more, but the idiot governor will parade around like a fiscal savior.

 

[theeedude]

Because if the city/county has them doing a regular job they are called an employee and covered by the laws, including wages, regarding employees.

There are many forms of volunteer work that would be free; "labor ready" style work wouldn't pass legal muster for long. e.g. Workers comp, file unemployment, etc. and see the government swiftly identify them as exploited workers and the government defrauded of funds required for comp, unemployment, etc.

It isn't as easy as, "Legally force volunteer work and then hire them as cheap un-paid labor."

They will can regular employees with employee rights, and instead use free "volunteers." Great for the guys doing the work now. They'll get canned so Maine's idiot governor can parade around pretending to have saved them money.

 

[JSt0rm]

The moment somebody gets hurt who has been paying into workers comp? With the variation in type of work do we know the workers comp classification?

 

[unokitty]

"And in my own life, in my own small way, I've tried to give back to this country that has given me so much. That's why I left a job at a law firm for a career in public service, working to empower young people to volunteer in their communities. Because I believe that each of us--no matter what our age or background or walk of life--each of us has something to contribute to the life of this nation."

-M. Obama

 

[theeedude]

Working for food stamps is not volunteering. It's a below minimum wage crappy job that pays foodstamps.

 

[cabri]

Working for food stamps is not volunteering. It's a below minimum wage crappy job that pays foodstamps.

It is called giving back to the community for what they are providing to you.:\

 

[waggy]

Working for food stamps is not volunteering. It's a below minimum wage crappy job that pays foodstamps.

then they should get a real job and get off foodstamps.
IF not able to. then They should do SOMETHING to earn the foodstamps.

Why just give it to them?


I just don't understand the argument against this

 

[Londo_Jowo]

then they should get a real job and get off foodstamps.
IF not able to. then They should do SOMETHING to earn the foodstamps.

Why just give it to them?


I just don't understand the argument against this

If they were picking his veggies then he would be all good with it.

 

[Subyman]

Another fucking stupid person who cant read.

participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements

So many illiterate bleeding hearts.

Curious if the "volunteering" was put in there to get around the shit conversion of food stamp $ per hour they'd be getting. They can't call it a job.

 

[ivwshane]

I'd be interested in seeing how this turns out. Specifically I wonder how it will impact crime. I also wonder if it will have it's intended effects, will job growth increase, will unemployment decrease, will average hours worked increase? And lastly, I'm curious to see how long/quickly we start to see results.



Also, what were the requirements before?

 

[theeedude]

If they were picking his veggies then he would be all good with it.

They are your veggies too.

 

[waggy]

I'd be interested in seeing how this turns out. Specifically I wonder how it will impact crime. I also wonder if it will have it's intended effects, will job growth increase, will unemployment decrease, will average hours worked increase? And lastly, I'm curious to see how long/quickly we start to see results.



Also, what were the requirements before?

same.

I think the posible positives are great. Besides doing something to help the community and fill the requirements to get food-stamps. I am not sure on job growth. but hopefully more positive comes from it.

I for one think it is good that people take classes or volunteer.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

They are your veggies too.

No, they are not my veggies as I grow my own.

 

[theeedude]

People working for food stamps will suppress currently working people's wages or get them canned. The only upside to this farce is that no one is actually going to work 80 hours a month for 194 food stamps. So what you'll get is hundreds of thousands of dollars not spent at Maine's grocery stores, and some people canned there as a result, people going on permanent disability, and people just getting a friend to sign off they worked for 20 hours a week.

 

[theeedude]

No, they are not my veggies as I grow my own.

Do you grow your meat too?

 

[BoberFett]

If they were picking his veggies then he would be all good with it.

Win.

 

[waggy]

Do you grow your meat too?

what does that have to do with it? the odds on anyone who is on this program is going to work on a ranch is tiny. In fact i would put it near zero.

 

[theeedude]

He's just ranting about me pointing out that illegals picking his veggies and/or growing his meat in another thread. He wants Americans bent over in those fields instead.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Also require sterilization as part of the pogrom. Pointless not to attack the issue from all angles.

 

[Jhhnn]

participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements.

participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements.

participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements.

Are you fucking stupid?

Participate to receive a maximum of $194/mo in SNAP benefits. If you're forced to do it to get the benefits, how in that "volunteering"? And what sort of training programs are open & funded in Maine, other than the blue sky variety?