[Need advice]What CPU should I get?

[soccerballtux]

Don, I think we're falling for one of those AMD pulled stunts again, as in the op might be another durvalle7 something. notice all these new users coming in asking about AMD, when NO one in their right mind would even consider AMD at this point.

yeah I wonder about that sometimes.

 

[borisvodofsky]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147060

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152181

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161405

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703035

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820313255

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.954119

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7850 vs 7770? Herp derp:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

As for that PSU vs the Seasonic 520, with the Seasonic's $9 in shipping it makes it the same price as the PC Power and Cooling after promo, and the PC Power and Cooling has a $20 rebate on top.

HAHAHA, yea this is actually a better list for the OP's budget because of the fan favorite i5, 2500k

I myself Hesitated to recommend i5 2500k-s anymore because people are such anal teens with the pcie-3.0 and "future compatibility" bullshit.

Even though I deeply believe the 2500k and 2600k are MUCH better investment due to their long tested service record, AND easy overclockability.

It overclocks to 4.8ghz with no heat problems whatsoever, on aftermarket cooler of course

 

[borisvodofsky]

yeah I wonder about that sometimes.

Vitamin water, and gatorade does the same thing where they hire actors to go to college campuses and have mock conversations with each-other about the details of vitamin water.

like

One guy poses as an athelete, usually black guy

And a white guy who's the rep,

And another fat kid or something will randomly go ask people what flavor they like the best. :'(

Why can't the fat kid be the athlete??

 

[cmdrdredd]

dragon's head + snake's tail,

vs

snake's head + dragon's tail


They're both equally bad.

Patience is a virtue, just wait until you have enough saved up to get double dragons.


PS, amd bulldozer completely under performs in games compared to Intel while their prices are the same.

Unfortunately some people are on strict budgets and it's one or the other. There is noi "wait for next month" because they are that strapped and it's a lot just to spend $600 or so on the entire thing. For those people I do have sympathy for and can understand if they would rather have a GTX 670 than a GTX 560ti for example when they are running GPU dependent games.

 

[borisvodofsky]

Unfortunately some people are on strict budgets and it's one or the other. There is noi "wait for next month" because they are that strapped and it's a lot just to spend $600 or so on the entire thing. For those people I do have sympathy for and can understand if they would rather have a GTX 670 than a GTX 560ti for example when they are running GPU dependent games.

The people who are "that" strapped for cash are very uncommon. We're talking an adjustment of $100-200. this is not anything like buying a car.

 

[pcsavvy]

I beg to differ. There are some people who have money burning holes in their pockets and others who have to monitor where every penny goes. Some people can afford to upgrade every 6 months while others have to build a machine that can last for 3-5 years.
For those on real tight budgets AMD makes the best sense, maybe not so much for bragging rights but to get the best balance of a cpu and a gpu with the least dollars and be able to afford as much of the extra bells and whistles that go into building a nice, affordable, and lasting system that one can be happy with and not worry about blowing the budget for the next few months.

Edit: This is especially true if you are building a complete system and not just upgrading the cpu, gpu and motherboard.

 

[Citizen X]

AMD :thumbsup:

 

[Meghan54]

I myself Hesitated to recommend i5 2500k-s anymore because people are such anal teens with the pcie-3.0 and "future compatibility" bullshit.

Even though I deeply believe the 2500k and 2600k are MUCH better investment due to their long tested service record, AND easy overclockability.

So let me ask you.....were you hesitant to recommend the 2500k/2600k when they first came out? Were you very concerned about them delivering a long term service record at that point, something you seem to beating the drum about concerning the 3570k/3770k cpus?

Because if you didn't, quit being so hypocritical. I have yet to see any long term problems with any Intel cpu that's been released since the 8086/8088 days.

And the PCIe 3.0 compatibility isn't bullshit, dude. It's something that will come into play much sooner than you think....future compatibility is something to consider if buying today, which is why so many recommend the IVB cpus these days. No sense spending your hard earned money on last gen. tech. when there's something a little better.

 

[AsusGuy]

I find this all very funny. I agree with people who have stated the obvious point that the Intel vs. AMD debate is worthless due to price/performance. AMD and Intel are close in price and far apart in performance with Intel leading in performance. I would feel better about pointing someone twoard the platform that gives them the best price/performance benefit. That being said I got the AsRock Extreme 4 and 3570k combo at MicroCenter and I'm very happy with it.

 

[Magic Carpet]

From a political/economical standpoint, we should all be buying AMD products, though. Support the underdog

(But personally, my last AMD purchase was a 1090T processor last year).

 

[ponyxslayer]

After almost a month of research, I am confident this PC build should fit my needs. What do you guys think? I cannot afford to go any higher than 900$

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ctiB
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ctiB/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ctiB/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($132.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Apex SK-393-C ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.15 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec 550W ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($90.65 @ Amazon)
Total: $829.59
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

 

[Hatisherrif]

acheee achheeeemm... well you see, an amd processor is too slow to run games at any resolution.

I've read the information inside your blog, and those results are very skewed, further proving that amd can't game worth crap.

The benchmark runs in you sig, seems to be heavily biased information. I can't say this enough.


AMD faildozer is Garbage. :whiste:

You are very arrogant. Call the cops on this guy.

You need to OC..alot to get the same performance. And at what, 3x the power consumption? AMD is just horrible in any way. AMD still sits back in 2006 performance.

#2 ignorant

He said he wants to play modern games. Modern games require lots of CPU. Therefore AMD is out of the running.

Please just stop spreading your FUD.

#3 - also very rude

No, I don't have to respect your opinion... Sorry.

#4 rude - Do you think yours deserves respect?

Graphs speak for themselves.

They seem to speak: "There are a few games that favor Intel. In the others, even an old Phenom II matches Intel. If you want to game at 800x600 to expose a CPU bottleneck, Intel will be way better. If you are a normal user, you don't do this and don't care for this. 10fps is not that much of a difference at 100fps+."

#5 biased

AMD :thumbsup:

#6 irresponsible - It's not your money, so this is a very irresponsible post.

After almost a month of research, I am confident this PC build should fit my needs. What do you guys think? I cannot afford to go any higher than 900$

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ctiB
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ctiB/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ctiB/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($132.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Apex SK-393-C ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.15 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec 550W ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($90.65 @ Amazon)
Total: $829.59
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

I couldn't have built it better myself. +1 for this from me.


My work here is done!
*flies away*

 

[Phynaz]

Get the MB from Microcenter too, they have it for $90 when bought with a CPU.

 

[lakedude]

After almost a month of research, I am confident this PC build should fit my needs. What do you guys think? I cannot afford to go any higher than 900$

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ctiB
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ctiB/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ctiB/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($132.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Apex SK-393-C ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.15 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec 550W ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($90.65 @ Amazon)
Total: $829.59
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

Very nice! You put together a nice, well balanced machine.

 

[soccerballtux]

video card woefully underpowered though with overclocking it'll be decent.

 

[Phynaz]

7850 underpowered? To do what?
That's just BS.

 

[Hatisherrif]

nevermind

 

[soccerballtux]

7850 underpowered? To do what?
That's just BS.

underpowered as in that CPU could feed a hungrier beast..

 

[Phynaz]

Oh well, yeah, that CPU could feed anything

 

[lakedude]

video card woefully underpowered though with overclocking it'll be decent.

The system had a total budget of $800 if I recall correctly. The choice was pretty much between the 7770 and the 7850. Given the budget constraints the 7850 is an excellent choice IMHO. Ponyxslayer did a great job putting this system together given his budget.

 

[urbanmidnight]

Check out this list of official pc mark scores notice no I5 on the list scored higher than 8150 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html. The 6 series holds it's own too none of these cpus could bottleneck a modern game that's absolute rubbish. Comparing Amd processors with a Max price of 250 to Intel ones that are over 3 times the price is ridiculous. Yeah Intel has the highest power but you'll pay silly amounts of cash, if you want a great processor that runs games like Bf3 at 1920x1080 at high settings easy, these processors are more than capable. Plus don't forget you can easily add 1ghz or more to the stock clock which most Fx users do which many dont take into account.

 

[Arkaign]

Oh well, yeah, that CPU could feed anything

True. The 7850 2GB is a great great card for 1080p though.

They should hold their value fairly well. For ~$800ish there really isn't a better build possible right now imho.

If OP wanted, he could go ahead with this build, then over a few months save a couple hundred bucks up, sell the 7850, and get a 7970GE or 680PCB 670 or something.

 

[Arkaign]

Check out this list of official pc mark scores notice no I5 on the list scored higher than 8150 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html. The 6 series holds it's own too none of these cpus could bottleneck a modern game that's absolute rubbish. Comparing Amd processors with a Max price of 250 to Intel ones that are over 3 times the price is ridiculous. Yeah Intel has the highest power but you'll pay silly amounts of cash, if you want a great processor that runs games like Bf3 at 1920x1080 at high settings easy, these processors are more than capable. Plus don't forget you can easily add 1ghz or more to the stock clock which most Fx users do which many dont take into account.

Oh boy. You've picked the wrong place to bring silly bias to. This entire post is nonsense.

"You'll pay silly amounts of cash"? A 2500k, which is $159 at MC, and $200ish at most places will meet and beat any AMD CPU in basically any game out there (OC to 4ghz+ easily). All with lower power and better mobo chipsets. Herp derp.

AMD is not a bad company at all. Great GPUs (the best right now imho, even as a 670FTW owner), but their CPUs are not very competitve at all right now.

This has been proven over and over and over and over, there's no space here for BS. As a forum, we know what's up with current tech, and nonsense like this post of yours gets rightfully exposed as either fanboy drivel or marketing shill threadcrapping.

 

[Agent11]

It used to be you could save a few hundred dollars going AMD for the processor and motherboard and spend more on other areas of a budget build, Intel is slaughtering AMD with their current pricing though.

 

[Arkaign]

It used to be you could save a few hundred dollars going AMD for the processor and motherboard and spend more on other areas of a budget build, Intel is slaughtering AMD with their current pricing though.

Yep. Basically this was the rule during much of the P4 days, particularly when they were still tied to rambus. Once the DDR P4 boards were out, overclockers could take a 1.6A, 2.4B, etc up to very good speeds (as fast as anything that was out), but if you ever bought the top-end P4, it was a heavily overpriced mess.

When Athlon64 came about, AMD basically decided to do on-par pricing (eg; A64 3000+ = P4 3Ghz price). Although Athlon64 was my preferred chip, they compared pretty evenly, P4 winning a few gaming/encoding benchmarks, and A64 winning more gaming and most everything else. But AMD started ramping out A64 chips that Intel couldn't keep up with, and with the Prescott debacle AMD got spoiled with very high prices. During the time Socket 939 Athlon X2s were the top dog, their prices ranged from $300-$1000. This didn't end until after C2D hit the shelves. I built and loved a couple of Athlon 64 X2s during this timeframe along with an Opty 165, but never could justify keeping them, so I sold them and built out a dirt-cheap overclocked PD-805 for 1/3rd the price. It was as fast as a stock 3800+X2 once I oc'ed the piss out of it. Of course my A64 duals once overclocked were WAY faster, I decided that the cheap Pentium D was good enough for a while.

I think AMD value came back for a while with the Phenom II series. But nothing in my mind sticks out as much as Intel's true idiotic days when the P4 1.5Ghz was like $1k, stuck with RDRAM that cost like $800 for 256MB RD800, and needed a crazy pricey mobo. You could just get an Athlon XP 1500+ and BAM just as fast in everything except perhaps encoding and Quake3, overclock a little and be faster in everything. It got even better once the Nforce2 chipset hit and truly brought out the best AXP performance capabilities. The VIA chipsets never were quite as fast, even very late with the KT400 it felt like a 2nd-rate performer compared to (RIP) a good Abit NF2 board. Ironic that Nvidia helped AMD so much at that time