[Need advice]What CPU should I get?

[ponyxslayer]

I have been reading this debate, and I have to say I have learned quite alot about CPU's and GPU's in the last 10 min. ^_^ It seems you have agreed on the 7850 being a better GPU choice?
Since I am not an expert on the matter I really don't know what CPU is better. The only real thing I looked at when browsing GPU's was the Ghz, price, and how many cores it had.
For deciding what CPU I should get I think you should understand that I don't care about getting some crazy fast CPU that games will never use all of its power. Just something for my budget that will be able to play modern games, and new games for the next 2-3 years on at least Medium-Max.
Once again, thank you for all the great information, I really appreciate the help.

 

[Phynaz]

Sorry you have to get stuck in the middle of another fanboy argument. Really, stick with the 3570K, especially if you want to get a long lifetime out of it. Just read the reviews and you will see it is much, much better of a CPU. Who knows what you will want to do 2 or 3 years from now? Who knows what kind of CPU a game will need 2 or 3 years from now? Do you want to risk not having enough?

Buying AMD sticks you to an under-performing dead platform. Anybody recommending it is doing you a disservice. Notice the only argument (and from only one person) is the Bulldozer is just as good in a specific situation?

Here's the counter argument: The Intel CPU is much better at almost everything. Performance. Power consumption. Longevity. Heat and noise.

And yes, if the 7850 is in your budget, it's a killer GPU.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yep,

Use this:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33601310&postcount=7

But skip the cooler and use the boxed one with the CPU. You can always replace it later. Then get the HD7850 and upgrade the GFX card a few years down the line. Then you got a system that will last you along time.

 

[Don Karnage]

I have been reading this debate, and I have to say I have learned quite alot about CPU's and GPU's in the last 10 min. ^_^ It seems you have agreed on the 7850 being a better GPU choice?
Since I am not an expert on the matter I really don't know what CPU is better. The only real thing I looked at when browsing GPU's was the Ghz, price, and how many cores it had.
For deciding what CPU I should get I think you should understand that I don't care about getting some crazy fast CPU that games will never use all of its power. Just something for my budget that will be able to play modern games, and new games for the next 2-3 years on at least Medium-Max.
Once again, thank you for all the great information, I really appreciate the help.

You said in your first post you wanted to play games like Crysis 2. Below is a test of CPU scaling. It only has Sandy bridge on it and a 3570K is a good 5-7% faster then a 2500K.

Do not waste money on amd. There are a lot of fanatics on this board that will bs you into thinking amd is just as good when it really is crap.

Get the Combo i linked for you. It will keep you a happy gamer down the line when you decide to go crossfire or SLI.

Graphs speak for themselves.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Or just check these with Ivy in it:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review/7

 

[borisvodofsky]

You said in your first post you wanted to play games like Crysis 2. Below is a test of CPU scaling. It only has Sandy bridge on it and a 3570K is a good 5-7% faster then a 2500K.

Do not waste money on amd. There are a lot of fanatics on this board that will bs you into thinking amd is just as good when it really is crap.

Get the Combo i linked for you. It will keep you a happy gamer down the line when you decide to go crossfire or SLI.

Graphs speak for themselves.

Don, I think we're falling for one of those AMD pulled stunts again, as in the op might be another durvalle7 something. notice all these new users coming in asking about AMD, when NO one in their right mind would even consider AMD at this point.

 

[Don Karnage]

Don, I think we're falling for one of those AMD pulled stunts again, as in the op might be another durvalle7 something. notice all these new users coming in asking about AMD, when NO one in their right mind would even consider AMD at this point.

If he wants to goto amd thats fine. You're just shooting yourself in the foot from the start.

 

[ponyxslayer]

Don, I think we're falling for one of those AMD pulled stunts again, as in the op might be another durvalle7 something. notice all these new users coming in asking about AMD, when NO one in their right mind would even consider AMD at this point.

I don't know if this is an inside joke, but like I said I was considering AMD because it had lower price, more cores, and higher Ghz. To me that seems like it was better. But I have seen the graphs and now know Intel is better for CPU

 

[Don Karnage]

I don't know if this is an inside joke, but like I said I was considering AMD because it had lower price, more cores, and higher Ghz. To me that seems like it was better. But I have seen the graphs and now know Intel is better for CPU

Its all good bro. Thats amd's marketing machine. It has more cores so it has to be better.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I don't know if this is an inside joke, but like I said I was considering AMD because it had lower price, more cores, and higher Ghz. To me that seems like it was better. But I have seen the graphs and now know Intel is better for CPU

Performance is fequency*IPC(instructions per clock).

And Bulldozer dont really have more cores. Its pretty misleading to call them 8 cores etc.

And in terms of performance/$. AMD dont have anything to offer either unfortunately.

Not to mention this:

 

[borisvodofsky]

I don't know if this is an inside joke, but like I said I was considering AMD because it had lower price, more cores, and higher Ghz. To me that seems like it was better. But I have seen the graphs and now know Intel is better for CPU

oh good. so you see now that AMD is absolutely garbage, and that there are people on this forum actively trying to sabotage your build? :whiste: begins with an A, ends with an A. that guy's evil

Intel is definitely the way to go.

From before, really consider harvesting some components from your old computer, you can eek out a good $100-200 more to spend towards the graphics card.

Do you live near microcenter?


This is called character assassination, it is a form of ad hominem personal attack.

Re: "and that there are people on this forum actively trying to sabotage your build? :whiste: begins with an A, ends with an A. that guy's evil "

Please don't do this, it isn't allowed, and if you persist in doing it then you'll leave us with little choice but to ask you to leave.

Administrator Idontcare

 

[guskline]

ponyxslayer: Look at my 3 rigs in my sig. The AMD rig 3, is the slowest regardless of what video card I put in it. I've been an AMD fan who resented Intel for years but the SandyBridge chips opened my eyes and the IvyBridge chips are better. It's YOUR $800, not Intel's or AMDs.

I cannot in good conscience recommend AMD CPUs over Intel CPUs. The pricing is too close and the Intel CPU gap of performance over AMD CPUs is so wide, especially in gaming.

 

[borisvodofsky]

ponyxslayer: Look at my 3 rigs in my sig. The AMD rig 3, is the slowest regardless of what video card I put in it. I've been an AMD fan who resented Intel for years but the SandyBridge chips opened my eyes and the IvyBridge chips are better. It's YOUR $800, not Intel's or AMDs.

I cannot in good conscience recommend AMD CPUs over Intel CPUs. The pricing is too close and the Intel CPU gap of performance over AMD CPUs is so wide, especially in gaming.

what are u using those 3 rigs for, you got kids?

 

[ponyxslayer]

Do you live near microcenter?

I dont know what microcenter is. Going to assume some kind of pc shop. I would probably order of newegg.ca

 

[Phynaz]

Microcenter is a small PC store chain in the US. They use CPU's as loss leaders to get you in the store. For example, the 3550k with an Asrock Extreme4 is $260 there.

 

[pcsavvy]

op, I am sorry that at times this has devolved into personal attacks. This is your build and your budget. Just weigh the overall cost vs perfomance for what you want to do with your build.
I use my build for casual gaming, watching hulu and netflix, and surfing the web. I personally chose AMD because the Athlon II 631 was the cheapest quad core I could get and still be able to get a high end m/b. I could not see spending over $100 on just a cpu just so I could be 2/10ths of a second faster playing Bejeweled Twist. I was hoping at the time that I might be able to upgrade my cpu but I am fine where I am.
I can moderately o/c if I want to and add in any level of gpu and not have to worry about holding it back for my needs.
It is not so great to have a high cost gpu and a low cost cpu, it is all about balance.
Everyone harps on power usage like AMD is one of those old american gas hogs that will send you to the poor house with super high electric bills. What is the true difference of having a bulldozer working for 4 hours a day vs an 2500k working for 4 hours a day, $50?? or $5??
Anyways, do your research, weigh the cost vs performance vs what applications you want to utilize and put together the best system that fits both your budget and expectations.
And always read reviews with a big grain of salt and some of the AMD vs Intel hyperbole.:whiste:

 

[cmdrdredd]

I think that if maybe you had to choose Intel and a low end GPU or AMD and a higher end GPU maybe it could have an impact on the decision. I would probably go Intel and do the GPU later, but if I were gaming at high resolutions(above 1920x1200) then I may want a better GPU right away.

 

[Durvelle27]

I think that if maybe you had to choose Intel and a low end GPU or AMD and a higher end GPU maybe it could have an impact on the decision. I would probably go Intel and do the GPU later, but if I were gaming at high resolutions(above 1920x1200) then I may want a better GPU right away.

+1

 

[borisvodofsky]

I think that if maybe you had to choose Intel and a low end GPU or AMD and a higher end GPU maybe it could have an impact on the decision. I would probably go Intel and do the GPU later, but if I were gaming at high resolutions(above 1920x1200) then I may want a better GPU right away.

dragon's head + snake's tail,

vs

snake's head + dragon's tail


They're both equally bad.

Patience is a virtue, just wait until you have enough saved up to get double dragons.


PS, amd bulldozer completely under performs in games compared to Intel while their prices are the same.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Very good list.

No it isn't. He's spending money on an aftermarket cooler and gimping the video card. That i5 at stock/light overclock using the intel HSF with a real video card > a massively overclocked i5 with a budget card.

Let me put something together.

 

[DominionSeraph]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147060

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152181

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161405

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703035

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820313255

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.954119

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7850 vs 7770? Herp derp:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

As for that PSU vs the Seasonic 520, with the Seasonic's $9 in shipping it makes it the same price as the PC Power and Cooling after promo, and the PC Power and Cooling has a $20 rebate on top.

 

[DominionSeraph]

I would probably order of newegg.ca

Grrrrrr.
Non-Americans should come with a sign.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Grrrrrr.
Non-Americans should come with a sign.

Why?

 

[DominionSeraph]

Why?

So I know not to waste 20 minutes of my time putting something together from a US-only store.
9 times out of 10 someone asking for a build on an English-speaking site is going to be from the US. It's quite annoying to go with that assumption, put together a newegg cart, and then have them to come back with, "Oh, I'm ordering from Australia/Canada/UK/Brazil/India and I can't get those prices."

 

[ShintaiDK]

Just make everyone note what store they buy from.