NAACP ask UN to investigate US voting rights laws

[blankslate]

Again, I don't have a problem with having someone present an ID. I have a problem with some of these laws that were worded to only allow state issued IDs or drivers licenses be the only form of ID recognized to be eligible to vote.

I agree and I think that they should include federally issued ID's as well. I am confident that language will eventually make its way in. Military ID's and passports are two obviously acceptable forms of ID that I can think of off hand.

Unfortunately there are some who have the situation of state IDs being the only acceptable form of id at voting station in mind when they advocate for voter ID laws.

If a voter ID law is suggested then they should specifically state military IDs and passports are acceptable IDs are acceptable.

Additionally some sort of public awareness program should be conducted after the passage of the law so that people who don't have a passport or aren't in the military can have a reasonable amount of time to get the appropriate ID.

 

[JSt0rm]

Why do you have minorities? Why are you suppressing minority voters by forcing them to register?

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_vr.htm


registering to vote isnt hard but it does stop what you fear most: multiple people voting hundreds of times to alter a election.

 

[chucky2]

If voting is so important to these students, why can't they just vote absentee ahead of time? They can't manage this (worse, being super smart students and all), but, people on the other side of the world can? WTF...

 

[Texashiker]

registering to vote isnt hard but it does stop what you fear most: multiple people voting hundreds of times to alter a election.

Did you see the movie "Gangs of New York", that is a good example of voter fraud.

 

[NeoV]

our voting system is so ridiculous, it's not even funny.

Everyone has a unique SS#, right? show a form of ID, with that number on it, if you want to vote.

It's really that simple.

If you don't have such a form of ID -tough shit, you can't vote.

Have it hooked up to a really basic - and of course very secure, database, and any controversy is over.

 

[JSt0rm]

Sure thing, troll.

What? Look up my posts on the 2nd amendment or ask anyone who I have talked to about it. I dont care about this wedge issue. I think it would be in the dems best interest to concede every point that the pro gun lobby wants.

My next step is to say why should the citizens only have access to small arms? The 2nd amaendment was made so that the citizens had the ability to over throw the government if it was being oppressed. At this point in time no group of citizens could ever overthrow the government. Isnt this a bad thing?

 

[xBiffx]

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_vr.htm


registering to vote isnt hard but it does stop what you fear most: multiple people voting hundreds of times to alter a election.

No, it simply doesn't stop anything. In the same way a form 4473 doesn't stop a prohibited person from purchasing a firearm. The information is collected and filed and may, may be verified after the fact. Even then, an error either intentional or accidental may be caught. I can answer all the questions falsely and enter incorrect information. Yes, this is a felony but what do I care, I'm about to do something else illegal anyways.

 

[Texashiker]

If voting is so important to these students, why can't they just vote absentee ahead of time? They can't manage this (worse, being super smart students and all), but, people on the other side of the world can? WTF...

That is the difference between children and adults.

 

[JSt0rm]

No, it simply doesn't stop anything. In the same way a form 4473 doesn't stop a prohibited person from purchasing a firearm. The information is collected and filed and may, may be verified after the fact. Even then, an error either intentional or accidental may be caught. I can answer all the questions falsely and enter incorrect information. Yes, this is a felony but what do I care, I'm about to do something else illegal anyways.

So you admit that the current voting registration has as much effect as the current gun registration and you want to make the voting registration harder while keeping the gun registration the same? Am I correct?

I think we should go 3rd world. I want 2 live in maids that i pay $250 a month. I want 2 armed guards with full auto weapons that I pay $300 a month. I want to live in a walled community protected from the rif raff and ONLY people who own real property (not shanties) are allowed to vote.

 

[xBiffx]

What? Look up my posts on the 2nd amendment or ask anyone who I have talked to about it. I dont care about this wedge issue. I think it would be in the dems best interest to concede every point that the pro gun lobby wants.

My next step is to say why should the citizens only have access to small arms? The 2nd amaendment was made so that the citizens had the ability to over throw the government if it was being oppressed. At this point in time no group of citizens could ever overthrow the government. Isnt this a bad thing?

The military is the only thing that has access to the ordnance, not arms, that you listed and not the government. The military is made up of fellow citizen, neighbors, people like you and me. The military isn't going to be an issue when it comes time to overthrow the government.

 

[dank69]

If someone decides not to vote, is their right suppressed?
If someone decides not to get the free ID card so they can vote, is their right suppressed?

I notice you put the word 'free' in there. And now you are using it, too, Fern:

Every time this issue comes up the Libs demand a list of voting fraud, saying if you can't document cases the problem doesn't exist.

How about this time you guys come up with a list of people who were improperly refused free ID and therefore couldn't vote?

By your logic if the list isn't substantial we shouldn't worry about it because it clearly isn't a real problem if you can't document it.

There a number of states which require ID so if people were having their voting rights suppressed because they were improperly refused a free ID we should know about it.

Fern

I don't know about your states but in CT a photo ID costs $22.50

Therefore, requiring someone to obtain a photo ID would be equivalent to levying a poll tax.

 

[xBiffx]

So you admit that the current voting registration has as much effect as the current gun registration and you want to make the voting registration harder while keeping the gun registration the same? Am I correct?

You missed the part about having to show ID as well didn't you. Not trying to make voting any harder than owning a gun. Rather trying to make them more the same. Rights should be equal amiright? So should the requirement to execute them.

 

[JSt0rm]

The military is the only thing that has access to the ordnance, not arms, that you listed and not the government. The military is made up of fellow citizen, neighbors, people like you and me. The military isn't going to be an issue when it comes time to overthrow the government.

Why do you say that? If there is a civil war I'm pretty sure people will take sides. The military is made up of people who take orders. If they are given a order to defend the capital from xbiffx and his band of tea party rebels they will do it.

I'm pretty sure the capital police could take care of most any insurgency. They have full auto assault rifles.

 

[HumblePie]

I notice you put the word 'free' in there. And now you are using it, too, Fern:

I don't know about your states but in CT a photo ID costs $22.50

Therefore, requiring someone to obtain a photo ID would be equivalent to levying a poll tax.

That is also true as well.

The whole problem and stink of this is that military and out of state students are being screwed by these laws. Regular in state residents, that are already forced to obtain a local state ID of some sort, aren't being put out at all. Now, illegal aliens would be that aren't able to obtain a state issued ID of some sort.

 

[xBiffx]

Why do you say that? If there is a civil war I'm pretty sure people will take sides. The military is made up of people who take orders. If they are given a order to defend the capital from xbiffx and his band of tea party rebels they will do it.

I'm pretty sure the capital police could take care of most any insurgency. They have full auto assault rifles.

I highly doubt anyone in uniform is going to give, let alone follow an order to shoot a fellow citizen, especially during a time of civil unrest/government outing. But assault rifles =! jet planes and tanks. Glad to see you change that based on your own false equivalency.

 

[Fern]

I notice you put the word 'free' in there. And now you are using it, too, Fern:

I don't know about your states but in CT a photo ID costs $22.50

Therefore, requiring someone to obtain a photo ID would be equivalent to levying a poll tax.

Yeah, I'm using it because I keep seeing that an ID for voting will be free.

If it's not free I understand the problem.

Fern

 

[dank69]

ITT: Small government conservatives that want the government to force everyone to obtain photo ID in order to vote.

 

[Yreka]

I notice you put the word 'free' in there. And now you are using it, too, Fern:

I don't know about your states but in CT a photo ID costs $22.50

Therefore, requiring someone to obtain a photo ID would be equivalent to levying a poll tax.

The one state I am aware of that requires ID implemented a program to waive this fee for low income residents. The proposals to enact voter ID requirements that I have seen have also included such a provision. I don't imagine the pro-ID side would have a huge issue with this, any proposal without it would be dead in the water for the reason you mention.

 

[JSt0rm]

I highly doubt anyone in uniform is going to give, let alone follow an order to shoot a fellow citizen, especially during a time of civil unrest/government outing. But assault rifles =! jet planes and tanks. Glad to see you change that based on your own false equivalency.

They dotn equal that. What I was saying is that the capital police would not need anything greater to stop a insurgency.

A thought just occurred to me. Maybe this is by design? The government wont need to use the military on the populace because the police can do the dirty work.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

ITT: Small government conservatives that want the government to force everyone to obtain photo ID in order to vote.

Who is it that wants an extranational organization with no legitimate authority to supersede our Constitution and tell us how to run our country? That's the point that seems to be lost in this discussion. One can argue about our laws but it is we and no one else who has the right to determine how we do things.

 

[QuantumPion]

When I hear people claiming that requiring an ID to vote amounts to voter suppression I feel like I've entered the twilight zone. That argument is just fucking insanity. You really have to be a bold-faced lying douchebag or one loony kookoo to honestly believe that.

 

[JSt0rm]

The one state I am aware of that requires ID implemented a program to waive this fee for low income residents. The proposals to enact voter ID requirements that I have seen have also included such a provision. I don't imagine the pro-ID side would have a huge issue with this, any proposal without it would be dead in the water for the reason you mention.

so because I make money i now have to pay a tax to vote?

 

[Texashiker]

Yeah, I'm using it because I keep seeing that an ID for voting will be free.

If it's not free I understand the problem.

Fern

That would fix the problem right there.

Instead of charging for a state ID, why not offer a free voter ID?

 

[xBiffx]

They dotn equal that. What I was saying is that the capital police would not need anything greater to stop a insurgency.

A thought just occurred to me. Maybe this is by design? The government wont need to use the military on the populace because the police can do the dirty work.

Perhaps that was the idea but doubtful. A handful of police even with automatic weapons isn't going to stop much for very long. Probably would be 100 to 1 or 1000 to 1 in the revolutionist's favor. Reloading is gonna be a real bitch.

 

[chucky2]

I really wonder how many people who have no need for an ID there really are in each of the states? I've got to think this should be a one time hassle type fix, where ongoing upkeep should be a very low cost overhead. Short of a national ID card, with each polling place having your picture to look up on their system, I'd think providing SSN + some type of official mailings (medical, payment, banking, etc) should do the trick.

Free National ID would just be so much easier and pretty much take away any voter issues from either side, plus, make it far easier for people within the US to vote anywhere they needed to.

As for absentee, secure web based system to go along with their new free National ID. Don't figure out to use it ahead of time? No problem! Next time you'll bother so you'll be able to vote.

Done. Forever.