NAACP ask UN to investigate US voting rights laws

[Texashiker]

I wonder how the US government feels about the UN being asked to investigate US voting rights laws.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/14/un-delves-into-us-voter-id-laws/

The United Nations Human Rights Council is investigating the issue of American election laws at its gathering on minority rights in Geneva, Switzerland.. This, despite the fact that some members of the council have only in the past several years allowed women to vote, and one member, Saudi Arabia, still bars women from the voting booth completely.

And why is the NAACP getting the UN involved?

Saudi Arabia talking about voting rights? That is laughable.

 

[xBiffx]

Screw the UN.

 

[Craig234]

What a great action.

The fact is, Republicans in several states have passed laws aimed to suppress votes.

This has resulted just recently in one state's Republican laws being overturned by a court as unconstitutional violations, and the Justice Department overturning Texas' laws.

An estimate 50 votes in Texas might have been fraudulent and prevented by the laws in Texas in the last decade; an estimate 800,000 voters would be blocked next election.

These are very targeted laws as well; minorities are much more likely than whites, for example, to lose the right to vote.

The UN countries can enforce the rules even if they don't have the same rights.

I assume their role is to investigate and report, and this should result in the correct accusations of the voter suppression that have been done. Way to go.

 

[xBiffx]

The fact is, Republicans in several states have passed laws aimed to suppress votes.

Flat out lie.

Also, the fact that you think this is a good thing tells me all I need to know.

 

[monovillage]

It's a great thing...........for Republicans. This should be a feature in every newscast as we follow the progress of the U.N. checking on the voting laws of the United States. Just the thing Obama wants to see in an election year.

 

[Texashiker]

This has resulted just recently in one state's Republican laws being overturned by a court as unconstitutional violations, and the Justice Department overturning Texas' laws.

You have to show ID when you buy a gun,
You have to show ID when you buy a bottle of whiskey (unless you look well over 21),
You have to show ID when you go to your bank,
You are supposed to show ID when you use a credit card,
but for some reason you do not have to show ID when you vote?

Figure that one out.

 

[Screech]

Flat out lie.

Hate to have to agree with craig but he's right here;

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/opinion/keeping-college-students-from-the-polls.html?_r=2&hp

it gets funnier when the republicans flat out tell people that voter suppression of democrats is the goal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8tqpBzLNzE&feature=player_embedded

That said, getting the UN involved is totally idiotic, both from a practical standpoint and from an election year standpoint.

 

[boochi]

The NAACP thinks that affirmative action should mean 2 votes for every black man.

 

[xBiffx]

Hate to have to agree with craig but he's right here;

The laws are aimed at fraud not suppressing votes. I can't argue that they might supress some votes but saying that the law is aimed at that is nothing more than a blatant lie. Sorry you got suckered.

I'm sure there are some Republicans who will say that they are trying to suppress democrat votes but do the drafters of the bills/laws say this is the reason for the law?

 

[dank69]

The laws are aimed at fraud not suppressing votes. I can't argue that they might supress some votes but saying that the law is aimed at that is nothing more than a blatant lie. Sorry you got suckered.

I'm sure there are some Republicans who will say that they are trying to suppress democrat votes but do the drafters of the bills/laws say this is the reason for the law?

And like Craig said, suppress 8,000,000 votes to stop 50 fraudulent votes, good plan. :thumbsup: Definitely not about suppressing votes.

 

[Texashiker]

Hate to have to agree with craig but he's right here;

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/opinion/keeping-college-students-from-the-polls.html?_r=2&hp

So states should allow temporary residents to vote?

Most states have laws saying that if you are in the state for X amount of time, you have to get your drivers license changed.

Its either you are a citizen of the state, or your a temporary resident - take your pick.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The laws are aimed at fraud not suppressing votes. I can't argue that they might supress some votes but saying that the law is aimed at that is nothing more than a blatant lie. Sorry you got suckered.

I'm sure there are some Republicans who will say that they are trying to suppress democrat votes but do the drafters of the bills/laws say this is the reason for the law?

Honest questions. How many votes are acceptable to be supressed to prevent just one fraudulent vote that photo ID would actually prevent? I ask as the ratio seems to be thousands to one.

 

[xBiffx]

Honest questions. How many votes are acceptable to be supressed to prevent just one fraudulent vote that photo ID would actually prevent? I ask as the ratio seems to be thousands to one.

Well, since suppression can be 100% prevented by presenting valid ID I would say none should be suppressed to prevent fraud. Everyone still has the right to vote, you just have to do something ahead of time to be sure you get to execute that right.

 

[HomerJS]

You have to show ID when you buy a gun,
You have to show ID when you buy a bottle of whiskey (unless you look well over 21),
You have to show ID when you go to your bank,
You are supposed to show ID when you use a credit card,
but for some reason you do not have to show ID when you vote?

Figure that one out.

None of those are rights

BTW - Why no interest in verifying the ID of absentee ballot signators? How do we know who filled them out?

 

[dank69]

Well, since suppression can be 100% prevented by presenting valid ID I would say none should be suppressed to prevent fraud. Everyone still has the right to vote, you just have to do something ahead of time to be sure you get to execute that right.

From the first paragraph of the article linked above:

Next fall, thousands of students on college campuses will attempt to register to vote and be turned away. Sorry, they will hear, you have an out-of-state driver’s license. Sorry, your college ID is not valid here. Sorry, we found out that you paid out-of-state tuition, so even though you do have a state driver’s license, you still can’t vote.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, since suppression can be 100% prevented by presenting valid ID I would say none should be suppressed to prevent fraud. Everyone still has the right to vote, you just have to do something ahead of time to be sure you get to execute that right.

That's absolutely absurd. It represents a burden to voting that is likely to fall disproportionately on populations that lean Democratic. By your logic nobody would be suppressed if they removed all the voting machines but one at the polling place so long as they eventually let everyone in line vote. Sure you might have to wait 9 hours, but your vote wouldn't be suppressed. Absolutely ridiculous.

By the way, this voter suppression is 100% on purpose. There is a reason why these legislatures pursue voter ID laws to combat in person voter fraud (despite a lack of evidence for it) while ignoring absentee ballot fraud (which there is evidence for). Guess which political party absentee ballots tend to favor... hahaha.

 

[boochi]

Guess which political party absentee ballots tend to favor... hahaha.

Democrats once again.

 

[Texashiker]

None of those are rights

Gun ownership is a right,
Access to wine or whiskey for religious services is a right,

 

[fskimospy]

Democrats once again.

Wrong.

 

[HumblePie]

So states should allow temporary residents to vote?

Most states have laws saying that if you are in the state for X amount of time, you have to get your drivers license changed.

Its either you are a citizen of the state, or your a temporary resident - take your pick.

Uh no. Military members do NOT have to get a new license every time they are forced to move for example. I joined the military in Texas, and was station in Colorado. I was able to keep my drivers license legally from Texas and use it in Colorado. I did not have to pay income tax, on military income that is, for the state of Colorado despite living there for 4 years. But since I was living there for 4 years I was legally able to vote for Colorado elections.


These laws would have prevented that for example. Not only for students but military members as well. If I have a valid ID issued by a state of any sort and can prove I'm living where I am, then I should be able to vote in the elections representing where I live.

 

[fskimospy]

Gun ownership is a right,
Access to wine or whiskey for religious services is a right,

You are right that gun ownership is a right, access to wine or whiskey not so much. (Employment Division v. Smith)

 

[ichy]

NAACP = National Association of Always Complaining People

 

[Texashiker]

You are right that gun ownership is a right, access to wine or whiskey not so much. (Employment Division v. Smith)

You are trying to compare peyote to wine and whiskey?

<facepalm>

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What a great action.

The fact is, Republicans in several states have passed laws aimed to suppress votes.

This has resulted just recently in one state's Republican laws being overturned by a court as unconstitutional violations, and the Justice Department overturning Texas' laws.

An estimate 50 votes in Texas might have been fraudulent and prevented by the laws in Texas in the last decade; an estimate 800,000 voters would be blocked next election.

These are very targeted laws as well; minorities are much more likely than whites, for example, to lose the right to vote.

The UN countries can enforce the rules even if they don't have the same rights.

I assume their role is to investigate and report, and this should result in the correct accusations of the voter suppression that have been done. Way to go.

This happens to be the United States of America and while you may not like it the validity of our laws are determined by whether they pass our Constitution, period. The UN and those who would surrender our sovereignty can go fuck themselves.

 

[fskimospy]

You are trying to compare peyote to wine and whiskey?

<facepalm>

I would like to hear why you believe they are different from a legal perspective.